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On April 05 2011 21:20 JWD wrote:
I'm going to return to this thread in 10 hours and if your comment makes me embarrassed for you I am going to ban you.
Do not post anything here you wouldn't say publicly IRL.
Euhm, your sure? cause i kinda say everything thats on my mind xD People irl getting crazy(in a goodway most of the time) cause of me, and yesh, i have been bitchslapped for it more than once :p
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whats the big deal. i think its pretty funny. wats up with all the closet feminists
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On April 05 2011 15:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:08 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 06:03 dakalro wrote:On April 05 2011 05:51 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 04:40 eot wrote:
Hey look, there was an attention whore at MLG :| Agreed! This is a terrible portrayal of girl gamers/fans. And I really dislike the comments like "gotta love girl gamers". This is degrading, no matter who is doing the signing. Hahaha. Really, she wanted to get the autographs, who named you morals officer of the girl gamers? You seem like you would want to come out as a equal rights & shit dude but you only come out as an oppressor, defining what is right or wrong for a person to do. Stop thinking in terms of PC, it's in most cases a loss of freedom and wrong. If she really wanted the autographs, she would have gotten them on something that she could keep. I don't want to start any type of argument. As a woman, I am offended by the picture and all the posts that follow, except for the posts that point out how ridiculous it is. Obviously, since majority of you are male, most will disagree with me and I would lose any argument I try to make. I'm just saying, as a girl gamer, I don't want all girl gamers to be portrayed as sex symbols. You wouldnt have to worry about that if there werent so many complete idiots in the community. Honestly what you should worry about is not her, its that either people are stupid enough to think that just because 1 person behaves a certain way (which, btw, seems like a completely acceptable way to behave to me but I understand if its not something you are interested in), everyone willl... Or you might be wrong and this wont do much of anything for "girl gamers", in either direction.
Hi Jinro ^^
Wasn't going to post on this thread again, but I guess I will once more.
Let me just say that my posts in the beginning were strictly from my emotions and not very logical. There are some things that I said that don't make any sense and I realize that. (Like assuming that just because one person does something, then people will think that everyone in that group will do that). Honestly, I hardly care about this situation anymore.
What I just want everyone to realize is if you truly want esports to grow, it isn't by signing as many breasts as possible. (Although I do know that this particular picture gives publicity, so its good. But think again that this woman was only seen on TL, r/starcraft, and at MLG. So is it really any promotion outside the community?). Anyway, if you want esports to grow, it is by accepting women into the community. Don't treat them any differently! Let them be gamers and ignore the fact that they are a girl or have long discussions about there breasts. Respect them. Like someone else had said, there shouldn't be a label of "gamer girls", it should just be "gamers". Its true, but that isn't how it is, unfortunately,
Obviously, no one forced this woman to do this. She can and will do whatever she wants and I'm sure it was fun for her. More power to her. Hell, I'm jealous she even met Huk. I'm just more saddened by the posts that followed. Thought this was a more respectful community.
I've learned that this isn't an issue that can be discussed on TL. Too many opposing forces, but there are people here that agree with me.
To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is.
