EPTKespa called someone at Gamescom in Germany and demanded NaDa stop playing. i think they said it was because someone in Korea was re-streaming it illegally.
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eggs
1011 Posts
Kespa called someone at Gamescom in Germany and demanded NaDa stop playing. i think they said it was because someone in Korea was re-streaming it illegally. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:02 eggs wrote: agreed. the only thing BW pros are jealous of is SC2's foreigner scene (international fans). but they said the same thing about WC3 and never switched. Difference is everyone knew WC3 was going to die at some point (and it is almost dead right now). On the other hand, SC2 is going to have momentum for a very long time to come. At some point Flash/Jaedong etc. will switch over to SC2. It could be that BW dies. It may just be because they aren't the best anymore and some new 17 year old kid is dominating. But at some point they will definately start playing sc2. IMO they will dominate this game. Not as much as they dominate BW because the skill ceiling here is much lower. But they will both be awesome SC2 players. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19319 Posts
On April 30 2011 11:01 On_Slaught wrote: Would have to agree with this. Anybody who has seen a FPVOD of Jaedong or Flash can see they are on a different level than even players like MVP (best bw player to come to sc2). And here I thought July was the best from BW. If BW does die off, then Please taekbangleesang go dominate SC2. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:12 Niruz wrote: Just how the hell does kespa keep players in their grasp anyway? It's just a game thats not made by them, how can they be in a position to tell anyone they cant play it competitively? Someone should sue them It's not just some random dudes in suits, it's the organizational body which authorizes events, players, and teams as "official", and it's ruled by the huge corporate sponsors which maintain the progaming teams. Anyone who leaves kespa will probably just lose their sponsor and they won't have the ability to participate in proleague or either individual league. The power works basically the same way your employer's power works. He writes your check. You do what he says. | ||
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starsucks
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
DoomsVille wrote: Not as much as they dominate BW because the skill ceiling here is much lower. But they will both be awesome SC2 players. Really presumptious statement. The skill required to be number one in BW a year in was exponentially lower than the skill possessed by Jaedong/Flash now. Why would you presume the same won't happen in SC2? There's no player in the world right now with flawless macro or even close, as the players practice more and more eventually people will get closer to that level of perfection and the skill cap rises. For me every single current Code S player (yes even Rain) would easilly win the GSL Open 1 which Fruitdealer won, the standard has already improved massively, and we've only had one year, let's see where the standard is in five years. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5768 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:06 Bobster wrote:Soccer made an application video for NASL, so it's pretty safe to say that he plays SC2. None of the BW teams have SC2 teams, so I guess it is a problem with Kespa and the teams as well. Want to play SC2? You have to leave your team. Want to leave your team? You have to hand in your progaming license. Pretty clever, actually. WeMade FOX is a BW team and it does have an SC2 line-up. No offence, but do you even think before you post? I just told you a BW team has SC2 players and you tell me none do. ;/ As for handing in your progaming license - it has always been like that or at least for several years. Stop attributing everything to your shiny SC2, not everything revolves around it, especially not the BW scene in Korea. You are not given a progaming license unless you're drafted by a progaming team. If you leave your team, you're left with a semi-progaming license. Nothing has changed since the announcement of SC2. Do you honestly expect KeSPA to allow their players to waste their time competing in SC2, while Blizzard is actively trying to kill the BW scene in Korea? "Yay, let's support our enemy!" Sounds like a plan to me... What happened? ESL made a deal with WeMade FOX that there's not gonna be any restreams in Korea (due to the KeSPA-Blizzard issue) and they couldn't keep their part of the agreement. WeMade made NaDa leave the game. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
I guess it's possible that the sponsorship rumors weren't true. People were talking about it as a past event when there was talk of KT sponsoring GSL and the World Championship. | ||
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RxBorG
United States505 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:19 Blasphemi wrote: Really presumptious statement. The skill required to be number one in BW a year in was exponentially lower than the skill possessed by Jaedong/Flash now. Why would you presume the same won't happen in SC2? There's no player in the world right now with flawless macro or even close, as the players practice more and more eventually people will get closer to that level of perfection and the skill cap rises. For me every single current Code S player (yes even Rain) would easilly win the GSL Open 1 which Fruitdealer won, the standard has already improved massively, and we've only had one year, let's see where the standard is in five years. because SC2 was developed specifically to lower the skill ceiling and encourage 1-base play. it'll take a drastic shift in developer philosophy with the expansions to change this. | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:19 starsucks wrote: Flash absolutely has the potential to do well in SC2. With some training he could get diamond after a week and maybe even masters after a month with hard training. wtf? is this a troll post? i got to masters after 3 weeks of playing not to hard man... flash can get masters in 