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France12906 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things. They can switch race  Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg. Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too Cloud P -> T Goody P -> T Rainbow P -> T Incontrol Z -> P etc... JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z. What if Flash played Protoss?
protoss skill ceiling is too low
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On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things. They can switch race Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg. Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too Cloud P -> T Goody P -> T Rainbow P -> T Incontrol Z -> P etc... JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z. What if Flash played Protoss?
I don't think it is suited to his style.
Protoss in Sc2 is really weird, completly different of Bw imo.
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On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.
Couldn't you have at least done some basic research before posting this?
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i'm laughing so hard at the notion that races are "way better balanced" in sc2
ahhhh my brain hurts
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Why do people not understand such basic points? Let me lay it out.
Nada/July/Boxer are EXTREMELY OLD and FAR past their primes. They cannot even get onto the A-team of any progaming team, with the exception of Nada, who was on the borderline.
MVP was a solid A-teamer when SC2 came out. At that moment in time, MVP could have beaten Nada/July/Boxer around the block with a fraction of his skills.
Thus, when everyone transitioned into SC2, when looking at current skill level alone, Nada/July/Boxer do NOT qualify as good BW players. People who DID qualify include MVP, MC (well not really but okay), Nestea (err kinda), etc.
As for those discrediting the BW experience... let's put it this way. No, you don't have to be a BW pro to do well in SC2 (e.g. Moon, Lyn, etc).
However, everyone who has done well has a very solid BW experience. Usually with a positive correlation on their BW skill level when starting SC2.
On that note, Flash/Bisu/Jaedong would destroy. Obviously not at first, because they are incredibly honed and sharp tools at BW, but their multitasking, gamesense, internal timing clocks, micro, macro, etc. do indeed transition. That's why only ex-pro RTS gamers are successful in BW.
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On April 30 2011 22:08 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things. Couldn't you have at least done some basic research before posting this?
I remember an interview with JD where he talked that he used to play Terran but was not very successful against Zerg so he switched then. So that's probably what red4ce thought (?).
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United Kingdom160 Posts
they're too established in a too well established game for a switch to be a realistic possibility any time soon though.
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On April 30 2011 22:06 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things. They can switch race Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg. Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too Cloud P -> T Goody P -> T Rainbow P -> T Incontrol Z -> P etc... JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z. What if Flash played Protoss? protoss skill ceiling is too low
Starcraft 2 is a new game and is still developing, when other races start figuring out different playstyles and approaches to the current matchups we're gonna see protoss have to try different styles. There's no skill ceiling.
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pretty sure cloud played T in bw
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On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.
OMG, that posts like these still exist in TL...
1. JD plays Z
2. BW is called THE most balanced RTS ever. It's much much more balanced than SC2
3. Innovative play? And what do you think of the recent metagame shifts, in ZvT (Queens), and ZvZ (Hive) ?
There are still many innovative tactics around in BW, because Flash and the like are capable to find new ways.
4. The races don't feel the same. Or does Zerg in SC2 feel like BW-Zerg? Is Weak-warpgate-units-Protoss similar to Reaver-Storm-Stasis-Protoss?
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Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
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On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
the top brood war players earn high salaries + their tournament winnings, sponsorships etc
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
Ill quote myself somewhat from the post I made earlier in this thread:
There is no incentive for him to go for SC2.
Flash makes ~300-400k a year in BW.
SC2 is tiny/peanuts in Korea, whereas BW is major(Beyond E-famous).
And really, it would be such a waste if Flash were to play SC2.
Basically SC2 is nothing and BW is everything. The only incentive to go SC2 is to become famous because they simply can not compete with the best in BW. SC2 players in Korea are struggling as it, it is much more comfertable to be paid a salary.
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On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
yeah it more lucrative. You get money without having to win a tournement, because the heart of BW pro are the Teams.
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lol @ bw is dead
bw is still evolving and it's not going to stop
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On April 30 2011 22:58 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch? the top brood war players earn high salaries + their tournament winnings, sponsorships etc
The teams have big company's sponsoring them and the games are on actual tv it's much more lucrative atm.
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On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
BW OSL and MSL is still more prestigious than GSL in Korea.They get paid as well.
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On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced [...].
Other then that SC2 focused [...] more on macro [...].
Ignorance is bliss. No seriously most obvious troll ever.
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On April 30 2011 20:32 mytent wrote:
lol.
the only thing people have when they switch from sc1 to sc2 is:
- similar RTS model/game style.
- mechanics (to an extent - because again, not clone model, new keys).
game sense does not switch over because its different for different games. the TYPE of game sense required and type of practice required, knowledge and understanding of these things, does switch over.
but thats all.
This is provably wrong. Skilled rts players continue their success in other games which is evident from just looking at who the best players in the world are.
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