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jaiiiii
Profile Joined December 2010
United States72 Posts
May 01 2011 19:20 GMT
#361
On May 02 2011 04:00 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:56 chenchen wrote:
On May 01 2011 19:10 LwReisen wrote:
On May 01 2011 18:51 teekesselchen wrote:
I think Broodwar skill really matters tremendously.
.


I stopped reading here.

I hate to break it to you, but...
+ Show Spoiler +
The wc3 players are outperforming the bw players at sc2 overall.
<--- WARNING: this may be percieved as a troll

Yes, MC is the best player in the world, but most of the rest of the top <insert arbitrary number here> ......

On May 01 2011 19:08 Hinanawi wrote:
I feel like Flash's talent would be wasted on SC2. Maybe it'll be a different story when HotS and LotV are out.


I feel you worded this badly.
What you were meant to say is: "Why would Flash change to sc2 and risk not being able to win when he can continue to earn a living playing BW"

Which is a completely valid point btw.


MVP, Nestea, Marineking, Supernova, Losira, July, TOP, Nada were all WC3 players weren't they?


Yeah, but clearly Thorzain, Kas, Hasuobs and Naniwa are better. Because, you know, TSL! (I also think that people like Bomber, Ryung and MMA are probably better than some of the names you listed.)


lolwut?
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:23:01
May 01 2011 19:21 GMT
#362
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:33 wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:33 Bobster wrote:
Fucking Kespa should just allow their players to choose instead of making adhesion contracts. >=(


Jaedong is obviously eager to come over.


On May 01 2011 20:25 Popss wrote:
Am I the only one who find this discussion somewhat funny since the statement that Flash would be good in SC2 is in my opinion one of the least controversial statements you can actually make.

And if you had actually read the thread, you won't find anyone disagreeing with said statement.

The discussion revolves around the question how good he'd be. And opinions range from dominating the scene (mostly stalwart BW fans looking to put down SC2), to among the top tier of players after a couple months of training (compromising fans) to good, but not great, ultimately forgettable (mostly SC2 fans looking to put down BW).

:p


How does KeSPA not allow progamers choose? Are you saying contracted BW players should be allowed to play SC2 instead because they might want to? For your infornation, the players who wanted to switch to SC2 already did that. ;;
The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.

Kespa is continuing to do its darndest to try and stem SC2's popularity. Scaring their players into staying with them or they'll get their license taking away for even trying their hand at SC2 is just one of those tactics.


Guemchi switched to SC2, then went back to BW. explain how Guemchi was able to avoid Kespa's wrath or are you just making stuff up?
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5544 Posts
May 01 2011 19:30 GMT
#363
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.


lol, they were not disallowed to play BW. Get a clue.

You do not re-sign your contract/depart from your team > you lose your progaming license (because only players on KeSPA teams can have one, others have a semi-progaming license) > you're not allowed to play in events that require a progaming license (PL, WL, OSL, MSL, etc.). Simple as that. ;;

Kespa is continuing to do its darndest to try and stem SC2's popularity. Scaring their players into staying with them or they'll get their license taken away for even trying their hand at SC2 is just one of those tactics.


Blizzard started it all, so blame them...
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:32:27
May 01 2011 19:31 GMT
#364
On May 02 2011 04:21 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:33 wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:33 Bobster wrote:
Fucking Kespa should just allow their players to choose instead of making adhesion contracts. >=(


Jaedong is obviously eager to come over.


On May 01 2011 20:25 Popss wrote:
Am I the only one who find this discussion somewhat funny since the statement that Flash would be good in SC2 is in my opinion one of the least controversial statements you can actually make.

And if you had actually read the thread, you won't find anyone disagreeing with said statement.

The discussion revolves around the question how good he'd be. And opinions range from dominating the scene (mostly stalwart BW fans looking to put down SC2), to among the top tier of players after a couple months of training (compromising fans) to good, but not great, ultimately forgettable (mostly SC2 fans looking to put down BW).

