EPTOn April 30 2011 11:39 ccHaZaRd wrote:
if flash came to sc2 his mech tvp would be unstoppable
if flash came to sc2 his mech tvp would be unstoppable
He's so good he can use spider-mines even though there are no vultures in SC2.
MC: "[Flash] would definitely do well in SC2" - Page 13
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
He's so good he can use spider-mines even though there are no vultures in SC2. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote: Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch? Because they are interested in BW, why would you give up what you like? It is very interesting to follow BW scene and recognize that some, admittedly mediocre players, can be such a "key" to some innovations in game. Such as  Crazy-Hydra for example, he seemed to be so mediocre, but all of a sudden other Woongjin zergs confirm that he developed the Queen builds for Zerg vs. Terran playing mech units. Or  Horang2 who is extremely mediocre in other match-ups but has omfg good PvP.i think other players have their "features" too. even if you are generally mediocre you can have your "star hour"  | ||
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
bw pros get paid craploads salary wise and being good at bw is FAR more reputable than being good in sc2. i could not see any pro-bw player switching for a long time. whoever thinks flash would give up a 6 figure salary just so he can MAYBE win a GSL for what, 30k? is kidding themselves. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
Sure they are the most likely to quickly reach the TOP, but affirming to know without a shadow of doubts that they would be heads and shoulders above every single other Starcraft 2 players for years is beyond ridiculous. BW and Starcraft II are extremly different. In War3 too, the best BW pro who switched were far from being the best players. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:20 thoradycus wrote: In a standard game, flash could pretty much outmacro boxer(at his prime) easily. Dont know about micro though.Though an interesting fact,Boxer beat a very young flash in their only(i think) match. i think a good example is mae jae yoon (savior), who was most succesful during his late teens, which is when he was the best in the world. however, newer players with better skills came along and replaced him. afterwards, he admitted that his skill had increased passed what it was in his prime, but it was a simple case of better players getting better faster | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On April 30 2011 23:15 _Quasar_ wrote: Because they are interested in BW, why would you give up what you like? It is very interesting to follow BW scene and recognize that some, admittedly mediocre players, can be such a "key" to some innovations in game. Such as Crazy-Hydra for example, he seemed to be so mediocre, but all of a sudden other Woongjin zergs confirm that he developed the Queen builds for Zerg vs. Terran playing mech units. Or Horang2 who is extremely mediocre in other match-ups but has omfg good PvP.i think other players have their "features" too. even if you are generally mediocre you can have your "star hour" Im not sure about this but I think  MVP with his resurrection of mines double expand (while he played BW) contributed to the decline of 12 nex as an opening among pros. You almost never see 12 nex at pro level now | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 01 2011 00:25 reneg wrote: but does anyone feel that with MBS and the general easier state of macro, that it would more level the playing field for people playing against people who are so incredibly good as flash & JD? Even with such things, the current batch of players still miss production rounds,mules etc. Imagine if one of TBLS, with much better macro played. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote: Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch? BW is so much more lucrative than SC2 in Korea. BW dominates two cable channels with top ratings, BW has the $300k salaries, BW has the hundred thousand member fan clubs, BW draws six figure live crowds . . . SC2 is probably less than one tenth as popular as BW in Korea. | ||
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entocheets
Australia367 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:29 red4ce wrote: Flash is 18 right now, and and already has more accomplishments than Boxer did in his entire career. woah, let's not get carried away now you can't really say Flash revolutionised e-sports in Korea..but as far as BW pros moving to SC2, there's no doubt that they would definately do very well. if one of the TBLS were to compete in SC2 I wouldn't expect them to rip through their first GSL tournament, but they'd show impressive results. | ||
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R3N
740 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:07 chenchen wrote: BW is so much more lucrative than SC2 in Korea. BW dominates two cable channels with top ratings, BW has the $300k salaries, BW has the hundred thousand member fan clubs, BW draws six figure live crowds . . . SC2 is probably less than one tenth as popular as BW in Korea. And according to some koreans, SC2 doesn't grow particularly fast, if at all (professionally). I'm not sure any of the top BW pros would ever pick up SC2 in it's current state (no lan, failnet2.0, GOM monopoly etc) | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
