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On May 01 2011 15:52 mytent wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 12:40 Nayl wrote:
People seem to be overestimating MvP's abilities in BW. Stars Terrans have always been butt of joke probably even more so than T1 zergs.
I would say Nada and MvP are about on equal level.
And I think I agree with people saying Flash wouldn't show us anything really new. He'd just execute what we have got going much better than everyone else. this. it's just a mechanics advantage and RTS familiarity that you'd have transferring over. not innate SC2 skills -_- seriously lol ppeople dont think at all...
Heh, so the most talented RTS player would not show anything innovative while some comparatively subpar players do that quite frequently in SC2? ;p
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On May 01 2011 15:52 mytent wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 12:40 Nayl wrote:
People seem to be overestimating MvP's abilities in BW. Stars Terrans have always been butt of joke probably even more so than T1 zergs.
I would say Nada and MvP are about on equal level.
And I think I agree with people saying Flash wouldn't show us anything really new. He'd just execute what we have got going much better than everyone else. this. it's just a mechanics advantage and RTS familiarity that you'd have transferring over. not innate SC2 skills -_- seriously lol ppeople dont think at all...
According to bonjwas Nayl and mytent, all the secrets of starcraft 2 have already been discovered! Innate starcraft skills don't exist, which is why counterstrike progamers have been doing so well in GSL.
A wise man once said "ppeople dont think at all"
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i think they should ask when will players like jaedong or flash finally move over to sc2
I want to know what they think about sc2 
Also where can i watch part 2 and 3 of this?
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On May 01 2011 16:59 DreamRaider wrote:i think they should ask when will players like jaedong or flash finally move over to sc2 I want to know what they think about sc2 Also where can i watch part 2 and 3 of this?
Realistically, they will switch over when SC2 overtakes BW in Korea.
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On May 01 2011 15:46 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 15:28 rysecake wrote:
How many people here just watched Flash's game against Movie and can say with a straight face that he wouldn't own up sc2...lol man, Flash is so freakin huge and influential right now. A decision to move to SC2 could literally mean thousands of new fans switching over from BW to either watch their favourite terran, or realise that the top players in the world are finally moving to SC2. I personally hope he switches, as i would much rather see SC2 bloom and prosper even more brightly than SC1 did!
It will not be impressive to see his magic instant army anymore.
You know, when the commentator follows Flash's dropships/vultures/MM group around the map for a while, then they tragically die, zooms back into his base and suddenly the US Army has been created and is good to go.
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On April 30 2011 21:40 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 21:33 Garmer wrote:
has more accomplishments because tthese are other times, with more perhaps type of tournament, dunno now, but i think if boxer nada or july were still 18 eyars old, they could match him without problem
the age play a fundamental role here... No it doesn't play a fundamental role the players from now are just a lot better than the players 10 years ago. Just look at Jaedong he is nearing retirement age ( 24 I think? ) but still tearing it up.
no jaedong have 20 now, so i'm right, the age play a fundamental role in broodwar
when you are 18-20 years old it's easy to being good, i want to see jeadong and flash when they reach 25-30 years, what they can do....
go watch the awesome micro of boxer when he was 20, or the perfect nada macro when he was 20, or july muta micro...your underestimate these legend, by saying that flash could crush them easily if they still had 18-20 years
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its 100% certain that flash at age 18 is better than nada/boxer/july at any age
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On May 01 2011 17:57 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 21:40 RvB wrote:On April 30 2011 21:33 Garmer wrote:
has more accomplishments because tthese are other times, with more perhaps type of tournament, dunno now, but i think if boxer nada or july were still 18 eyars old, they could match him without problem
the age play a fundamental role here... No it doesn't play a fundamental role the players from now are just a lot better than the players 10 years ago. Just look at Jaedong he is nearing retirement age ( 24 I think? ) but still tearing it up. no jaedong have 20 now, so i'm right, the age play a fundamental role in broodwar when you are 18-20 years old it's easy to being good, i want to see jeadong and flash when they reach 25-30 years, what they can do.... go watch the awesome micro of boxer when he was 20, or the perfect nada macro when he was 20, or july muta micro...your underestimate these legend, by saying that flash could crush them easily if they still had 18-20 years
i've been watching pro broodwar since 2003, and i have to say that i've never seen someone as dominant as flash... not even savior, not even Nada or boxer himself...
boxer was known for his strategyc plays and micro...
but geez... FlaSh's strategys are just, on a whole new level... i mean ...perfect whraith harrass into BC's...
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On May 01 2011 18:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
its 100% certain that flash at age 18 is better than nada/boxer/july at any age
lol no, you cant' be 100% sure, If they were born 18 years ago, how can you be sure that they will lose 100% to flash?...this is stupid
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Actual interview quotes from WCG 2010:
 Jaedong
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
 Flash
"There is much talk in Europe that this may be the last final between you and Jaedong because of Starcraft 2’s strong advance. How does it feel to hear such a thing?
- There are plenty of opportunities to see us in Korea and it is definitely not the last chance to see us play against each other since we will continue to play Starcraft: BW for at least five more years. After WCG it's quiet for about a month so I will try to have some vacation."
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So many people here are stating that Flash, JD, etc. would automatically be "elite" if they switched to sc2.
That belief is sorely misplaced.
I'd post why, but it'd just get me a warning and possibly a tempban.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 01 2011 18:19 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 18:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
its 100% certain that flash at age 18 is better than nada/boxer/july at any age lol no, you cant' be 100% sure, If they were born 18 years ago, how can you be sure that they will lose 100% to flash?...this is stupid
Because some of us have actually seen these guys play and not only heard the stories. Boxer is God and Nada is the greatest ever but Flash now is much, much better than they ever were and if you don't understand this, it only shows that you haven't followed BW much.