:p


How does KeSPA not allow progamers choose? Are you saying contracted BW players should be allowed to play SC2 instead because they might want to? For your infornation, the players who wanted to switch to SC2 already did that. ;;
The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.

Kespa is continuing to do its darndest to try and stem SC2's popularity. Scaring their players into staying with them or they'll get their license taking away for even trying their hand at SC2 is just one of those tactics.


Guemchi switched to SC2, then went back to BW. explain how Guemchi was able to avoid Kespa's wrath or are you just making stuff up?

I have no idea about Guemchi's case, I'm not aware of the technical details surrounding his BW -> SC2 -> BW switches.

Last I heard is that you get your Korean progamer license taken away by Kespa (i.e. have to hand it in beforehand) if you plan to play SC2. I think this is correct, yes?


What other reason would Kespa have for doing this other than creating another barrier for their BW players to switch? Seems very much in line with their previous tactics and considering the [legal] dispute between Kespa and Blizzard surrounding the SC2 launch.

But if there is another explanation for that, I'd love to hear it and be educated about it.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:32:58
May 01 2011 19:32 GMT
#365
nvm
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:37:31
May 01 2011 19:35 GMT
#366
On May 02 2011 04:30 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.


lol, they were not disallowed to play BW. Get a clue.

You do not re-sign your contract/depart from your team > you lose your progaming license (because only players on KeSPA teams can have one, others have a semi-progaming license) > you're not allowed to play in events that require a progaming license (PL, WL, OSL, MSL, etc.). Simple as that. ;;

So are you saying anyone can keep their progaming license while competing in SC2?
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
May 01 2011 19:42 GMT
#367
On May 01 2011 18:21 rift wrote:
Actual interview quotes from WCG 2010:

(Z)Jaedong
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
(T)Flash
"There is much talk in Europe that this may be the last final between you and Jaedong because of Starcraft 2’s strong advance. How does it feel to hear such a thing?
- There are plenty of opportunities to see us in Korea and it is definitely not the last chance to see us play against each other since we will continue to play Starcraft: BW for at least five more years. After WCG it's quiet for about a month so I will try to have some vacation."

But this was back in 2010, before sc2 came out. How about now? And why would flash say at least 5 more years? So we wont see flash or jaedong play until 2015? really?
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 01 2011 19:46 GMT
#368
They'll probably switch when they stop making insane money off of BW. Which wont be for years.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 01 2011 19:46 GMT
#369
Guys, gogo just watch some BroodWar. It is amazing.

If you just all argue-lovers follow BW scene and try at least a little to understand whats going on there, you'll understand why no one here needs to "switch" anywhere.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:48:47
May 01 2011 19:46 GMT
#370
On May 02 2011 04:42 DreamRaider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 18:21 rift wrote:
Actual interview quotes from WCG 2010:

(Z)Jaedong
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
(T)Flash
"There is much talk in Europe that this may be the last final between you and Jaedong because of Starcraft 2’s strong advance. How does it feel to hear such a thing?
- There are plenty of opportunities to see us in Korea and it is definitely not the last chance to see us play against each other since we will continue to play Starcraft: BW for at least five more years. After WCG it's quiet for about a month so I will try to have some vacation."

But this was back in 2010, before sc2 came out. How about now? And why would flash say at least 5 more years? So we wont see flash or jaedong play until 2015? really?

lol? WCG happened after sc2 came out.If say,sc2 surpassed BW after 5 years,JD and flash will still need to go for military etc, so we wont see them playing sc2 for quite a long time.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 01 2011 19:46 GMT
#371
On May 02 2011 04:42 DreamRaider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 18:21 rift wrote:
Actual interview quotes from WCG 2010:

(Z)Jaedong
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
(T)Flash
"There is much talk in Europe that this may be the last final between you and Jaedong because of Starcraft 2’s strong advance. How does it feel to hear such a thing?
- There are plenty of opportunities to see us in Korea and it is definitely not the last chance to see us play against each other since we will continue to play Starcraft: BW for at least five more years. After WCG it's quiet for about a month so I will try to have some vacation."