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On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 15:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On April 05 2011 06:08 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 06:03 dakalro wrote:On April 05 2011 05:51 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 04:40 eot wrote:
Hey look, there was an attention whore at MLG :| Agreed! This is a terrible portrayal of girl gamers/fans. And I really dislike the comments like "gotta love girl gamers". This is degrading, no matter who is doing the signing. Hahaha. Really, she wanted to get the autographs, who named you morals officer of the girl gamers? You seem like you would want to come out as a equal rights & shit dude but you only come out as an oppressor, defining what is right or wrong for a person to do. Stop thinking in terms of PC, it's in most cases a loss of freedom and wrong. If she really wanted the autographs, she would have gotten them on something that she could keep. I don't want to start any type of argument. As a woman, I am offended by the picture and all the posts that follow, except for the posts that point out how ridiculous it is. Obviously, since majority of you are male, most will disagree with me and I would lose any argument I try to make. I'm just saying, as a girl gamer, I don't want all girl gamers to be portrayed as sex symbols. You wouldnt have to worry about that if there werent so many complete idiots in the community. Honestly what you should worry about is not her, its that either people are stupid enough to think that just because 1 person behaves a certain way (which, btw, seems like a completely acceptable way to behave to me but I understand if its not something you are interested in), everyone willl... Or you might be wrong and this wont do much of anything for "girl gamers", in either direction. Hi Jinro ^^ Wasn't going to post on this thread again, but I guess I will once more. Let me just say that my posts in the beginning were strictly from my emotions and not very logical. There are some things that I said that don't make any sense and I realize that. (Like assuming that just because one person does something, then people will think that everyone in that group will do that). Honestly, I hardly care about this situation anymore. What I just want everyone to realize is if you truly want esports to grow, it isn't by signing as many breasts as possible. (Although I do know that this particular picture gives publicity, so its good. But think again that this woman was only seen on TL, r/starcraft, and at MLG. So is it really any promotion outside the community?). Anyway, if you want esports to grow, it is by accepting women into the community. Don't treat them any differently! Let them be gamers and ignore the fact that they are a girl or have long discussions about there breasts. Respect them. Like someone else had said, there shouldn't be a label of "gamer girls", it should just be "gamers". Its true, but that isn't how it is, unfortunately, Obviously, no one forced this woman to do this. She can and will do whatever she wants and I'm sure it was fun for her. More power to her. Hell, I'm jealous she even met Huk. I'm just more saddened by the posts that followed. Thought this was a more respectful community. I've learned that this isn't an issue that can be discussed on TL. Too many opposing forces, but there are people here that agree with me. To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. Show nested quote +The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is.
I fail to see how this has anything to do with "women's rights". She had a choice whether or not to get her tits signed, she decided to get her tits signed, and she had every right to get her tits signed. What's the problem? EDIT: This is in reference to the PM.
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On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. Show nested quote +The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is.
This has nothing to do with women's rights. The girl in the picture decided to go up and ask two of the "stars" of our community to sign her chest. The reason there's ridicule being directed at people trying to defend women's rights is not because people in this community to not believe in them, it's because they don't see this as a women's rights issue. It is simply naive and somewhat conceited to assume that people who don't think this is a women's rights issue are inherently sexist. This whole argument just screams high horse, and there aren't any posts here that really highlight why this is any different than literally any other case in society where people recognize the fact that men are attracted to breasts.
To put it in perspective, girls do not need to do these things to be part of the SC2 community. Nobody is asking female gamers to act like fangirls, nobody is asking them to get their bodies signed or anything. In fact, a lot of the men in the community could be called fangirls, if we really wanted to go that far. They do things that any pro sports community would ridicule, at least. The fact is that one person wanted to do something that's considered a little edgy, (and yes, attractive) in other sports scenes, so power to her.
If you want to promote sex equality in Starcraft, you encourage female gamers to go out and compete at high levels. Most fans and watchers aren't anywhere near pro level anyways, so judging the actions of one girl at a massive gaming event is pretty hypocritical, if you aren't going to look at all the stuff male fans are doing, too. (Trust me, it gets pretty wierd)
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I really like how you show a picture of not-even-naked boobs in the gaming community, and a discussion breaks loose with 90% of the posters loosing their common sense. Just don't make a huge deal about it. This has nothing at all to do with women's rights.
