EPTMC: "[Flash] would definitely do well in SC2" - Page 14
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doihy
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:36 Bobster wrote: I think a much more sensible statement to make would be that BW is dead outside of Korea... and a subforum on TL. >_> The western scene has basically vanished/completely transferred over to SC2. SC2 exposure is at an all time high right now and shows no sign of slowing down anytime soon. Just take a look at the streams going on at any one time on TL. Over 60 streams open - 55 are SC2 (with ~9000 viewers total), 5 are BW (with ~60 viewers total) - and this is the headquarters of BW outside of Korea. But obviously, it's understandable from the BW players' kind of view. Why give up your job and your livelihood when you don't even know whether you will make it to the top in SC2? It's a risk that not many are willing to take - and understandably so. Here's the thing. You said yourself that TL is pretty much the headquarters for SC2 outside. So if you add up all the viewers on TL which should be pretty close to all the viewers in the world outside of Korea, it's still only like 10,000 for a nice event, maybe 50,000 for something awesome like TSL3. Korea alone has more viewers for BW than that. So if you look at absolute popularity of BW vs SC2 in the entire world, I think BW is still more popular, as an eSport. Obviously if you included all the people who played SC2 but didn't watch pro games, SC2 would be more popular though. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:02 doihy wrote: How can you just assume if Flash switched over he would show Terrans how to actually play? Have you considered that Starcraft 2 has already reached its limit? That's be pretty sad for SC2 if it has already reached its limit... | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On April 30 2011 10:51 MadCatZ wrote: quite debatable at this point. he's def great 1)but he has flaws in his gameplay 2)and his mental mindset (1+2 go together, compliments of each other. 2 effects 1) Being the best doesn't mean he is perfect. He is the closest thing to perfect in sc2 right now, making him the best. I'm pretty sure that this point is not even debatable at this time. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
-When MC knew he would win the GSL. what? this doesnt make sense.. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote: That's be pretty sad for SC2 if it has already reached its limit... First off, what makes you think that he would stick with terran? Maybe he would like the zerg play style more. Secondly, the game has definitely not reached its limit... It has only been out for a year, BW is still changing and it's a 12 year old game. | ||
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xxxxxxb
155 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:20 Keone wrote: MVP was a solid A-teamer when SC2 came out. At that moment in time, MVP could have beaten Nada/July/Boxer around the block with a fraction of his skills. Just wanted to add something: He was a woongjin terran. If he stayed on bw, with really and light on their line up, he would probably be an a-teamer on the house chores squad. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Allscorpion
United Kingdom319 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5768 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:46 Gann1 wrote: but he beat flash once! I bet MC shudders at the thought of sSak switching to SC2. He also beat Flash.  Ssak for SC2 Bonjwa! | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:08 GreEny K wrote: First off, what makes you think that he would stick with terran? Maybe he would like the zerg play style more. Secondly, the game has definitely not reached its limit... It has only been out for a year, BW is still changing and it's a 12 year old game. Of course not, but BW and SC2 are entirely different games. People going into SC2 already had the accumlated knowledge of BW and SC2 undoubtedly has a lower skill ceiling. Yeah, we haven't seen every strategy yet, but it won't take anywhere near 12 years before the game is figured out. | ||
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lkjewq
United States132 Posts
the interview is good though. | ||
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ploy
United States416 Posts
