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On April 02 2011 17:09 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:44 Maero wrote:
Not worth it at all.
Just in my opinion, but the whole thing seems pretty unprofessional and ran by people with ulterior motives. Ummm, this I don't understand. Ulterior motives? You mean money? Are you suggesting there is something wrong with that? Interesting.
I don't have a problem with people doing things for the purpose of money. I do, however, feel like at least one person involved has made a career out of posturing themselves as a professional player without any real accolades to their name, and abusing that to persuade the newer players to starcraft 2 into giving him undeserved revenue. It seems like a league set up in order to receive more money, without any real input from the outside community - the invite system means that there is a possibility of creating the league and receiving prize money even though there may be more deserving players that were not invited as a result of the system of invitations used in the league. The whole thing just seems rather suspicious, and I would rather not be a part of it. That's all!
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On April 02 2011 17:42 Maero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:09 Defacer wrote:On April 02 2011 16:44 Maero wrote:
Not worth it at all.
Just in my opinion, but the whole thing seems pretty unprofessional and ran by people with ulterior motives. Ummm, this I don't understand. Ulterior motives? You mean money? Are you suggesting there is something wrong with that? Interesting. I don't have a problem with people doing things for the purpose of money. I do, however, feel like at least one person involved has made a career out of posturing themselves as a professional player without any real accolades to their name, and abusing that to persuade the newer players to starcraft 2 into giving him undeserved revenue. It seems like a league set up in order to receive more money, without any real input from the outside community - the invite system means that there is a possibility of creating the league and receiving prize money even though there may be more deserving players that were not invited as a result of the system of invitations used in the league. The whole thing just seems rather suspicious, and I would rather not be a part of it. That's all!
Feels to me you actually do not know that person very well.
If you did, you actually would know that he or she is a very talented gamer and has gaming achievements under his belt.
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I wonder why I never had to pay for anything back in the BW days and now suddenly I'm supposed to dish out cash to even watch vods in nice quality...
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On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? How about live casting of the best players playing in a lag free studio environment, with a live audience. Like, you know, the GSL? Pretty silly question.
That's a little bit shortsighted. The GSL can do what they do mainly because of the fact that all the teams, players, and events in Korea are centered around Seoul. Not to mention that it's far more culturally acceptable in Korea to have a live audience for a daily tournament. If we want the NASL to be just like the GSL, the ONLY way we can do it is by supporting them, and we support them by buying the $25 pass.
I've read a few posts in here that say "all the money from this is going straight to the greedy organizers" which is likely very far from the truth. I'd be VERY shocked if this first NASL turns a profit at all. It is much more likely that, like most organizations, they will take the money they get from us and invest it into future tournaments.
Some of us here seem hell bent on making sure the NASL fails and that all broadcast SC2 is only in South Korea. How about instead of the "wait and see" attitude, we support what NASL is trying to do, which is to bring competitive SC2 to North America. Even if you don't like the way they run things (which I will admit, I have a few problems with it), you can offer constructive criticism instead of saying "GSL does it this way, so that's how it should be." It's simply not practical for them to be exactly like GSL.
We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free.
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I think when/if it becomes an open tourney system with bo3's from the 1st round then it'd be worth paying maybe $15 at most as long as subsequent seasons where significantly cheaper like how GSL does it.
I don't see the attraction of watching essentially invite only tourneys, open ones where new players get the chance to come up is always more interesting as a spectator.
In a business sense they should have made it $5 gotten loads of subscriptions(not that actually need many as it costs very little(essentially next to nothing other then hiring some empty room with a net connection + a good couple pc's to run i'm sure) and thus gotten a base to get repeat subscriptions with.
If its about the players quality i'd get to watch then I can just watch them in the many many weekly/daily free tourneys in the final rounds regularly anyways.
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On April 02 2011 17:51 MaKfejA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free.
Please don't speak for everyone. I have no interest watching SC2 on tv, because in the end, everything with mainstream audience turns to mainstream shit.
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I won't buy the pass initially, but not because of the price or the possibility of ads.
Right now, I have zero idea how the NASL will look / work out and how good or bad the quality of the games and the coverage will be. They've had both very good PR (invited players, passionate organizers) and bad one as well (horrible quality showmatch, vague forum posts about the whole thing) so I'll wait and see.
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$25 for 3 months (less than $2 per week!) is great value. If you can't afford it, or want to wait to see if it's good enough to warrant your money, that's perfectly reasonable, but for those complaining about paying for something and still getting ads, that's exactly what MLG does, GSL even has the odd add now and then, and almost every subscription-based TV channel in existence still carries a Metric Shit-Ton (tm) of ads.
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On April 02 2011 17:57 RoyalCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:51 MaKfejA wrote:On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free. Please don't speak for everyone. I have no interest watching SC2 on tv, because in the end, everything with mainstream audience turns to mainstream shit.
Well obviously, you're not on this side of the world ;D
Honestly, who said being on TV had to be mainstream? It can still have a very niche audience.
