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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 23 2011 00:05 Huntz wrote: I agree... observer needs to be available at nexus after twilight/robo or stargate IMO. Protoss... Zerg. Different races. Troll elsewhere. | ||
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Wire
United States494 Posts
it seems that more and more so the blizzard changes are favoring faster hive tech. the ultra charge, baneling move, and hydra speed are all hive tech upgrades, and the necessity of detection being from infestation pit means that hive availability is opened up much faster. Idk it just makes lair seem to be a stepping stone | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:08 Lonyo wrote: Protoss... Zerg. Different races. Troll elsewhere. Yeah, one race requires detection the other does not. OWAIT | ||
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mistermetal
Canada76 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:13 Wire wrote: idk it does seem a bit far up the tech tree to be honest, but I'm already starting to favor a playstyle that involves getting hive very quickly so I'm not sure this will be a significant problem. The timings and costs and w/e need to be established before we jump to conclusions. it seems that more and more so the blizzard changes are favoring faster hive tech. the ultra charge, baneling move, and hydra speed are all hive tech upgrades, and the necessity of detection being from infestation pit means that hive availability is opened up much faster. Idk it just makes lair seem to be a stepping stone from the people who have play tested HotS the viper is available when lair finishes, and is built from the Lair itself like the queen. | ||
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DIRESTRAIT
Canada155 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:16 ETisME wrote: it's funny how everyone was so pro- "remove overseer" because it was boring and now people realise it is actually a really useful scouting unit (Especially after the cut in cost) I always use the overseer  He will be missed. I use them to scout very often and I keep one at every expansion for lategame DTs, because of too many times where the toss ran in with multiple DTs and just killed my spore(s).Question about the viper though.. Can he cast the spell on more than one unit or is it only once? And is the Viper a passive detector by itself? | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:26 Najda wrote: I always use the overseer He will be missed. I use them to scout very often and I keep one at every expansion for lategame DTs, because of too many times where the toss ran in with multiple DTs and just killed my spore(s).Add spine crawlers with spores late game. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:29 Striding Strider wrote: Add spine crawlers with spores late game. No shit I obviously do that. Two spines and two spores can easily be taken out by a couple DTs. Did you think I just put a spore down and tried to kill the DTs with my drones or something? | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:32 Najda wrote: No shit I obviously do that. Two spines and two spores can easily be taken out by a couple DTs. Did you think I just put a spore down and tried to kill the DTs with my drones or something? Add more spines then? | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
I'm not here to discuss my gameplay as I already have a good way to deal with DTs. I was just saying the overseer isn't useless. It's also not the end of the world that it will be gone either because I can just cast the detector spell on an overlord and use it for the same purpose. | ||
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AlgoFlash
Canada96 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:18 mistermetal wrote: from the people who have play tested HotS the viper is available when lair finishes, and is built from the Lair itself like the queen. So you probably will be able to cast the spell as soon as the viper is on the field for the same timing as an overseer. Don't you think that blizzard had figured this out? Thread can be closed. | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:54 Najda wrote: I'm not here to discuss my gameplay as I already have a good way to deal with DTs. I was just saying the overseer isn't useless. It's also not the end of the world that it will be gone either because I can just cast the detector spell on an overlord and use it for the same purpose. Maybe you can build two Vipers and cast Ocular Parasite in each other? Voilá!! Overseer 2.0  | ||
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KingStuart
England16 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:15 Striding Strider wrote: Yeah, one race requires detection the other does not. OWAIT Zerg detection timing and scouting timing isn't particularly related to or relevant to protoss scouting or detection timing. They are different races with different requirements and timings. Zergs can often barely squeak by as it is with regards to overseer timing vs cloaked units. No one is suggesting changing Protoss scouting and detection timings, so it's totally irrelevant to even mention protoss. It's not hard to understand. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:16 ETisME wrote: it's funny how everyone was so pro- "remove overseer" because it was boring and now people realise it is actually a really useful scouting unit (Especially after the cut in cost) What? It was only useful AFTER the cut in gas cost... And I'm pretty sure by "remove overseer" people meant "give overlords the detection they used to have" >.> On October 23 2011 02:57 AlgoFlash wrote: So you probably will be able to cast the spell as soon as the viper is on the field for the same timing as an overseer. Don't you think that blizzard had figured this out? Thread can be closed. Viper supposedly comes from infestation pit? | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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EnclaveUSA
United States18 Posts
But I want it from separate building. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:50 EnclaveUSA wrote: What the problem? Terran lose mule (270 minerals later), protoss only from photons and from Robotics Bay. Why not zerg can't get it from spire? But I want it from separate building. Timing, scouting and cost are the THREE problems with the change. 1) It comes later than overseers (50 secs to build an Infestation pit, plus the time taken to product the Viper, plus the time taken to give a unit detection and get said unit in the right place, vs 17 seconds to morph an overseer). 2) You can't use overseers to scout with, meaning your scouting is delayed (overlord speed takes 60 secs, morphing an overseer takes 17 secs) 3) Overlord speed is 100/100 (required in order to get a scout). Infestation pit is 100/100 (required for a Viper), and then you add the cost of the Viper. Now you have the equivalent of an overseer, and it's only cost you 4x the minerals and 4x the gas, PLUS the cost of a Viper. So, what's the problem? All of the above. Zerg already has on the edge detection, and they already have problems when it comes to scouting, and this change makes BOTH bigger problems due to the above. | ||
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:50 EnclaveUSA wrote: What the problem? Terran lose mule (270 minerals later), protoss only from photons and from Robotics Bay. Why not zerg can't get it from spire? But I want it from separate building. Terran does not lose a mule by scanning though... There was a huge debate about this in the beta. | ||
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