PTR 1.3.3 Cannon Placement with new Pylon Radius - Page 11

On May 01 2011 07:37 kyophan wrote:

I didn't know they were bigger. Nonetheless, I also tested it with zerglings and it seems to work just fine.

On May 01 2011 19:04 Dommk wrote:

The way you make it sound, why make the change at all? It is only one square right?

It is fine that some people don't quite feel the change is as big as others are making it, but don't downplay it to that level of absurdity. The Pylon area is reduced to 85% of what it is now, it is like increasing the cost of stim by 5HP. There isn't that big of a difference at face value, but over a long period of time--there is a noticeable effect.

On May 01 2011 19:24 AnalThermometer wrote:
So much bitterness from the non-Protoss in the thread.

Anyways, I've found this change makes cannon rushes much more effective in PvP. As you can't cover your nexus with a single pylon anymore the defender is much more vulnerable from at least one side.

On May 01 2011 05:19 Geovu wrote:
I decided to acquire some screenshots of BW to compare the Pylon Radius between games. I thought this would be a good idea since a lot of people in this thread have been talking about.

First, OP's pics for comparison:




Now le BW:



^This picture aptly demonstrates how far you can place cannons in relation to the nexus. Note that I could have built cannons within the mineral line, and they would be right up against the limit of the pylon radius^



^This second picture is to show how far out you can place cannons on a lone pylon, without and interrupting nexus and assimilator cluttering up the picture^

These next three pictures I found quite interesting:

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What I discovered:
-In Brood War, a pylon's radius extends 4 hexes upwards and downwards.
-A pylon's radius extends 8 hexes left and right.
-However, for cannons and cannons alone the pylon only has an effective radius of 7 in width. This means you can only have 3 cannons of width instead of 4.
-A nexus, gateways and stargates are all 4 hexes wide by 3 high
-Most other buildings (Core, Robo, etc) are 3 hexes wide by 2 high

Vs Starcraft 2:
-Currently, pylon radius is 7.5, to be 6.5 in next patch
-Nexus is 4 by 4, virtually all other buildings are 3 by 3


You must note that because pylons in BW do not extend as high as their width, and most buildings are not square, it is hard to directly compare between games as to how much this effects gameplay. Also, cannons only had 100/100 hp/shields.

In conclusion: Iunno lol.

On May 01 2011 19:34 kyophan wrote:
I haven't really tested to see how much could hit it. You can add onto this wall by adding a pylon to the right of the pylon later in the game if it is a concern, and moving the zealot slightly to the right.I don't know the timing of the units or buildings since I'm a terran player. Perhaps someone else can give insight on what unit/buildings were used previously to stop those rushes people are talking about.

On May 01 2011 21:04 RemrafGrez wrote:

Nice analysis! But im confused... So you could put cannons in minerals on the far side of a pylon next to a nexus in broodwar? If i read that right, the change is making it smaller than before in BW in many cases!! And it just felt bigger because gateways are smaller now? Now i am even more depressed.

On May 02 2011 02:43 br0fivE wrote:
if you think about it, its a buff.
now since your second pylon will be closer to the other, so situations where you have 1 pylon powering everything getting sniped wont be so common

its not a big deal at all.