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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On May 02 2011 02:11 Anzekay wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Legionnaire be considered 'pro' since he participated in the 2004 Proleague? Yea and Elky, Grrrr and Assem too ( if i remember correctly ) but they are all retired for a very long time whereas White-Ra, Tyler, Dimaga etc... are still active. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On April 30 2011 11:05 DarthXX wrote: Nada/July? But yeah its a real no brainer if you had to pick someone from BW to do well in SC2 it would be Flash or JD. Well I guess he meant at the time of switching. Neither NaDa or July was in shape when SC2 came out. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 01 2011 20:42 XenOsky- wrote: there was no "bw pros" outside of korea. the only foreigner BW pro was IdrA, and "a handul of active bw pros" is wrong, cause sen, tyler, dimaga, ret, white-ra were not PRO in bw, just really good amateurs... nor ret or tyler got their progamer licence. even if they were living at a pro house, didn't get to be official pro gamers. And Idra was the worst progamer in Korea. The immensity of the skill gaps between different kinds of players(high level korean amateurs versus b-team progamers, b-teamers versus a-teamers, normal a-teamers versus s-class, different time periods etc) makes it so hard to judge anything like whether WC3 players are outperforming SC2 players. I think the argument is pretty pointless though. Get a guy who's good at RTS games, stick him in SC2, he'll probably do well. He may need more or less adjustment depending on how similar the game he's coming from is to SC2, but it's not like microing a Blademaster curses you to never consistently produce workers in all your life. If you have talent and you spend time and effort to become a good SC2 player, why wouldn't you become one, regardless of where you come from? And since it's still coming up: Even July and Nada in their primes were not objectively as skilled as a modern high level BW pro. Everyone is so good now, it's crazy. | ||
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Pizza_man
20 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:23 darthfoley wrote: I'm not really too familiar with the BW scene, but do people in general think that the "big4" will eventually switch over to SC2? Have the players themselves said anything on the subject? It'd be huge if they did, but isn't BW still alive and kicking in SK? Seems like most people think that if it does happen(which is up in the air, maybe even kind of unlikely) it won't be really soon. Jaedong said back in like October that he thinks he'll switch one day, when the time is right, and that part of the reason for that was wanting to participate in a more international community. Who knows if he's ever going to, though. He said it could be tomorrow, or it could be years, and it's not like anyone can hold him to it. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Jaedong is obviously eager to come over. On May 01 2011 20:25 Popss wrote: Am I the only one who find this discussion somewhat funny since the statement that Flash would be good in SC2 is in my opinion one of the least controversial statements you can actually make. And if you had actually read the thread, you won't find anyone disagreeing with said statement. The discussion revolves around the question how good he'd be. And opinions range from dominating the scene (mostly stalwart BW fans looking to put down SC2), to among the top tier of players after a couple months of training (compromising fans) to good, but not great, ultimately forgettable (mostly SC2 fans looking to put down BW). :p | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
On April 30 2011 10:54 Nik0 wrote: Thats a really bold statement by MC. Im not sure if theres sarcasm in your statement or not. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:09 Pizza_man wrote: Absolutely, It's obvious true that SC1 and SC2 are different game. But it doesn't mean there isn't any connection between them. Anyway, Switch to SC2 gonna be inevitable choice for Big4 (Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Bisu) including every BW players if they want more life as progamer, Because SC2 needs less physical movement than BW. So, if they'll have passion for game until they take switch, we can watch how BW player's talent (strategy, tactics, control, insight for opponent's mind state and so on...) gonna work on SC2. You're talking as if switching to SC2 was some kind of a necessity. BW is way better established in Korea than SC2. SC2 players should stop talking about BW progamers switching to SC2. It's getting really annoying. On May 02 2011 03:33 Bobster wrote: Fucking Kespa should just allow their players to choose instead of making adhesion contracts. >=( Jaedong is obviously