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On March 16 2011 14:09 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 14:07 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 16 2011 13:56 rysecake wrote:On March 16 2011 13:50 cheesemaster wrote:On March 16 2011 13:45 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:39 cheesemaster wrote:On March 16 2011 13:22 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:16 red4ce wrote:
I wanna know if the 'No Koreans' camp is against Jinro playing in the NASL also. Jinro lives in Korea, is Korean trained, is participating in the GSL code S, is as skilled as the best Koreans, and has said he plans on staying in Korea in the near future. Much like MC/MVP/Nestea, if Jinro played in the NASL he'd roll his way through the tournament until he plays against Idra. The only difference between him and the other Koreans is his country of origin and his fluency in English. Of course not Jinro speaks fluent english and has a western background. Hes way more marketable in the west than a person like MC, MKP, or even Slayers_Boxer. There I said it. You will have a much easier time marketing jinro to the west than you would even some one as legendary as boxer. Little Joe Swede is far more likely to look up to Jinro than Boxer, just like a korean is more likely to look up to boxer. NASL is not looking to sell anything in Korea atleast not yet theyre looking for what will sell in Europe America and koreans wont sell shit past the already ordained. Im sure jinro would agree with me, i bet you more people still look up to boxer than to him, if people knew boxer's background (something this league intends to provide) im sure they would feel the same way as boxer fans everywhere, i only started becoming a esports fan during sc2, i didnt really know who boxer was i watched him in the gsl, heard he was legendary and loved his style (first game i watched of his was when he won against nada in season 2) then i looked him up and started watching alot of his legendary games fromm back in the day now i am the biggest boxer fan. Boxer just has so much history and content to go off of. Just because someone is white doesnt mean they cant look up to someone of another race, that is just ignorant. Id be willing to bet a large sum of money that jinro would be recognized faster than boxer if we put the two on street corners in Sweden, or even most western countries recognition sells. Are there more people looking up to boxer including korea? Hell yes but even jinro should be able to understand name recognition Well the only people that are going to recognize him are Starcraft 2 players that watch the GSL (he wasnt really that well known before the gsl and MLG he was a sub par player at best) and if they watch the gsl then they would know who boxer is so if anything i would say its at least the same and for other european countries same thing and if you include BW fans then obviously boxer is going to have an edge. Boxer has been an international star for the past decade. Honestly like Artosis always says, "If you haven't heard of Boxer, where the hell have you been?" I'd go ahead and bet that money. You're comparing Jinro, a relatively unknown player until recently, to the greatest e sports icon of all time. Don't blame me if you go broke btw. edit: dammit i meant to quote cheesemaster. Sorry. Unfortunately, that's an incredibly optimistic way of looking at things. Nobody knows anything about Boxer aside from people who already pay attention to StarCraft. I love how people assume that celebrities within the community are seen as celebrities throughout the entire world >.> We're not comparing Boxer to celebrities like Britney Spears. We're comparing him to Jinro...
Then don't say he's an international star, and don't assume that if you put him on a random street in Sweden, he would be recognized at all 
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If they prevent Koreans from playing, the NASL will never be taken seriously and will likely flop.
Yes, it's possible that Korean pros won't be as interesting or easy to connect with for new viewers, but the skill they bring will make for matches exciting enough that it won't matter.
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Id like to see more Europeens in the NASL just because i am from Europe. In the GSL im most excited to watch Jinro and Huk cuz they are the foreigners fighting against the mighty koreans. I think the NASL should invite the players they think will give them the most paying costumers this season and future seasons. And i think that will be mostly non-koreans.
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invite only 5 koreans (or maybe 10). koreans have their own tourny, let NASL be for foreigners =D
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On March 16 2011 13:32 desrow wrote:
I really hope as many koreans as possible are invited given the timezone is not too much of a pain. Back in warcraft 3, koreans were everywhere internationally and it was much more fun. Interviews and such were also decent.
This this this, and so much this. I also come from a wc3 background and used to follow WC3L/NGL almost religiously.
Also, NASL should be a league catering to the best of the best. Not some poor "Affirmative Action League" providing equal opportunity to lower skilled players to win big money.No offense to NA players, I'm not talking about lack of talent, but more specifically lower skill due to poorer practice conditions. Doing anything otherwise would make it the pro-scene equivalent of a "Diamond/Plat only tournament, no masters allowed".
