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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:14 Bobster wrote: If you lose 2 games in a row, you're out. If you win 2 out of 3 games, you advance. Which system am I talking about? + Show Spoiler + Exactly. i never thought about it that way | ||
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Shamrock_
South Africa276 Posts
It's the same in Starcraft; BO 1 doesn't necessarily bring out the best in a player and can be swayed largely by luck. I think a point format is best, followed by something like BO3. That said, a lot of SC2 players need to improve a hell of a lot in terms of their consistency. You're not gonna be a good player until you produce consistently good results and I'm starting to think Starcraft is a bit like gambling. In poker you see the same guys at the final table every year because of skill, and in Starcraft 2 we see...new players all the time. Maybe it just needs time. I guess we'll see. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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ULTRAmarine
Sweden47 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
It is still a bo3 except against diff opponents instead of the same one. This variety is fun imo. Con: It doesn't require that you play all 3 other players in the grp, which means you might luck out and avoid the top player in the grp = hurts legitimacy in those situations. | ||
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Caelis
Belgium43 Posts
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Wazabo
Italy124 Posts
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
How is that BO1? | ||
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densha
United States797 Posts
Any amount of games against the same opponent is going to include gimmicky or cheese builds designed to throw off the opponent for the other matches and hopefully get a quick, easy win. While this is a good meta-strategy for a BO series, it's weak when you are going up against different opponents - at least that's the impression I get since most Code S players in the group stage play safe (but still unique, varied, and aggressive) builds. Does no one else remember the immediate jump in quality of games the first season we had groups? It was a drastic change from the season before, which was exacerbated since that season was the SCV/Marine all-in season. Basically, I think a BO series allows one player to abuse another's weakness more easily than in a group stage. Also let's not forget that "upsets" in Code S can hardly be called real upsets - every player there is top class and has the possibility to take games off of any opponent. I mean, look at San - he beat Nestea, Boxer, and Ensnare straight up. This is what group stages are all about! And what about MC this season? He took HUGE risks that didn't pay off - it may have been an "upset" he's moving to the up and downs, but watch those games again and tell me he doesn't deserve it. Basically, if you think upsets are too easy to happen in this stage, point me to one group where an undeserving player moved on because he somehow abused this format. I don't think you can do it. And one last point - it's overall difficult to fall out of Code S. You have to lose your group in the RO32 AND you have to lose one or two BO3s in the up and downs. If you do happen to lose, you automatically start in Code A next season, which is a huge deal because of how difficult the qualifier is. You then have to lose your first BO3 there to drop out of Code A. It's a system that, overall, will keep the best players at the top. In SC2 and especially in Korea, though, "the best players" is something that's going to change quite a bit for now. A player like Nestea will always be around I think, but someone like MC is bound to fade away since his style is so risky. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
it's really stupid to ever have singles matches in single elimination starcraft 2 tournaments. if they had a losers bracket i wouldn't care, up and down matches is not really a loser's bracket since you don't end up staying in the tournament, you just get to play in the next one if you win. i love the GSL but if there was anything i hated about it it's the opening rounds of it. i think the people arguing that it's still "kinda" bo3 aren't thinking about the preparation it takes to beat 1 person you know you will face multiple times in a row, and the preparation it takes to beat 3 people, 2 of which you know you will face and 1 you might not, and you only get one chance to beat each person. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Maetl
United States93 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:05 Herculix wrote: first of all, to the people saying it's not single matches, it is single matches. you play 1 match against 2 people. so it's 2 singles, not a bo3. you have to prepare for 3 people instead of 1, potentially all races instead of 1, 3 different styles instead of 1. it is MUCH more random that way because the chances of you being able to prepare properly are low, so you don't know what to expect, and you have to have a vague practice set up where you prepare for a lot of situations that you know inevitably won't happen. it's really stupid to ever have singles matches in single elimination starcraft 2 tournaments. if they had a losers bracket i wouldn't care, up and down matches is not really a loser's bracket since you don't end up staying in the tournament, you just get to play in the next one if you win. i love the GSL but if there was anything i hated about it it's the opening rounds of it. It's also not a Bo1, and definatelly not single elimination. What everyone is saying is that it's closer to a Bo3 than a Bo1, since you have to win 2 games to advance, and lose 2 games to risk being demoted. It's definatelly FAR safer than a single elimination Bo1. This system may be less protective of top players in some cases, but may actually safer in others. If you are the better player, it may be better to face different people than only one player that plays a race or style you have problems against. I'm sorry, but a lot of players that do go down lose twice to the same player, and now people are saying they wouldn't lose to the same guy just because it's a Bo3? And to the argument of playing everyone in the group or not having to face the best player, as far as I know that's because of seeding, just like you will no faca the second best ranked player overall, as he won't be in your group, depending on your rank you may not face the best player in your group, that assuming weird stuff in the group selection doesn't happen. | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
The whole purpose of the Code S system is to allow new people to gradually work themselves up to it if they are up to the challenge, however no one in Code S is automatically knocked out if they lose the group stages. Take Ro32 TSL for example. Idra got knocked down first round, and upsets happen. That doesn't mean the balance of the whole universe has been shaken. | ||
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Wazabo
Italy124 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:14 Geovu wrote: People don't seem to realize that the reason there are a lot of upsets is that because even the top class of the players' skill to be honest are not as far out from the median of Code S. Every single one of the players in Code S deserves to be in Code S, even people that no one talks about like Kyrix or SC. If they are not actually deserving, then they WILL drop out. The whole purpose of the Code S system is to allow new people to gradually work themselves up to it if they are up to the challenge, however no one in Code S is automatically knocked out if they lose the group stages. Take Ro32 TSL for example. Idra got knocked down first round, and upsets happen. That doesn't mean the balance of the whole universe has been shaken. There are a lot of upsets because the system is going to create them. And it happens in the BW leagues aswell (they basically use the same system if I'm not mistaken). So you have MVP, MC or Bisu getting out in the first round. If the tournament was a league where everyone played eachother then you won't have any upset. MVP might not end top 4 hving a bad start of the season, but for sure won't fall to code A. | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
MKP vs Alicia wasn't BO3 for example, it was : 1game to win for Alicia, 2 games to win for MKP. That changes the game A LOT, one player has to play safe and the other is like almost free to try everything he wants. I don't necesseraly think that in BO3 round robin MC and MKP wouldn't have been eliminated, but the system seems pretty random. And about OSL/MSL being in bo1 too, BW is a "stable" game isnt it? | ||
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
The reason you see so many upsets is due to the newness of the game, not because of the format. there would be just as many upsets regardless of format because of this. also, what is this scrub attitude of a player not deserving to get out of their group. seriously, such a stupid stupid attitude. The group stage is seeded, with players allowed to choose their opponents. the better players have the advantage. If an upset happens, it is entirely their fault. They had the advantage, and still lost 2 games because of it. | ||
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