eager to come over. And if you had actually read the thread, you won't find anyone disagreeing with said statement. The discussion revolves around the question how good he'd be. And opinions range from dominating the scene (mostly stalwart BW fans looking to put down SC2), to among the top tier of players after a couple months of training (compromising fans) to good, but not great, ultimately forgettable (mostly SC2 fans looking to put down BW). :p How does KeSPA not allow progamers choose? Are you saying contracted BW players should be allowed to play SC2 instead because they might want to? For your infornation, the players who wanted to switch to SC2 already did that. ;; | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:37 DyEnasTy wrote: Im not sure if theres sarcasm in your statement or not. Pretty obviously sarcasm. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On May 02 2011 02:11 Anzekay wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Legionnaire be considered 'pro' since he participated in the 2004 Proleague?  Legionnaire, GiYom,  Assem, IdrA & Rekrul are the only foreign progamers... the ones before them i consider amateurs, cause there was no real pro-gaming scene.edit: ElkY | ||
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LastMan
90 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 01 2011 12:40 Antisocialmunky wrote: I wonder if Savior still mains zerg in SCII? Savior plays BW still. People were not happy about it though. Also i doubt JD is eager to go over at all, he just gave a friendly answer to a question. Otherwise he just would switch wouldn't he. Saying it's somehow KeSPA's fault is retarded. Damn his team for giving him a 6 figure contract! | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:50 LastMan wrote: Draco? didn't get pro-gamer licence (mb Sparkyz gave him one??). even if they did, he was in korea for a really short period of time. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On May 01 2011 19:10 LwReisen wrote: I stopped reading here. I hate to break it to you, but... + Show Spoiler + The wc3 players are outperforming the bw players at sc2 overall. Yes, MC is the best player in the world, but most of the rest of the top <insert arbitrary number here> ...... I feel you worded this badly. What you were meant to say is: "Why would Flash change to sc2 and risk not being able to win when he can continue to earn a living playing BW" Which is a completely valid point btw. MVP, Nestea, Marineking, Supernova, Losira, July, TOP, Nada were all WC3 players weren't they? | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:56 chenchen wrote: MVP, Nestea, Marineking, Supernova, Losira, July, TOP, Nada were all WC3 players weren't they? Yeah, but clearly Thorzain, Kas, Hasuobs and Naniwa are better. Because, you know, TSL! (I also think that people like Bomber, Ryung and MMA are probably better than some of the names you listed.) On May 01 2011 19:44 rauk wrote: it's got nothing to do with war3 or bw players being inherently better than each other. in the foreign scene, war3 was much larger than bw and you could actually be "pro." all the foreign bw players were amateur. now look at korea; their bw scene is magnitudes larger than the war3 scene, so it makes sense that there will be a lot more good bw pros than war3 pros just because there's a much deeper talent pool. Yes, of course, however, the fact is that when we look at the overall (lately this hasn't been the case) tournament results, even in the foreigner scene, BW players have been more succesful. Feel free to prove me wrong on this. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:56 chenchen wrote: MVP, Nestea, Marineking, Supernova, Losira, July, TOP, Nada were all WC3 players weren't they? For me, Mvp alone is proof enough that sc1's top tier would destroy this game if they came over. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 02 2011 04:01 rysecake wrote: For me, MVP  Alone is proof enough that sc1's top tier would destroy this game if they came over. It's even more interesting when you compare http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP Flash | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
Indeed, but the comparison was sc1 a-teamer haha. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 03:33 wrote: The players who switched over to SC2 were disallowed by Kespa to play BW, that's what I meant.How does KeSPA not allow progamers choose? Are you saying contracted BW players should be allowed to play SC2 instead because they might want to? For your infornation, the players who wanted to switch to SC2 already did that. ;; Kespa is continuing to do its darndest to try and stem SC2's popularity. Scaring their players into staying with them or they'll get their license taken away for even trying their hand at SC2 is just one of those tactics. | ||
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