5 hours | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:23 maybenexttime wrote: WeMade FOX is a BW team and it does have an SC2 line-up. No offence, but do you even think before you post? I just told you a BW team has SC2 players and you tell me none do. ;/ As for handing in your progaming license - it has always been like that or at least for several years. Stop attributing everything to your shiny SC2, not everything revolves around it, especially not the BW scene in Korea. You are not given a progaming license unless you're drafted by a progaming team. If you leave your team, you're left with a semi-progaming license. Nothing has changed since the announcement of SC2. Do you honestly expect KeSPA to allow their players to waste their time competing in SC2, while Blizzard is actively trying to kill the BW scene in Korea? "Yay, let's support our enemy!" Sounds like a plan to me... I worded that badly, I meant that none of the BW players on WeMade FOX are the ones who switched to SC2. Their SC2 team is made up entirely of WC3 players. Even then, they seem to be the singular exception, not the rule. I honestly have to say that I do not completely understand the situation and the politics behind it. And well, if you say nothing's changed and the rules have always been this way, and not in response to SC2 - that just means that there was something wrong with the rules all along, in my opinion. Things should have changed, and things should be different now that SC2 is there. I always think that the players and their needs should be prioritised, but I don't get that impression from Kespa's prohibitive and restricting system. But it probably is as you say - Kespa really does think of Blizzard as their enemy, and that does explain about their stance on SC2 and preventing players from switching. edit: On May 02 2011 05:29 Turgid wrote: It is kind of interesting that WeMade is allowed to have an SC2 team, and it still shares the same name as their BW squad. Wasn't there some drama when a Kespa member/subsidiary tried to sponsor a GSL, and Kespa wouldn't let them do it? And yet here's WeMade FOX in SC2, and I think Gom is even owned by CJ Media or something. I feel like I don't fully understand the politics of the situation. Yeah, that's basically how I feel. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
DoomsVille wrote: Because SC2 was developed specifically to lower the skill ceiling and encourage 1-base play. it'll take a drastic shift in developer philosophy with the expansions to change this. Pure speculation. There's been loads of great macro games recently and it seems to me like there's less and less one base games now than six months ago. Blizzard removing maps like Steppes from the pool and adding Taldarim suggests they're encouraging longer and macro based games. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:30 koolaid1990 wrote: wtf? is this a troll post? i got to masters after 3 weeks of playing not to hard man... flash can get masters in 5 hours it better be, would perhaps be realistic if you forced him to play feet only. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:30 koolaid1990 wrote: It's obvious troll bait, just ignore.wtf? is this a troll post? i got to masters after 3 weeks of playing not to hard man... flash can get masters in 5 hours | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:36 Blasphemi wrote: Pure speculation. There's been loads of great macro games recently and it seems to me like there's less and less one base games now than six months ago. Blizzard removing maps like Steppes from the pool and adding Taldarim suggests they're encouraging longer and macro based games. Well, it seems that the game was designed to be "faster". I think there were interviews about that and you can see some aspects of the game design encourage shorter games(for instance expansions aren't as good in many situations because of the way mineral saturation works). The community kinda rebelled against it and the map changes were made as a result of that, but it's hard to say how far they're willing to go. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:30 eggs wrote: because SC2 was developed specifically to lower the skill ceiling and encourage 1-base play. it'll take a drastic shift in developer philosophy with the expansions to change this. And SC1 was developed to encourage Korean progamers to play it 12 hours a day and provide macro matches with insane amounts of multitasking? (Hint: No.) | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:30 koolaid1990 wrote: wtf? is this a troll post? i got to masters after 3 weeks of playing not to hard man... flash can get masters in 5 hours More like 5 games lol. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:29 Turgid wrote: It is kind of interesting that WeMade is allowed to have an SC2 team, and it still shares the same name as their BW squad. Wasn't there some drama when a Kespa member/subsidiary tried to sponsor a GSL, and Kespa wouldn't let them do it? And yet here's WeMade FOX in SC2, and I think Gom is even owned by CJ Media or something. I feel like I don't fully understand the politics of the situation. I guess it's possible that the sponsorship rumors weren't true. People were talking about it as a past event when there was talk of KT sponsoring GSL and the World Championship. Technically, WeMade Fox's SC2 team is completely comprised of WC3 players, who aren't really bound to KeSPA as much as the BW players are since Blizzard has a much legal greater control over the WC3 scene. Since there aren't really any major KeSPA-sanctioned WC3 competitions, the WC3 players are pretty much free to do anything without any fear of being booted out of a major Korean tournament or team league, which are pretty much nonexistent right now since OGN/MBC no longer have a WC3 league and GOM is focusing entirely on SC2. Also, I think there have been at least 2 instances of Korean companies backing out of GSL sponsorship deals due to pressure from their KeSPA-affiliated parent companies. I think subsidiaries of SKT and KT were rumored to have attempted sponsorship deals but backed out before anything really solidified. | ||
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