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On April 02 2011 18:01 warshop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:57 RoyalCheese wrote:On April 02 2011 17:51 MaKfejA wrote:On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free. Please don't speak for everyone. I have no interest watching SC2 on tv, because in the end, everything with mainstream audience turns to mainstream shit. Well obviously, you're not on this side of the world ;D Honestly, who said being on TV had to be mainstream? It can still have a very niche audience.
Ouch! Depends where you define the "middle" of the world :D Aight, fair enough. I just hear so many people these days calling for everything to be mainstream that i just assumed MaKfejA was one of them.
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It's not that it's expensive, it's pretty good in my opinion, but at the moment i'm extremely short on cash so i probably won't be able to buy a ticket, i couldn't even go for the last two GSL tickets.
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I'll talk with some people who buy it after a few games to decide. Price doesn't seem unreasonable, as long as production is good (and I bet it will be).
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On April 02 2011 18:03 RoyalCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 18:01 warshop wrote:On April 02 2011 17:57 RoyalCheese wrote:On April 02 2011 17:51 MaKfejA wrote:On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free. Please don't speak for everyone. I have no interest watching SC2 on tv, because in the end, everything with mainstream audience turns to mainstream shit. Well obviously, you're not on this side of the world ;D Honestly, who said being on TV had to be mainstream? It can still have a very niche audience. Ouch! :D Aight, fair enough. I just hear so many people these days calling for everything to be mainstream that i just assumed MaKfejA was one of them.
Indeed, so many people have been generalizing 
Much love my fellow SC2 friend. I'm visiting Prague in a month, I can't wait! Heard so many good things about it 
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My price limit is at 15 dollars I would say. I will probably not be able to catch all games anyways so... I would've prefferred soe type of way to, at the end of the season, pay for the number of actual games you've watched.
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OP should update as they have changed it to:
» Zero commercial interruption
On the Jtv subscription page
20$ for so many hours of conetent seems more than fair to me.
especially when they also offer a free stream and not arm twisting you to pay to watch.
EDIT: My post is a general one and not meant to anyone specific.
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On April 02 2011 18:08 ParasitJonte wrote:
My price limit is at 15 dollars I would say. I will probably not be able to catch all games anyways so... I would've prefferred soe type of way to, at the end of the season, pay for the number of actual games you've watched.
15 dollars per month?
Or 5 dollars per month (that won't even buy you a GSL subscription)?
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First I would like to see if they can manage their stream better than MLG yesterday...
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I don't know what you guys are complaining about. $20 is approximately €14 ... that's like one shitty movie with popcorn you don't have to see. ^^
Is there any way to purchase this without a credit card?
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On April 02 2011 17:51 MaKfejA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 17:26 vrok wrote:On April 02 2011 17:22 MaKfejA wrote:
$25 is actually less than GSL, guys. GSL is $10/month, this is $25/3 months. Even an eight year old could do the math. Higher quality stream, good time, good players. What more can you ask for? How about live casting of the best players playing in a lag free studio environment, with a live audience. Like, you know, the GSL? Pretty silly question. That's a little bit shortsighted. The GSL can do what they do mainly because of the fact that all the teams, players, and events in Korea are centered around Seoul. Not to mention that it's far more culturally acceptable in Korea to have a live audience for a daily tournament. If we want the NASL to be just like the GSL, the ONLY way we can do it is by supporting them, and we support them by buying the $25 pass. I've read a few posts in here that say "all the money from this is going straight to the greedy organizers" which is likely very far from the truth. I'd be VERY shocked if this first NASL turns a profit at all. It is much more likely that, like most organizations, they will take the money they get from us and invest it into future tournaments. Some of us here seem hell bent on making sure the NASL fails and that all broadcast SC2 is only in South Korea. How about instead of the "wait and see" attitude, we support what NASL is trying to do, which is to bring competitive SC2 to North America. Even if you don't like the way they run things (which I will admit, I have a few problems with it), you can offer constructive criticism instead of saying "GSL does it this way, so that's how it should be." It's simply not practical for them to be exactly like GSL. We all have a vision of E-Sports where we can watch StarCraft on TV during primetime on this side of the world. To do that the people who run the major tournaments need money and viewers. A lot of viewers will attract more sponsors, who will in turn promote the NASL, which will bring in more viewers, and attract more sponsors. Then, and only then, will it be acceptable for tournaments like the NASL to be run live, daily, in a studio with a live audience for free.
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, you're probably mostly correct. I am saying though that GSL provides a far superior product that NASL can't compete with at all. NASL is closer to competing with free streams/VODs. If I only have time/money/interest for one, I would be stupid to pick NASL over GSL.
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Does no one here pay for TV? Cable and satelite have been charging for years and showing more and more commercials. When i watch a TV show from the states there is always twice as many commercial breaks as it would have on UK TV, hell they even stop the game in Football (american) to have commercials lol.
NASL has to pay the bills, if they will show ads on the free stream they will on the paid one too. Nothing wrong with that, GOM costs $10 per month, NASL $25 for 3 months, both have commercials and no one complained about GOM having ads when it dropped the season ticket price by half. The Open seasons cost $20 each, unless you had paid for the previous season. Now whether you had last season or not its $10.
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