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People; relax. Tons of girls get their chest signed by celebrities and such. Idk if she should have made a thread about it but its pretty cool non-the-less.  I mean; i like boobs just like every other guy but i dont think shes a "whore" or "slut" or some shit. All in good fun ^_^
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On April 05 2011 18:14 Aberu wrote:
All this arguing about sexism is kinda ridiculous. Honestly, the feminists in the 60s were burning bras, and wearing skimpier clothing because the moral nagging crowd was trying to tell them how to behave. The girl that complained, Stephls was it? I kind of agree, this might not be the best choice she could make if she was wanting to be respected. But there are also girls that just do things for fun. It was probably fun, and that's why she wanted her boobs signed. Just like when a guy goes on a friend-date with a female with no hopes of reproduction, etc... It's a bad decision, not productive, will end up giving him blue balls, but it's what he wanted to do, and he was exercising his freedom to do so. If everything us humans had to do, had to comform to everyone else's moral codes, nothing would ever get done.
The point is that "fun" is a bad excuse, because we do not live alone. People are citing "freedom" or "its just for fun" as reasons for not having to consider the consequences of their actions.
Sure the women of the 60s were burning their bras, but what did they trade for it? Super skimpy clothes and plastic surgery for bigger boobs just so they can present ever more of their "attributes" to men in a competition to please the men. The way I see it they traded one supposed evil for a real evil because through the ever present boobs in our societies and the loose ways in which people treat sex we have lost so much. Especially the second one has disadvanteges only for women.
The point is that none of us is alone in the world and we all have to respect "our fellow man". This means that if we are walking across the street without using a pedestrian crossing and do that right in front of an elementary school we are responsible for kids copying that behaviour and having accidents. If we go around half-naked or start having sex in public (OR show such behaviour on media which are available for minors ... like the internet) then kids will copy that too.
Freedom is NOT the freedom to do whatever you want until you get sued for it! If you adapt one sentence which Rosa Luxemburg said ever so slightly you get a prett good definition of freedom:
"Freiheit ist immer die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden, ..." [Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently] original quote which she used to criticise the russian revolution and the intolerant behaviour against non-communists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
"Freiheit ist immer die Freiheit des Anderen." [Freedom is always the freedom of other people.] my adaptation which limits MY freedom when I infringe upon anyone elses freedom. I think this kind of behaviour was clearly visible in the reactions of the japanese people after the tsunami and many people admired it. No one complained and whined because that would bother other people with your own personal sorrows.
The bottom line is that everyone of us is part of a society and whatever we do - unless it is behind closed doors - affects the people around us. Does anyone have the right to walk over the feelings of other people? If your society thinks it is acceptable for girls to let their boobs be signed by people then by all means do it, but DONT expect everyone else to follow you with that.
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Why won't this thread just die, why do you guys have to keep arguing morality
it happened, she wanted it, she got it, who f'ing cares
Nobody is going to apologize for her actions, its just some autographs that she wanted on her tits, she thought it'd be funny probably, it got enough laughs out of the community now why do we have to keep arguing about womens rights non stop.
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What is the problem guys? Who cares how much she weights? Probably waaay more attractive that the majority of the guys who are pointing out all flaws will ever date. She doesn't look bad at all to me. You guys are just mean. Why don't you post a picture of yourself so we can all tell you how horrible you look? It was all in fun.
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On April 05 2011 22:45 SharkSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is. This has nothing to do with women's rights. The girl in the picture decided to go up and ask two of the "stars" of our community to sign her chest. The reason there's ridicule being directed at people trying to defend women's rights is not because people in this community to not believe in them, it's because they don't see this as a women's rights issue. It is simply naive and somewhat conceited to assume that people who don't think this is a women's rights issue are inherently sexist. This whole argument just screams high horse, and there aren't any posts here that really highlight why this is any different than literally any other case in society where people recognize the fact that men are attracted to breasts. To put it in perspective, girls do not need to do these things to be part of the SC2 community. Nobody is asking female gamers to act like fangirls, nobody is asking them to get their bodies signed or anything. In fact, a lot of the men in the community could be called fangirls, if we really wanted to go that far. They do things that any pro sports community would ridicule, at least. The fact is that one person wanted to do something that's considered a little edgy, (and yes, attractive) in other sports scenes, so power to her. If you want to promote sex equality in Starcraft, you encourage female gamers to go out and compete at high levels. Most fans and watchers aren't anywhere near pro level anyways, so judging the actions of one girl at a massive gaming event is pretty hypocritical, if you aren't going to look at all the stuff male fans are doing, too. (Trust me, it gets pretty wierd)
It IS a womens rights issue, because it affects the way men see women and since this gets wayyyyyyyyy more exposure than your average girl asking for an autograph on a sheet of paper it doesnt matter it was only one girl. She is basically doing it for her own attention, but what happens next time when a guy asks "can I sign on your boobs?" It might create an awkward or worse situation.
