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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
April 30 2011 13:06 GMT
#221
On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.

They can switch race

Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg.
Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too
Cloud P -> T
Goody P -> T
Rainbow P -> T
Incontrol Z -> P
etc...

JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z.


What if Flash played Protoss?

protoss skill ceiling is too low
WriterMaru
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 13:09:08
April 30 2011 13:07 GMT
#222
On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.

They can switch race

Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg.
Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too
Cloud P -> T
Goody P -> T
Rainbow P -> T
Incontrol Z -> P
etc...

JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z.


What if Flash played Protoss?

I don't think it is suited to his style.
Protoss in Sc2 is really weird, completly different of Bw imo.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
April 30 2011 13:08 GMT
#223
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.


Couldn't you have at least done some basic research before posting this?
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
April 30 2011 13:18 GMT
#224
i'm laughing so hard at the notion that races are "way better balanced" in sc2

ahhhh my brain hurts
I drop suckas like Plinko
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
April 30 2011 13:20 GMT
#225
Why do people not understand such basic points? Let me lay it out.

Nada/July/Boxer are EXTREMELY OLD and FAR past their primes. They cannot even get onto the A-team of any progaming team, with the exception of Nada, who was on the borderline.

MVP was a solid A-teamer when SC2 came out. At that moment in time, MVP could have beaten Nada/July/Boxer around the block with a fraction of his skills.

Thus, when everyone transitioned into SC2, when looking at current skill level alone, Nada/July/Boxer do NOT qualify as good BW players. People who DID qualify include MVP, MC (well not really but okay), Nestea (err kinda), etc.

As for those discrediting the BW experience... let's put it this way. No, you don't have to be a BW pro to do well in SC2 (e.g. Moon, Lyn, etc).

However, everyone who has done well has a very solid BW experience. Usually with a positive correlation on their BW skill level when starting SC2.

On that note, Flash/Bisu/Jaedong would destroy. Obviously not at first, because they are incredibly honed and sharp tools at BW, but their multitasking, gamesense, internal timing clocks, micro, macro, etc. do indeed transition. That's why only ex-pro RTS gamers are successful in BW.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
April 30 2011 13:21 GMT
#226
On April 30 2011 22:08 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.


Couldn't you have at least done some basic research before posting this?

I remember an interview with JD where he talked that he used to play Terran but was not very successful against Zerg so he switched then. So that's probably what red4ce thought (?).
BW
NoXious90
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom160 Posts
April 30 2011 13:31 GMT
#227
they're too established in a too well established game for a switch to be a realistic possibility any time soon though.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 30 2011 13:34 GMT
#228
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avidity
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom23 Posts
April 30 2011 13:38 GMT
#229
On April 30 2011 22:06 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 22:06 Baarn wrote:
On April 30 2011 22:04 Boblion wrote:
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.

They can switch race

Idra played Terran and now he plays zerg.
Morrow played Terran and now he plays z too
Cloud P -> T
Goody P -> T
Rainbow P -> T
Incontrol Z -> P
etc...

JD would still play Z imo. Flash would be either T or Z.


What if Flash played Protoss?

protoss skill ceiling is too low


Starcraft 2 is a new game and is still developing, when other races start figuring out different playstyles and approaches to the current matchups we're gonna see protoss have to try different styles. There's no skill ceiling.

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LastMan
Profile Joined April 2011
90 Posts
April 30 2011 13:46 GMT
#230
pretty sure cloud played T in bw
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 13:49:03
April 30 2011 13:47 GMT
#231
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
I highly doubt Flash or JD would do well in SC2, they would be on top no doubt about that but not nearly as good as the top 10-15 players right now imo.
First they all played terran in bw and agree or not terran held more then 50% of all tournaments win in bw + more then half of the most important titles ( golden mouse,Bonjwa.. etc ).In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced and terran is argueably not the best race in all match-ups atm.
Other then that SC2 focused way less on micro and having 500 + apm and much more on macro and having inovateive ways of handling things.


OMG, that posts like these still exist in TL...
1. JD plays Z
2. BW is called THE most balanced RTS ever. It's much much more balanced than SC2
3. Innovative play? And what do you think of the recent metagame shifts, in ZvT (Queens), and ZvZ (Hive) ?
There are still many innovative tactics around in BW, because Flash and the like are capable to find new ways.
4. The races don't feel the same. Or does Zerg in SC2 feel like BW-Zerg? Is Weak-warpgate-units-Protoss similar to Reaver-Storm-Stasis-Protoss?
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1996 Posts
April 30 2011 13:55 GMT
#232
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 30 2011 13:58 GMT
#233
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?


the top brood war players earn high salaries + their tournament winnings, sponsorships etc
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 30 2011 13:58 GMT
#234
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?


Ill quote myself somewhat from the post I made earlier in this thread:


There is no incentive for him to go for SC2.
Flash makes ~300-400k a year in BW.
SC2 is tiny/peanuts in Korea, whereas BW is major(Beyond E-famous).
And really, it would be such a waste if Flash were to play SC2.

Basically SC2 is nothing and BW is everything. The only incentive to go SC2 is to become famous because they simply can not compete with the best in BW. SC2 players in Korea are struggling as it, it is much more comfertable to be paid a salary.
WriterXiao8~~
Quarz
Profile Joined November 2010
448 Posts
April 30 2011 13:58 GMT
#235
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?


yeah it more lucrative. You get money without having to win a tournement, because the heart of BW pro are the Teams.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 14:00:08
April 30 2011 13:59 GMT
#236
lol @ bw is dead

bw is still evolving and it's not going to stop
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
DetrA
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
April 30 2011 14:01 GMT
#237
On April 30 2011 22:58 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?


the top brood war players earn high salaries + their tournament winnings, sponsorships etc


The teams have big company's sponsoring them and the games are on actual tv it's much more lucrative atm.
"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence." -Calvin Coolidge
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 30 2011 14:02 GMT
#238
On April 30 2011 22:55 Aristodemus wrote:
Is it more lucrative to be successful in BW? If these guys (MC, Nestea) were so "mediocre" as people claim why dont more top BW pro's switch?

BW OSL and MSL is still more prestigious than GSL in Korea.They get paid as well.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
April 30 2011 14:06 GMT
#239
On April 30 2011 21:58 Aterons_toss wrote:
In starcraft 2 all 3 races got the same 'felling" as BW ( more or less ) but are way better balanced [...].
Other then that SC2 focused [...] more on macro [...].


Ignorance is bliss. No seriously most obvious troll ever.
DetrA
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
April 30 2011 14:07 GMT
#240
On April 30 2011 20:32 mytent wrote:
lol.

the only thing people have when they switch from sc1 to sc2 is:

- similar RTS model/game style.
- mechanics (to an extent - because again, not clone model, new keys).

game sense does not switch over because its different for different games. the TYPE of game sense required and type of practice required, knowledge and understanding of these things, does switch over.

but thats all.



This is provably wrong. Skilled rts players continue their success in other games which is evident from just looking at who the best players in the world are.
"Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence." -Calvin Coolidge
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