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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 01 2011 02:02 doihy wrote: How can you just assume if Flash switched over he would show Terrans how to actually play? Have you considered that Starcraft 2 has already reached its limit? This is one sad game if it's already reached it's limit. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 01 2011 09:09 rysecake wrote: This is one sad game if it's already reached it's limit. With dustin browder behind the wheel the depth may have been compromised for the sake of accessibility. | ||
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Vorlik
1522 Posts
On May 01 2011 09:14 Serpico wrote: With dustin browder behind the wheel the depth may have been compromised for the sake of accessibility. Honestly, I look at that as a good thing. It'll never go mainstream and open up to wider, more casual audiences otherwise. | ||
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Danger_Duck
Burkina Faso571 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 30 2011 17:27 Baarn wrote: MVP couldn't beat Nada in bw. Want proof? Pretty awesome if you watch it. MVP big accomplishment is making ro8 in msl. Which is pretty badass from the people he beat to get that far in that tournament. Nada has far more accomplishments than that. Jaedong just very recently passed Nada in all time wins in bw. Get your facts straight before you go fanboy someone and embarass yourself. Who am i a Fanboy of exactly, MVP who's an average T? Anyone who regularly watched BW around that time would have agreed with me that MVP when he was playing well was better than Nada. If anything you are making the fanboy statement by jumping to Nada's defence for some reason. I'm well aware of Nada's achievements in the game, but it's irrelevant to actual skill when his achievements were all many years ago. Not sure how i'm embarrassing myself by stating blatant facts. MVP was playing very well for a period and had some good wins against players like Stork, and this was well after 2008. Nada was never bad like some people suggested but MVP was becoming an A-team regular while Nada wasn't even getting games. I don't get why a guy who joined in 2010 is popping up to try and tell me shit about BW. The relative skill has gone up so high over the years that even a sub-50% winrate a-teamer was much better than Nada. Sorry if that somehow offends you, it's not taking anything away from his previous titles. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Everhate
United States640 Posts
Players like Moon and Grubby, as the former top of their game, are surging strongly and continuing to improve, but didn't jump immediately to the top (though that may be more similar to say boxer/nada than flash/jd/bisu). More than anything, I'd love for it to somehow happen. I think it would just be a matter of developing the new game sense and timings for sc2 and they'd be amazing. Edit: Would also be interested to see if they stayed with the same race. Flash as a zerg, or JD as a protoss or something would be both amazing and somewhat disappointing at the same time. Not even sure how I'd feel about it, heh. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2295 Posts
EDIT: well thinking about it a lil bit more, i guess if they switch over sc2, even if they get really good at the game, they may not be as dominant as they were in sc1 (jd /flash) cause the "luck factor" in sc2 is lilttle bit higher than it is in bw... | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 01 2011 09:40 lynx.oblige wrote: Starcraft reach its limit? lol? Why would Flash even be guaranteed to play Terran anyhow. Somehow I feel like he would like Zerg. God I hope not. Flash playing anything but Terran will upset me. Same with JD and Bisu. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 01 2011 11:10 rysecake wrote: God I hope not. Flash playing anything but Terran will upset me. Same with JD and Bisu. Flash's Carrier micro isn't too bad, and apparently he played a bit of Zerg before becoming fully Terran and going pro. Jaedong's Terran is also pretty good, especially his bio play in ZvT. Also, I heard that he started out playing Terran before switching over to Zerg and going pro. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 01 2011 11:18 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash's Carrier micro isn't too bad, and apparently he played a bit of Zerg before becoming fully Terran and going pro. Jaedong's Terran is also pretty good, especially his bio play in ZvT. Also, I heard that he started out playing Terran before switching over to Zerg and going pro. I'm not saying they're bad. I bet their off races are amazing. But it'd upset me knowing they aren't sticking to their roots. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:14 Garmer wrote: i think if boxer is still 18-20 years old, he could beat flash, or match head to head with him easily lol you are delusional... 73% all time winning percentage against players like jaedong -- who himself is 69% -- bisu and stork is something that has never ever been seen in BW history and probably will never be seen again. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On May 01 2011 11:24 rysecake wrote: I'm not saying they're bad. I bet their off races are amazing. But it'd upset me knowing they aren't sticking to their roots. I wonder if Savior still mains zerg in SCII? | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
I would say Nada and MvP are about on equal level. And I think I agree with people saying Flash wouldn't show us anything really new. He'd just execute what we have got going much better than everyone else. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 01 2011 12:40 Nayl wrote: People seem to be overestimating MvP's abilities in BW. Stars Terrans have always been butt of joke probably even more so than T1 zergs. I would say Nada and MvP are about on equal level. And I think I agree with people saying Flash wouldn't show us anything really new. He'd just execute what we have got going much better than everyone else. what does it matter if he was a woongjin terran? he still racked up some decent wins, and no one was calling him a top level brood war player, but simply a solid A teamer while nada wasn't, I don't think anyone can disagree with this | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On May 01 2011 15:28 rysecake wrote: How many people here just watched Flash's game against Movie and can say with a straight face that he wouldn't own up sc2...lol man, Flash is so freakin huge and influential right now. A decision to move to SC2 could literally mean thousands of new fans switching over from BW to either watch their favourite terran, or realise that the top players in the world are finally moving to SC2. I personally hope he switches, as i would much rather see SC2 bloom and prosper even more brightly than SC1 did! | ||
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mytent
United States156 Posts
On May 01 2011 12:40 Nayl wrote: People seem to be overestimating MvP's abilities in BW. Stars Terrans have always been butt of joke probably even more so than T1 zergs. I would say Nada and MvP are about on equal level. And I think I agree with people saying Flash wouldn't show us anything really new. He'd just execute what we have got going much better than everyone else. this. it's just a mechanics advantage and RTS familiarity that you'd have transferring over. not innate SC2 skills -_- seriously lol ppeople dont think at all... | ||
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jellyfish
United States149 Posts
On May 01 2011 15:52 mytent wrote: this. it's just a mechanics advantage and RTS familiarity that you'd have transferring over. not innate SC2 skills -_- seriously lol ppeople dont think at all... ?????? So, if you actually stop to think about it, "rts familiarity" is kind of a big deal...as has been pointed out many times in this thread, Flash's dominance isn't because he "clicks much faster than everyone else," to borrow sc2 bandwagoner lingo...he actually has an astoundingly deep strategic understanding of starcraft, and rts's as a genre. There was an old interview where Yellow said something like he had never seen someone with an innate understanding of games like Flash does, that he always seems to spend all his resources yet always have enough to expand, and always come out ahead somehow. And if you watch any of his dominating facerape games, or his holy-shit-comeback games, you have to admit that the kid seems to have some rts computer for a brain. Take last night's proleague match, for example. There is no way Flash actually planned to go ridiculous mass wraith into mass expand into dicking around with BC/tank. Yet he was in control the entire game, both in terms of military/economy and game flow. He just has an instinct. If Flash were to convert to sc2, it would only be a matter of time before he "got" the game, and his rts sense will enable him to do very well. | ||
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