But this was back in 2010, before sc2 came out. How about now? And why would flash say at least 5 more years? So we wont see flash or jaedong play until 2015? really?

Probably because his current contract runs that long. At least that's the only explanation I can come up with for that statement.
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
May 01 2011 19:52 GMT
#372
I think Flash would switch to SC2 if he can play a special Quad starcraft game when u play 4 game of starcraft 2 vs another quad user at once, instead he will be bored ^^
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 19:58:04
May 01 2011 19:53 GMT
#373
On May 02 2011 04:35 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:30 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.


lol, they were not disallowed to play BW. Get a clue.

You do not re-sign your contract/depart from your team > you lose your progaming license (because only players on KeSPA teams can have one, others have a semi-progaming license) > you're not allowed to play in events that require a progaming license (PL, WL, OSL, MSL, etc.). Simple as that. ;;

So are you saying anyone can keep their progaming license while competing in SC2?


It's up to the team. WeMade FOX has two (three? does Soccer play SC2?) former WC3 progamers competing in SC2.

On May 02 2011 04:46 Bobster wrote:Probably because his current contract runs that long. At least that's the only explanation I can come up with for that statement.


Or how about: BW is currently the better spectator sport, is way more competitive (and progamers love competition by default), is more challenging than SC2, gives more real life fame and is way more profitable, especially when you're as good as Flash?

Makes more sense to me. ;;
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 01 2011 19:57 GMT
#374
Nevertheless, I think it would be interesting to see one or two show matches from the TBLS. Let them practice up during an off week, then play against a well-known SC2 player. No need to commit to SC2, especially for just one show match. The curious SC2 fans get to see how the current BW gods fare in a new game, and the BW fans won't fear anyone completely switching over to the "inferior" game.

Nada looked quite beastly in his showmatch against TLO back during IEM Cologne, even though he only played SC2 for a week or two and was then still on WeMade Fox's BW team. If the Blizzard vs Kespa bullshit wasn't happening, perhaps we might see some similar show matches.

Of course, we don't live in such a utopia...
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eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 20:03:39
May 01 2011 20:02 GMT
#375
On May 02 2011 04:53 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:46 Bobster wrote:Probably because his current contract runs that long. At least that's the only explanation I can come up with for that statement.


Or how about: BW is currently the better spectator sport, is way more competitive (and progamers love competition by default), is more challenging than SC2, gives more real life fame and is way more profitable, especially when you're as good as Flash?

Makes more sense to me. ;;


agreed. the only thing BW pros are jealous of is SC2's foreigner scene (international fans). but they said the same thing about WC3 and never switched.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 01 2011 20:04 GMT
#376
On May 01 2011 16:59 DreamRaider wrote:
i think they should ask when will players like jaedong or flash finally move over to sc2
I want to know what they think about sc2
Also where can i watch part 2 and 3 of this?

Is this what the sc2 subforum has come to? sitting around waiting for BW players to switch over?
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 01 2011 20:05 GMT
#377
On May 02 2011 04:57 eviltomahawk wrote:
Nevertheless, I think it would be interesting to see one or two show matches from the TBLS. Let them practice up during an off week, then play against a well-known SC2 player. No need to commit to SC2, especially for just one show match. The curious SC2 fans get to see how the current BW gods fare in a new game, and the BW fans won't fear anyone completely switching over to the "inferior" game.

Nada looked quite beastly in his showmatch against TLO back during IEM Cologne, even though he only played SC2 for a week or two and was then still on WeMade Fox's BW team. If the Blizzard vs Kespa bullshit wasn't happening, perhaps we might see some similar show matches.

Of course, we don't live in such a utopia...


Remember what Kespa did when NaDa played a showmatch at Gamescom while still a BW player?
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 20:11:21
May 01 2011 20:06 GMT
#378
On May 02 2011 04:53 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:35 Bobster wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:30 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.


lol, they were not disallowed to play BW. Get a clue.