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2011 13:57 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 13:42 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:26 DystopiaX wrote:On March 16 2011 13:22 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:16 red4ce wrote:
I wanna know if the 'No Koreans' camp is against Jinro playing in the NASL also. Jinro lives in Korea, is Korean trained, is participating in the GSL code S, is as skilled as the best Koreans, and has said he plans on staying in Korea in the near future. Much like MC/MVP/Nestea, if Jinro played in the NASL he'd roll his way through the tournament until he plays against Idra. The only difference between him and the other Koreans is his country of origin and his fluency in English. Of course not Jinro speaks fluent english and has a western background.
Hes way more marketable in the west than a person like MC, MKP, or even Slayers_Boxer. There I said it. You will have a much easier time marketing jinro to the west than you would even some one as legendary as boxer.
Little Joe Swede is far more likely to look up to Jinro than Boxer, just like a korean is more likely to look up to boxer. NASL is not looking to sell anything in Korea atleast not yet theyre looking for what will sell in Europe America and koreans wont sell shit past the already ordained. Who the hell are you marketing to? The people already in esports and don't care? Some dude isn't going to go on the internet, look at shit, hit the NASL, and then stop because the dude is Asian. If he is, fuck that guy. We already ignore all the racists in our country. Nor is the NASL going to break into the mainstream. It's another SC tourney that will be watched and loved by us on TL, it's not suddenly going to get Joe Schmoe to watch SC. edit- also, foreigners aren't watched by the US? How do you explain all the Hispanic and Japanese players in the MLB? When top teams get the coveted Japanese players no one was like "Fuck this team, I'm not going to watch now that we have a star Japanese player" they were hella excited. What happens if you don't invite any Koreans? Average viewer comes in, thinks "damn these guys are good", watches an IEM and thinks "the GSL is where it's at". You don't invite Koreans, you don't deserve to be called a top-tier competition. All the people in charge of this league have on numerous occasions that their goal for this is to expand e-sports more into the mainstream. This isn't the 'TeamLiquid.net Open" they want you to watch of course but they arent try to sell this to only you. They have stated numerous times that you were too dense to hear that they want to create compelling narratives and background stories for these players to appeal to a wider audience. Koreans by large cant do that for a western audience if they did then GSL would be on espn. Korea did it the right way when the started SC1. They pushed for the narrative focused on players who were marketable who they could put in movies or on posters for teen korean girls to drool over and thats what these NASL guys are after they want a product that they can sell beyond nerds on the tl forums. You can whine and complain how you think its racist and how youre too good for that and how you want this to be about the best players in the world but its not, it was never about bringing the ultimate players around the world because that would already be gsl its about pushing esports into the west. Also the MLB metaphor has already been explained stop bringing it up because youre too damn stupid to figure out why your a freaking moron. I'd tell you why you're wrong but I guess i'm too much of a moron to figure it out. The MLB metaphor is relevant because it proves that the American public doesn't care whether or not the players can speak English or not. Watch an interview; they all use translators. I don't know where you're getting your brood war history but they didn't somehow cherry pick the competition to be the "hottest", they still picked the best. No where in there did I say the NASL SHOULDN'T do their storyline thing, just that I personally believe it wouldn't push mainstream popularity. there's also no reason you can't push Asian players in the U.S. Far East Movement is all Asian and they have several hit songs. Wait, they can't be seen? Well how often do you see the players during a game? Maybe 30 seconds, at most? Wait, but they can't speak English? Several movies have come out to American audiences subbed and they do perfectly fine. Racist girl from UCLA bashes Asians? The internet shuts her down. I don't know where in the US you're pointing to that they're so racist that they won't watch Korean players, and those that are racist are in such a minority that they're inconsequential anyway.
Lets try this one more time for feeling before I give up on your reading comprehension skills.
The MLB metaphor is apple to oranges because the MLB was already an established sports that was until recently the most mainstream of all sports in the US. Everyone already knew about baseball and it had achieved a fantastic level of market saturation infact its exactly like how foreigners went to korea to complete in SC1/2. You know who sells tickets in american sports? Its personalities like Kobe, A Rod, Jordan, Babe Ruth, Tyson.
Now lets take America where this sort of thing is nearly nonexistent outside of some obscure MLG/IEM circuit. The people working on NASL are out to make money, to make money they need a product that sells and preferably one not already tapped. A great way to sell a product especially a new sport is to make it engaging on levels beyond the actual sport and its easier to do this with hometown heroes and rivals that a population will relate to better.
The fact that you think this has anything to do with race of course means youre a bigger fucking retard than i thought.
I've never even heard of Far East Movement but I bet they have more musical talent than Bieber could ever hope to have guess who sells better.