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nice tits
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On April 05 2011 23:11 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 22:45 SharkSpider wrote:On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is. This has nothing to do with women's rights. The girl in the picture decided to go up and ask two of the "stars" of our community to sign her chest. The reason there's ridicule being directed at people trying to defend women's rights is not because people in this community to not believe in them, it's because they don't see this as a women's rights issue. It is simply naive and somewhat conceited to assume that people who don't think this is a women's rights issue are inherently sexist. This whole argument just screams high horse, and there aren't any posts here that really highlight why this is any different than literally any other case in society where people recognize the fact that men are attracted to breasts. To put it in perspective, girls do not need to do these things to be part of the SC2 community. Nobody is asking female gamers to act like fangirls, nobody is asking them to get their bodies signed or anything. In fact, a lot of the men in the community could be called fangirls, if we really wanted to go that far. They do things that any pro sports community would ridicule, at least. The fact is that one person wanted to do something that's considered a little edgy, (and yes, attractive) in other sports scenes, so power to her. If you want to promote sex equality in Starcraft, you encourage female gamers to go out and compete at high levels. Most fans and watchers aren't anywhere near pro level anyways, so judging the actions of one girl at a massive gaming event is pretty hypocritical, if you aren't going to look at all the stuff male fans are doing, too. (Trust me, it gets pretty wierd) It IS a womens rights issue, because it affects the way men see women and since this gets wayyyyyyyyy more exposure than your average girl asking for an autograph on a sheet of paper it doesnt matter it was only one girl. She is basically doing it for her own attention, but what happens next time when a guy asks "can I sign on your boobs?" It might create an awkward or worse situation.
Holy CRAP. Relax. You are so fucking sensitive to this, WHY?? She asked them. No guy asks a girl to sign their boobs.
ITS JUST BOOBS. Not only that; its just her fucking cleavage. Write another essay about it because nobody is going to care or read it.
also; get laid.
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On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 15:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On April 05 2011 06:08 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 06:03 dakalro wrote:On April 05 2011 05:51 stephls wrote:On April 05 2011 04:40 eot wrote:
Hey look, there was an attention whore at MLG :| Agreed! This is a terrible portrayal of girl gamers/fans. And I really dislike the comments like "gotta love girl gamers". This is degrading, no matter who is doing the signing. Hahaha. Really, she wanted to get the autographs, who named you morals officer of the girl gamers? You seem like you would want to come out as a equal rights & shit dude but you only come out as an oppressor, defining what is right or wrong for a person to do. Stop thinking in terms of PC, it's in most cases a loss of freedom and wrong. If she really wanted the autographs, she would have gotten them on something that she could keep. I don't want to start any type of argument. As a woman, I am offended by the picture and all the posts that follow, except for the posts that point out how ridiculous it is. Obviously, since majority of you are male, most will disagree with me and I would lose any argument I try to make. I'm just saying, as a girl gamer, I don't want all girl gamers to be portrayed as sex symbols. You wouldnt have to worry about that if there werent so many complete idiots in the community. Honestly what you should worry about is not her, its that either people are stupid enough to think that just because 1 person behaves a certain way (which, btw, seems like a completely acceptable way to behave to me but I understand if its not something you are interested in), everyone willl... Or you might be wrong and this wont do much of anything for "girl gamers", in either direction. ... Obviously, no one forced this woman to do this. She can and will do whatever she wants and I'm sure it was fun for her. More power to her. Hell, I'm jealous she even met Huk. I'm just more saddened by the posts that followed. Thought this was a more respectful community. I've learned that this isn't an issue that can be discussed on TL. Too many opposing forces, but there are people here that agree with me. To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. Show nested quote +The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is.