On May 01 2011 03:03 hmunkey wrote: Of course not, but BW and SC2 are entirely different games. People going into SC2 already had the accumlated knowledge of BW and SC2 undoubtedly has a lower skill ceiling. Yeah, we haven't seen every strategy yet, but it won't take anywhere near 12 years before the game is figured out. Starcraft 1 had a lower skill ceiling than warcraft, so warcraft must have been the superior game. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:28 xxxxxxb wrote: Just wanted to add something: He was a woongjin terran. If he stayed on bw, with really and light on their line up, he would probably be an a-teamer on the house chores squad. LOL that's totally true. MVP was a woongjin Terran. The only thing worse than a woongjin Terran is an SKT Zerg - oh... wait  Nvm, woongjin Terrans are the worst stigma in the whole of BW. And MVP wouldn't even be their first-choice Terran if he was still playing BW. No disrespect to him as a great SC2 player, but this should just bring a little perspective. At least MVP was still a lot better at BW than MC, aka emotioneless  Flounder fish who had one official win ever in his entire BW career. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 01 2011 03:03 hmunkey wrote: Of course not, but BW and SC2 are entirely different games. People going into SC2 already had the accumlated knowledge of BW and SC2 undoubtedly has a lower skill ceiling. Yeah, we haven't seen every strategy yet, but it won't take anywhere near 12 years before the game is figured out. The metagame only needs to last until the next expansion pack. With tons of potential patches and stuff being added in the expansions, Blizzard has plenty of options to shake up the metagame if it ever stagnates. I don't think the clock for figuring out the SC2 metagame will start until the last big balance patch of the last expansion is released. Until then, it's hard to fully figure out the game when anything can change in the next patch or expansion. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
The mixed reaction from non-BW followers or those who do not follow closely are somewhere between hesitated acceptance to "MVP was bonjwa in BW, he took a single game off Flash in a BO5 and reached MSL RO8 in his career. Your assumptions are unfounded". The truth is that the current top tier of Korean SC2 is almost exclusively composed by ex-BW B-teamers who were not even good enough to qualify for Proleague lineup such as MKP and MC, ex-BW players who once graced the Proleague lineup in the ancient past with very little success under their name such as Sangho and NesTea, famous players who can no longer stay competitive in BW (Boxer, Nada and July), and MVP. MVP is the only BW player who switched when he was still considered as an A-teamer, despite his reputation in BW as an infamous "Woongjin Terran" - the weakest Terran lineup in history. If MVP still stayed in Woongjin, he would not even be on the lineup today as Woongjin has acquired Really and Light. I once again bring this interview to your attention: - If you can go back to your prime do you think you can win? ▲ Boxer: That is just a thought. Its more of an excuse if I say stuff like that (laughs). If 2 players play extremely well the game can be the best game ever. However, era when I was prime and the era when Savior was prime is different in skill level. However if that does happen, I think it can be a very big issue and fun. ▲ Savior: When I lose, I'm not the type that says to myself "If I was at my prime he would've lost." I never thought anything like that. I don't like imagining stuff like "if this was 1 year ago." Its just pointless thinking. - Still though, if this can happen what do you think will be the result? ▲ Boxer: I cant say, because I think the me right now is alot better than when I was at my prime long ago. Thats how much the skill average increased. Even though if I was at my prime I would lose. ▲ Savior: I believe the same. I think I'm better now than I was at my prime (LOL ANTI-SAVIOR FANBOYS ARE RIGHT). These days everyone is so good, they don't get shaken up mentally either. Aftergame interviews of winners all sound like they were mentally fine. Thats how much better players got. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86325 | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Consensus... yeah. But no one think about that, why would Flash or Jaedong ever have the motivation to go to that game? If you go somewhere just because you think it's "necessary" you won't be motivated. You are motivated when you truly wish something. Why would Flash / JD go to SC2? It's senseless. Current SC:BW is pretty entertaining and challenging rivalries (JD-Flash, Stork-Bisu and in other combinations too... as well as some newly developing rivalries such as SoulKey vs. Fantasy or Great vs. Zero) and constant strategy development. Why leave it all to a game where there is arguable balance, arguable entertaining ability and strategic depth?... Not that they just must be discovered... but it is doubted by many professional players that there even is some of this (depth and entertaining ability). So I think that this is simply irrelevant and somewhat provocational question. "How would they do IF they switched?" But they really, have no reasons to DO this. If it's a provocation to make people talk about it... (intentional or not) so, I just said here my opinion, and as it's already turned into a trolololol topic (though I very much hope that it'll stop being this), and not gonna post here more... | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
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