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is a masterpiece of cinema, too bad crap like Avatar blew it out of the water in the US.
These products werent technically better but they were better suited for mass marketing than their eastern equivalents. Just like a swedish company looking to be a sponsor for NASL would be more excited over Jinro playing than Slayers Boxer.
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On March 16 2011 14:07 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 13:56 ZeromuS wrote:On March 16 2011 13:42 cheesemaster wrote:On March 16 2011 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
I for one just don't want to see NASL be GSL Alternate. I know foreigners went to GSL for the same reasons Koreans want to come to NASL but IMO if we allow all koreans who want in in then we won't really see SC2 grow in NA and we won't foster a higher level of skill among the players. Part of the reason for the NASL is to see NA players get more exposure and improve their overall skill by growing esports. We can't do that if the league is filled with top koreans who dominate and become the majority of the NASL players over time.
I feel that Korean players whose only interest isn't in winning some money and learning 5 words in englishshould be invited .
I mean foreigners go to Korea to play in a major tournament, maybe win some money, explore a new country but most importantly grow as players. I don't feel that Koreans can come to NA to grow as players tbh, to me its more of a cash grab since they expect to win. I mean someone like Cella who interacts with the NA community and the foreigner scene is cool as he wants to help e-sports and starcraft here as well whereas someone like MOON would probably only be in it for the money unless he really makes a commitment to improving the over all skill level of the NA community and chooses to say something more than "koreans own white dudes" after winning :/ come on they made moon say that, he didnt choose to say it. I doubt he even knew what it meant he didnt even pronounce it properly. Also we wont foster a higher level of skill? So by not inviting the best players in the world and having the west try to compete at the highest possible level that doesnt foster a higher level of skill among players? that doesnt even make any sense We will probably not see pro-gaming houses if the NA or EU players dont get a chance to take part in the NASL due to it being predominantly played by Koreans. Why would you as a company endorse a team like EG or FNATIC or ROOT to have them support individuals in a team house when that team will probably not get much exposure in the NASL when the market you are trying to reach is based in NA or EU. At that point why not sponsor some of the korean teams and players who take part in the NASL since that will get you more exposure. More exposure of NA players will increase the likelihood for sponsorship and team houses to get established. The team house and practice situation is IMO the main thing holding back NA and EU. Half the koreans who play sc2 would be nothing without their team and the team house is an important aspect of why they are so good. By making the sponsorship more lucrative for companies to support establised korean teams, why would they put money into the NA teams? I mean even liquid has to double up with oGs in order have its players in Korea stand a chance like Jinro and HuK. I feel IdrA is probably the exception to being solid and great by living on his own in Korea. Even then, in a team house I'm sure his play would have really improved above that which we have seen yet. I;m not saying to exclude Korean players but we really need to be careful not to invite the entire cast of the GSL to play in the NASL since to invite the "best players" would involve inviting a TON of the GSL players and GSTL players we have seen. Im not saying let it be an all korean tournament, im saying let 10 -15 MAX of the best koreans compete in the tournament i dont think anyone in this thread thinks that the NASL should be predominantly koreans as you put it, but just as their will representation fromm europe their should be representation from korea, if you have 20 players from europe and korea then thats still 30 north american players and id still be pretty hard pressed to name 30 NA players who are at that top skill level and truely deserve to be in the NASL id have an easier time if i added in a few more european players though ^^
I am ok with this position ^^im ok with representation but to do that a limit must be placed no matter how arbitrary and give preference to players with some english skills over none so they can interact more easily or get a great translator 
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Why wouldn't you invite South Koreans? Frankly, they're the best players in the world right now. I, like other viewers, expect to see the best of the best pitied against each other. This incites better games from foreigners and Koreans. Invite the best, and don't prejudice towards koreans just because they are better.
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On March 16 2011 14:15 da_head wrote:
invite only 5 koreans (or maybe 10). koreans have their own tourny, let NASL be for foreigners =D
But you are wrong, koreans dont have their own tourny. They are a part of GSL, which is global, and anyone has a chance to qualify.
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To be honest, I think that including only lower level Koreans or no Koreans at all would be very detrimental to NASL's viewership.
A lot of people only follow GSL and could care less about top foreigners. Even though I recognize a lot of top foreigner names, I do not follow them and certainly cannot recall any memorable games of them except for a handful.
Because they simply do not play the game at as high a level as Koreans in GSL and better players = better entertainment for me.
So if the NASL WANTS to be entertaining, have solid viewership, be taken seriously, and have good games . . . then invite top Koreans. Invite some Code A Koreans.