That's quite the backtrack. Glad to see you agree that it doesn't matter. Unfortunately you followed it up with a complete contradiction.
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On April 05 2011 23:06 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 18:14 Aberu wrote:
All this arguing about sexism is kinda ridiculous. Honestly, the feminists in the 60s were burning bras, and wearing skimpier clothing because the moral nagging crowd was trying to tell them how to behave. The girl that complained, Stephls was it? I kind of agree, this might not be the best choice she could make if she was wanting to be respected. But there are also girls that just do things for fun. It was probably fun, and that's why she wanted her boobs signed. Just like when a guy goes on a friend-date with a female with no hopes of reproduction, etc... It's a bad decision, not productive, will end up giving him blue balls, but it's what he wanted to do, and he was exercising his freedom to do so. If everything us humans had to do, had to comform to everyone else's moral codes, nothing would ever get done. The point is that "fun" is a bad excuse, because we do not live alone. People are citing "freedom" or "its just for fun" as reasons for not having to consider the consequences of their actions. Sure the women of the 60s were burning their bras, but what did they trade for it? Super skimpy clothes and plastic surgery for bigger boobs just so they can present ever more of their "attributes" to men in a competition to please the men. The way I see it they traded one supposed evil for a real evil because through the ever present boobs in our societies and the loose ways in which people treat sex we have lost so much. Especially the second one has disadvanteges only for women. The bottom line is that everyone of us is part of a society and whatever we do - unless it is behind closed doors - affects the people around us. Does anyone have the right to walk over the feelings of other people? If your society thinks it is acceptable for girls to let their boobs be signed by people then by all means do it, but DONT expect everyone else to follow you with that.
Couple things, here. First, it was men forcing women to keep it covered up, now it's men supposedly forcing women to show it off. Honestly, I sincerely wonder what has to happen for people to be satisfied. The only answers I've heard have been to fundamentally change what people are attracted to. As long as you have a society where people want more sex than they're getting, you're going to have people talking about fairness and equality between sexes, and I don't think you can say that society now is any more evil than previous incarnations of the same aspects of human nature. No hate, but most of what I've seen of modern feminism is plenty of "this is bad" and very little of "this is what it should look like."
As far as your last point goes, responsibility and rights. It's a two way street. If you want the right to have freedoms to perform actions, you do have the responsibility to avoid infringing on the rights of people to be protected from those actions. At the same time, society can't function if it constantly bends to the tyranny that could be associated with people who demand that rights are taken away from others because they are easily offended. So yes, I do claim to have the right to walk over the feelings of other people, if what they're asking me to do amounts to something that I deem ridiculous. Sure, I'm not getting all my buddies together for a bondage bash inside the local mall, (even if I wanted to, I wouldn't, out of respect for fellow mall-goers), but if someone came in to TL asking everyone politely to avoid any talk of feminism because it hurts their feelings to see it, I sincerely doubt that your stance on stepping on feelings would remain the same as the one you posted.
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To preface, I am female too.
It's not offensive to me that she got her boobs signed and posted the picture. Whatever.
It IS offensive the number of comments saying she's fat, ugly, a whore, etc. WTF? In my opinion she looks pretty normal sized, but even if she were fat that's no excuse. When you see a person (male or female) on the street who isn't very attractive, do you shout about that to their face? I bet not, it's just plain rude and mean. It's equally unacceptable here.
And the "OMG it's a GIRL!" thing in the SC community does feel really weird.