On May 01 2011 18:21 LwReisen wrote:
So many people here are stating that Flash, JD, etc. would automatically be "elite" if they switched to sc2.
That belief is sorely misplaced.
I'd post why, but it'd just get me a warning and possibly a tempban.
In other words, you'd post something stupid because that is how you get warnings and tempbans. Well played.
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On May 01 2011 18:21 LwReisen wrote:
So many people here are stating that Flash, JD, etc. would automatically be "elite" if they switched to sc2.
That belief is sorely misplaced.
I'd post why, but it'd just get me a warning and possibly a tempban.
Idra, Jinro, july, nada, huk, boxer, mc, fruitdealer, and many more, were not even close to be at flash's and jd's level of play, but they are top at sc2...
not misplaced at all
On May 01 2011 18:24 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 18:19 Garmer wrote:On May 01 2011 18:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
its 100% certain that flash at age 18 is better than nada/boxer/july at any age lol no, you cant' be 100% sure, If they were born 18 years ago, how can you be sure that they will lose 100% to flash?...this is stupid Because some of us have actually seen these guys play and not only heard the stories. Boxer is God and Nada is the greatest ever but Flash now is much, much better than they ever were and if you don't understand this, it only shows that you haven't followed BW much.
nuff said btw, FlaSh is god...
boxer is the Emperor >.<...
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sry but i do believe that flash isn't much better than these legends
and no, i'm not only heard the stories, i have watch all of them
i'm done with this.
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On May 01 2011 18:25 XenOsky- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 18:21 LwReisen wrote:
So many people here are stating that Flash, JD, etc. would automatically be "elite" if they switched to sc2.
That belief is sorely misplaced.
I'd post why, but it'd just get me a warning and possibly a tempban. Idra, Jinro, july, nada, huk, boxer, mc, fruitdealer, and many more, were not even close to be at flash's and jd's level of play, but they are top at sc2... not misplaced at all
I wouldn't call any of the bolded ones "elite"...
Honestly. Idra has fallen well short of the expectations the community has placed on him, which by definition means he's nowhere near elite - he's not even the best Zerg in his own country (arguably)
Jinro and HuK are rated highly because they're Code S. Both tend to struggle in foreigner tournaments. HuK won a MLG that had 32 players in an overall talent pool that would be lucky to be a fifth as good as what was in the most recent MLG - so you can essentially throw that out; at least Jinro's MLG win had 128 players.
Jinro is much, much closer to elite status than HuK.
People rate BoxeR and NaDa highly because of their BW achievements, not because of their SC2 achievements; they're in the same bracket as Idra.
MC = best player in the world. Undeniable. Even if he does seem to be slumping right now.
July is an excellent zerg and him coming over has made a huge impact.
FruitDealer won the first GSL, and since then I don't know a great deal about him so I'll give you this one.
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On May 01 2011 18:19 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 18:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:
its 100% certain that flash at age 18 is better than nada/boxer/july at any age lol no, you cant' be 100% sure, If they were born 18 years ago, how can you be sure that they will lose 100% to flash?...this is stupid
so what you are saying is that if flash was born in the same period as boxer, boxer would be better?
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On May 01 2011 18:37 Garmer wrote:
sry but i do believe that flash isn't much better than these legends
and no, i'm not only heard the stories, i have watch all of them
i'm done with this.
So you're saying people 10 years after Boxer's prime never got ANY better? There is a HUGE skill difference from Boxer's era and right now.
Even in the interviews Boxer stated he was much better then than when he was in his prime.
I'm not sure how you can watch Flash play and say he would lose to anyone consistently.
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On May 01 2011 18:37 Garmer wrote:
sry but i do believe that flash isn't much better than these legends
and no, i'm not only heard the stories, i have watch all of them
i'm done with this.
Why do you keep posting?
Boxer in his prime was microing a drop ship with 2 tanks in it while floating on 2k minerals. It was fucking amazing for its time, but that's not the point.
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I think Broodwar skill really matters tremendously.
In Europe and the US, we see former BW players pretty much on par with former WC3 and other RTS players (even top class WC3 players such as Lyn, Grubby, Moon don't exceed that level).
But in Korea where the BW players were so much ahead of the rest of the world, we see former not-really-top BW players (I mean cmon, Boxer and NaDa and others had their best days behind them already, they were not top class anymore) dominating and probably beeing stronger than the rest of the world, again: MC, July, MVP.
Those players who were best in BW when SC2 came out didn't even switch, but some of the players on the level right after them. And those are ahead in SC2 now. I think that makes it extremely likely that if the elite of broodwar would switch, they would be absurdly good in SC2, too.
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Longest and worst digression of a thread ever. It is poorly named, but the point of the thread is MC's perspective. Seriously though, I can't even watch the interview because of the shaking. They need to use a tripod and not put him in front of a window.
MC didn't just point out Flash, he basically said any of the top bw progamers should be able to do well because they know how to be professionals in games and used Flash and JD as examples.
It's really still too early to talk about anything with certainty in SC2 without it being slightly proven or shown in games/results. SC2 is so volatile as a game still. Timings and new builds are too strong. It's incredible enough that players like MC and MVP have even more than one gsl win. Skill wise, I'd put other players up there with them, but they haven't gotten as lucky and haven't been able to adjust as well with the changes in the game.
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