You do not re-sign your contract/depart from your team > you lose your progaming license (because only players on KeSPA teams can have one, others have a semi-progaming license) > you're not allowed to play in events that require a progaming license (PL, WL, OSL, MSL, etc.). Simple as that. ;;

So are you saying anyone can keep their progaming license while competing in SC2?


It's up to the team. WeMade FOX has two (three? does Soccer play SC2?) former WC3 progamers competing in SC2.
Soccer made an application video for NASL, so it's pretty safe to say that he plays SC2.

None of the BW teams have SC2 teams, so I guess it is a problem with Kespa and the teams as well. Want to play SC2? You have to leave your team. Want to leave your team? You have to hand in your progaming license.

Pretty clever, actually.

On May 02 2011 05:05 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:57 eviltomahawk wrote:
Nevertheless, I think it would be interesting to see one or two show matches from the TBLS. Let them practice up during an off week, then play against a well-known SC2 player. No need to commit to SC2, especially for just one show match. The curious SC2 fans get to see how the current BW gods fare in a new game, and the BW fans won't fear anyone completely switching over to the "inferior" game.

Nada looked quite beastly in his showmatch against TLO back during IEM Cologne, even though he only played SC2 for a week or two and was then still on WeMade Fox's BW team. If the Blizzard vs Kespa bullshit wasn't happening, perhaps we might see some similar show matches.

Of course, we don't live in such a utopia...


Remember what Kespa did when NaDa played a showmatch at Gamescom while still a BW player?
What happened?


On May 02 2011 05:04 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 16:59 DreamRaider wrote:
i think they should ask when will players like jaedong or flash finally move over to sc2
I want to know what they think about sc2
Also where can i watch part 2 and 3 of this?

Is this what the sc2 subforum has come to? sitting around waiting for BW players to switch over?

Obvious troll bait is obvious. There's really no need for such antagonism and unfair generalization. We're all fans of StarCraft here.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
May 01 2011 20:11 GMT
#379
On May 02 2011 05:06 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 04:53 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:35 Bobster wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:30 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:13 Bobster wrote:The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.


lol, they were not disallowed to play BW. Get a clue.

You do not re-sign your contract/depart from your team > you lose your progaming license (because only players on KeSPA teams can have one, others have a semi-progaming license) > you're not allowed to play in events that require a progaming license (PL, WL, OSL, MSL, etc.). Simple as that. ;;

So are you saying anyone can keep their progaming license while competing in SC2?


It's up to the team. WeMade FOX has two (three? does Soccer play SC2?) former WC3 progamers competing in SC2.
Soccer made an application video for NASL, so it's pretty safe to say that he plays SC2.


Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:05 rift wrote:
On May 02 2011 04:57 eviltomahawk wrote:
Nevertheless, I think it would be interesting to see one or two show matches from the TBLS. Let them practice up during an off week, then play against a well-known SC2 player. No need to commit to SC2, especially for just one show match. The curious SC2 fans get to see how the current BW gods fare in a new game, and the BW fans won't fear anyone completely switching over to the "inferior" game.

Nada looked quite beastly in his showmatch against TLO back during IEM Cologne, even though he only played SC2 for a week or two and was then still on WeMade Fox's BW team. If the Blizzard vs Kespa bullshit wasn't happening, perhaps we might see some similar show matches.

Of course, we don't live in such a utopia...


Remember what Kespa did when NaDa played a showmatch at Gamescom while still a BW player?
What happened?


Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:04 moopie wrote:
On May 01 2011 16:59 DreamRaider wrote:
i think they should ask when will players like jaedong or flash finally move over to sc2
I want to know what they think about sc2
Also where can i watch part 2 and 3 of this?

Is this what the sc2 subforum has come to? sitting around waiting for BW players to switch over?

Obvious troll bait is obvious. There's really no need for such antagonism and unfair generalization here.

NaDa was playing the 3rd and final game vs TLO, and KesPa stopped him from playing any further.The match was cut short.
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
May 01 2011 20:12 GMT
#380
Just how the hell does kespa keep players in their grasp anyway? It's just a game thats not made by them, how can they be in a position to tell anyone they cant play it competitively? Someone should sue them
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