 OT: i doubt we'd see flash soon though, he still has to go into the military, and hes just so high on the BW ranking that he'd lose a lot of money going to SC2 and practice for that. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:59 G3CKO wrote: I think a much more sensible statement to make would be that BW is dead outside of Korea... and a subforum on TL. >_>lol @ bw is dead bw is still evolving and it's not going to stop The western scene has basically vanished/completely transferred over to SC2. SC2 exposure is at an all time high right now and shows no sign of slowing down anytime soon. Just take a look at the streams going on at any one time on TL. Over 60 streams open - 55 are SC2 (with ~9000 viewers total), 5 are BW (with ~60 viewers total) - and this is the headquarters of BW outside of Korea. But obviously, it's understandable from the BW players' kind of view. Why give up your job and your livelihood when you don't even know whether you will make it to the top in SC2? It's a risk that not many are willing to take - and understandably so. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:29 entocheets wrote: woah, let's not get carried away now you can't really say Flash revolutionised e-sports in Korea..but as far as BW pros moving to SC2, there's no doubt that they would definately do very well. if one of the TBLS were to compete in SC2 I wouldn't expect them to rip through their first GSL tournament, but they'd show impressive results. If we are talking about actual accomplishments in terms of winning yes he has. Anyways, I don`t see any BW pro switching over for a long time since they are making more than they would in SC2 and you get more recognition playing BW. Makes no sense for top BW players to switch to a more volatile game where the playing field is more level because of the simplified mechanics and different game design. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
Seriously, if TBLS switched to SC2, I'd imagine 90% of the sponsors and viewers of BW would switch with them. Watching BW matches between Failtasy, Clam, Hyuk, Jaehoon & co would be positively depressing after seeing the magnificence of Flash and his minibosses. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:36 Bobster wrote: I think a much more sensible statement to make would be that BW is dead outside of Korea... and a subforum on TL. >_> The western scene has basically vanished/completely transferred over to SC2. SC2 exposure is at an all time high right now and shows no sign of slowing down anytime soon. Just take a look at the streams going on at any one time on TL. Over 60 streams open - 55 are SC2 (with ~9000 viewers total), 5 are BW (with ~60 viewers total) - and this is the headquarters of BW outside of Korea. But obviously, it's understandable from the BW players' kind of view. Why give up your job and your livelihood when you don't even know whether you will make it to the top in SC2? It's a risk that not many are willing to take - and understandably so. This is the headquarters of BW in the Western world, but not outside of Korea. In China, BW still gets a lot more attention than SC2. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:48 tyCe wrote: That is probably the most unimpressive statement I've heard all day - more unimpressive than stuff like "Yes", "No", "Good morning". If you don't think Flash would dominate SC2 if he switched and spent more than 2 weeks on it then you're a huge fool. Flash would add 6 more dimensions to the metagame, he would create his own race more powerful than the hybrids or the Xel'Naga, he would not miss a single second of production in a 30 minute macro game, he might even out-micro the Automaton Bot. Jeez, if Flash switched to SC2, Blizzard would find it impossible to balance the races AND Flash at the same time. No joke. Seriously, if TBLS switched to SC2, I'd imagine 90% of the sponsors and viewers of BW would switch with them. Watching BW matches between Failtasy, Clam, Hyuk, Jaehoon & co would be positively depressing after seeing the magnificence of Flash and his minibosses. One half of me would love to see Flash come over to see him owning up the scene and pushing the understanding of the game and its matchups. The other half would love to see him come over and be just one of many good players because I feel people are slighting the SC2 scene by putting BW pros on a pedestal already. So basically whatever the outcome, I 100% want him (and the other top BW players) to come over. :lol :lol On May 01 2011 01:51 chenchen wrote: This is the headquarters of BW in the Western world, but not outside of Korea. In China, BW still gets a lot more attention than SC2. And Warcraft III more than both of them combined.  But point taken, I actually only thought of the western scene and forgot the rest of Asia in my previous post. | ||
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Griffith`
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:55 Griffith` wrote: imo BW wouldn't be worth watching w/o FlaSh. =/ there are many great broodwar players outside of flash that produce exciting games and innovative tactics. sure, having flash leave brood war would be a blow, but there is still a sea of players i love to watch | ||
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