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On April 05 2011 23:11 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 22:45 SharkSpider wrote:On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is. This has nothing to do with women's rights. The girl in the picture decided to go up and ask two of the "stars" of our community to sign her chest. The reason there's ridicule being directed at people trying to defend women's rights is not because people in this community to not believe in them, it's because they don't see this as a women's rights issue. It is simply naive and somewhat conceited to assume that people who don't think this is a women's rights issue are inherently sexist. This whole argument just screams high horse, and there aren't any posts here that really highlight why this is any different than literally any other case in society where people recognize the fact that men are attracted to breasts. To put it in perspective, girls do not need to do these things to be part of the SC2 community. Nobody is asking female gamers to act like fangirls, nobody is asking them to get their bodies signed or anything. In fact, a lot of the men in the community could be called fangirls, if we really wanted to go that far. They do things that any pro sports community would ridicule, at least. The fact is that one person wanted to do something that's considered a little edgy, (and yes, attractive) in other sports scenes, so power to her. If you want to promote sex equality in Starcraft, you encourage female gamers to go out and compete at high levels. Most fans and watchers aren't anywhere near pro level anyways, so judging the actions of one girl at a massive gaming event is pretty hypocritical, if you aren't going to look at all the stuff male fans are doing, too. (Trust me, it gets pretty wierd) It IS a womens rights issue, because it affects the way men see women and since this gets wayyyyyyyyy more exposure than your average girl asking for an autograph on a sheet of paper it doesnt matter it was only one girl. She is basically doing it for her own attention, but what happens next time when a guy asks "can I sign on your boobs?" It might create an awkward or worse situation.
Are you kidding? No progamer is going to ask a random chick if he can sign her boobs. If it happens, you can come back here, quote this, and shove it in my face, and maybe I'll make a youtube video about how wrong I was on the internet, but... no way. That is absolutely not a statement you can defend.
And yeah, it got exposure. The community is largely male, males are attracted by female breasts, and as far as I can tell from the picture, that pair isn't all that bad. You don't need a PHD is psychology to know that if you put it out there, people are gonna look, and people are gonna comment. Feel free to ask your fellow TLers to not look at the female chest with two "local" progamers' signatures on it. It's edgy, edgy stuff gets views on the internet.
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This thread is exceptionally sad, pedantic internet nerds critique boobs for +500 damage.
She has nice chest hams, some of us like em with shape and definition regardless, I'd smother myself to death in them.
If you want to see ladyboys just be honest guys and hit up google images.
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On April 05 2011 23:27 Kyamo wrote:
To preface, I am female too.
It's not offensive to me that she got her boobs signed and posted the picture. Whatever.
It IS offensive the number of comments saying she's fat, ugly, a whore, etc. WTF? In my opinion she looks pretty normal sized, but even if she were fat that's no excuse. When you see a person (male or female) on the street who isn't very attractive, do you shout about that to their face? I bet not, it's just plain rude and mean. It's equally unacceptable here.
And the "OMG it's a GIRL!" thing in the SC community does feel really weird.
This.
But i mean; by now you should know that majority of the internet says shit like this to make themselves look better or just to cause a shitstorm.
Looking at most of those type of comments shows that they are relitively new to the TL community. Probably arriving from reddit and shit.
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On April 05 2011 21:59 stephls wrote:(...) To end, I just want quote a PM I received yesterday. Show nested quote +The sad thing is, the fact that you're not able to say anything in defense of women's rights without being subject to criticism and ridicule exemplifies the fact that this community is so patriarchal. I was actually genuinely saddened to see that picture because it would be awesome for sex equality to be promoted in Starcraft as it is a developing sport and reaches a lot of people - male and female alike. A lot of people don't seem to recognise how significant and disappointing that incident actually is.
Let me just say that this has NOTHING to do with women's rights and you have to remember that some members of the community are very lacking in tact. You should take everything that is said with a fairly large grain of salt, for your own sanity.
That being said, I actually agree with your sentiment. These kinds of topics should be confined to blog posts, if that, as no worthwhile discussion can be generated, only kiddie remarks such as "hur dur gotta luv girl gamers/breasts/swoon/etc" or endless bickering about how pointless this thread actually is.
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