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Patch 1.3.3 PTR - Page 3

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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong.
It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully.
DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
April 26 2011 02:29 GMT
#41
Wow, this is actually a decent balance patch O.o.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 02:31:28
April 26 2011 02:29 GMT
#42
Goodbye 4 gate bull shit.

This truly looks promising, and I think PvP will get a fresh start.

Oh, and thank god Archons are massive now. Was such crap that Marauders could slow them.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
April 26 2011 02:29 GMT
#43
lol this is an interesting patch
Axel 145 Masters Protoss
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 26 2011 02:30 GMT
#44
On April 26 2011 11:24 Kujawa wrote:
spore crawlers....really......cause i build those.


Damn it its spore not spine I misread

Darn, I was actually considering switching to zerg if it was spines like in the beta.
Meh, stickin with protoss =/
Jaedong :3
xguyx
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
April 26 2011 02:30 GMT
#45
ghosts are gonna be more of a pain now =[
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell. -Buddha
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 26 2011 02:30 GMT
#46
On April 26 2011 11:20 Jimbo77 wrote:
Balance

PROTOSS

Archons are now a massive unit.



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

This made my day
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 02:31:59
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#47
So, this is kinda of a buff to Protoss :D? At least in PvT, those Archons get concussive shell kited to no end, rarely do they get to do damage, now if you lead with them and your Zealots behind them you can stop the effects of concussive shell kiting unless the Terran goes out of thier way to click on the Zealots

EDIT:

Why didn't they reduce the research time of hallucinate? This warpgate change pretty much reverts that buff Scouting shouldn't be nerfed!
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#48
Im just looking forward to new PvP builds actually working and the archon buff... if it is true
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#49
Just gotta watch out for 2 gate on Xel Naga. I'm excited.
Life is Good.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#50
Fixed a bug where players were still able to stack flying units on top of each other.

so we won't be able to stack mutas ?! lol
Stork[gm]
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 02:32:49
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#51
Ha, Blizzard still hates bunkers. 25 minerals is hardly anything significant and a reasonable change, though. Spore crawler change is a very welcome change, 2-rax is still nearly impossible to hold at close positions on the ladder maps.

Ghost change is... interesting. I'd rather them increase the gas cost than the mineral cost, Terran is the race that currently benefits the least from extra gas.

The only change I really don't like is making 'toss strictly stronger early game, making them a bit slower midgame, and not doing anything to change the lategame. TvP at least is definitely going to be harder if this patch goes through, dunno about ZvP since 4-gate is more of a problem there.

Edit: Wtf spore only? Yuck.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
April 26 2011 02:31 GMT
#52
This is going to completely change the early game for all PvX matches. I'm very interested to see how it plays out. To that person who said the MC 4-gate hasn't changed at all, it really has. Zergs will be operating on the assumption that they can get out more drones than they could previously, so the threat of a fake fast expo is not nearly as threatening as it would be if a 4 gate could come at literally any moment.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14073 Posts
April 26 2011 02:32 GMT
#53
Balance

PROTOSS

Archons are now a massive unit.

Pylon power radius has been decreased from 7.5 to 6.5.

Cybernetics Core

Research Warp Gate time increased from 140 to 180.

Gateway

Sentry train time decreased from 42 to 37.

Stalker train time decreased from 42 to 37.

Zealot train time decreased from 38 to 33.

Warp Gate unit train times remain unchanged.


TERRAN

Ghost

Cost changed from 150/150 to 200/100.

Salvage resource return reduced from 100% to 75%.


ZERG

Spore Crawler

Root time decreased from 12 to 6.


Bug Fixes

Fixed a bug where Ghosts could not quickly EMP the same location.

Fixed a bug where players were still able to stack flying units on top of each other.




those are the real PTR patch notes I think a lot of people got trolled hard
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
April 26 2011 02:32 GMT
#54
anti stacking = thor nerf vs, eg, muta?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 26 2011 02:32 GMT
#55
HELL YEAH ARCHONS!!
take away the 4gate I don't give a crap. Massive archons is AMAZING
no slow from cuncussive no stun from fungal I assume?
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 02:37:02
April 26 2011 02:32 GMT
#56
On April 26 2011 11:23 jaiBing wrote:
salvage change plus spore crawler is huge....... actually everything is lol

I disagree. The archon change is good for PvP, but any change that affects a mirror match-up isn't too huge of a change. Edit: oops I forgot the warpgate change that is a pretty big one too

Spore crawler change is pretty small IMO. This is another reversion (from patch 11), although it's not reverting spines. If it reverted spines it would be a medium sort of change.

I don't see why people are saying this patch is a zerg buff... it's not a significant enough of a change to be a buff, while terrans buff is much more significant, just counterbalanced a bit by a small negative change to bunkers.

Zergs never had too much of an issue dealing with air, although it was a bit of an issue some games, but only cause zerg has their queens die somehow.

On April 26 2011 11:32 sermokala wrote:
those are the real PTR patch notes I think a lot of people got trolled hard

Wat?
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
April 26 2011 02:33 GMT
#57
This is the first patch where I like every single change.

Good job, Blizzard. We're moving closer and closer to balance every day
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
April 26 2011 02:33 GMT
#58
Honestly I'd have liked to see them reduce the build and or root time of spine crawlers. But we'll see.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
April 26 2011 02:33 GMT
#59
On April 26 2011 11:28 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 11:27 Wolf wrote:
I'm going to do a long writeup about this. I'll post it tomorrow.

Are your thoughts primarily positive or negative?


I'm neutral about the changes. I can't make statements about them until we have time to test them. However, I'm moreso going to be talking about the attitude of Blizzard regarding patching.

On a more important note, is PTR up right now? Can anyone get in ?
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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MrSnibbles
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom267 Posts
April 26 2011 02:33 GMT
#60
On April 26 2011 11:29 imareaver3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 11:29 MrSnibbles wrote:
Yes.......YES.....YESSSSSSS

I'm loving the spinecrawler change.

And, i have a theory about the pylon change, i think it may be because of the whole 4gate+put a pylon just outside of your base, they get a unit just up the ramp so they've got vision then warp shit into your base.

As I said, it's only a theory that they've fixed it.



Spore crawlers only.


Oh........ohhhhhh.

Fuck ;_;

I might have to play some games as protoss......again.
Thank you, based god.
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