Invite as many Koreans as are qualified to be roughly in the top 50 in the world (probably somewhere around 40-45).
I thought TL people were sooo confident that foreigners are just as good as Koreans. Now they seem quite shaky.
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Some of the posts in this threads make the Koreans sounds so hostile. They are not.
Yes there is language barrier. But while I was in Korea, they do try to talk to you if you talk to them. A lot of the Korean players are just shy to use English but they CAN speak English.
I don't know why language is an issue. How will it lower entertainment value? They don't cast their own games.
I'm sure if anything, it's good to have them play. The skill level difference NA and EU will improve as well in general to match up to how the Koreans play.
To be honest, even if you invite them they might not want to play as well, and some of them might just want focus on GSL.
Overall, if a "ban" was set on Korean players, I think it might be unfair because GSL welcomed foreigners.
NASL should definitely consider Koreans to play in it.
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The idea of inviting specific Koreans that have storylines or community ties behind them seems really good, even if they're not the best code S GSL champions. I'd really like to see people like Cella in the NASL.
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On March 16 2011 14:24 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 14:15 da_head wrote:
invite only 5 koreans (or maybe 10). koreans have their own tourny, let NASL be for foreigners =D But you are wrong, koreans dont have their own tourny. They are a part of GSL, which is global, and anyone has a chance to qualify.
However, unlike the NASL, it's offline so you have to stay in Korea indefinitely.
Were it online, I wouldnt be surprised if there were more foreigners in it.
(Im all for Koreans in NASL though, just pointing this out)
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Even with a huge prize pool, if the player list doesn't boast the best players in the world (regardless of nationality and originating country) then the tournament won't gather as much momentum as it could/should.
Idra or someone really good may take the tournament and then everyone will be like "well thats great but if NesTea/MVP/MC were there...".
You don't get better unless you play against the best.
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On March 16 2011 14:32 kellymilkies wrote:
Some of the posts in this threads make the Koreans sounds so hostile. They are not.
Yes there is language barrier. But while I was in Korea, they do try to talk to you if you talk to them. A lot of the Korean players are just shy to use English but they CAN speak English.
I don't know why language is an issue. How will it lower entertainment value? They don't cast their own games.
I'm sure if anything, it's good to have them play. The skill level difference NA and EU will improve as well in general to match up to how the Koreans play.
To be honest, even if you invite them they might not want to play as well, and some of them might just want focus on GSL.
Overall, if a "ban" was set on Korean players, I think it might be unfair because GSL welcomed foreigners.
NASL should definitely consider Koreans to play in it.
kelly speaks the truth
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On March 16 2011 14:20 abominare wrote:
You know who sells tickets in american sports? Its personalities like Kobe, A Rod, Jordan, Babe Ruth, Tyson.
The problem being, they were pretty much also some of the best players in their respective sports. American sports don't blindly focus on who has the most personality beyond tabloids and 15-seconds-of-fame news reels. The real audience attractors are those players who combine talent and personality. They are the ones who make fans go to every game. Because not only are they entertaining to watch, they are also among the top in their sport.
It's very easy for an American sports figure to fall from grace if their personality doesn't mesh with their level of talent. Americans aren't that stupid.
Going for personality while ignoring talent is just as bad as going purely for talent while ignoring marketability. And let's not pretend all Koreans don't have a personality suitable for Western tourneys.
oGsMC would be a perfect fit in NASL. Wonderful competitive personality. Confident. And very emotive when he wins or loses.
Similarly, FruitDealer's storyline or SanZenith's military/cinderella storyline probably outshines most typical Western players in emotional depth.
The Koreans and GSL didn't paint all non-Koreans with the same brush.
At the very least, we can extend them the same courtesy and evaluate every Korean invitation and NASL application video with the same level of consideration that we would give anyone else.
Namely, if we're judging NA and EU players by personality and storyline, we should do the same for Koreans, regardless of their nationality.
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Some of the things stated in this thread are absolutely pathetic. What ever happened to the best of the best duking it out for glory? What ever happened to people pouring their hearts and souls in the game they love to achieve greatness?
NASL should do nothing but chose the best players out of the available applicant pool. If that means that the majority of the players are Koreans, then so be it. Every player worth a damn will say the same thing, even if it means his exclusion. This is a COMPETITIVE game. Players play for the competition, not to shy away from it. Jinro, Haypro, Huk, TLO, Ret... they didn't go to Korea for easy money. They went to play with and against the best. They would have made tons of money by just staying in NA or EU and dominating local tournaments. Every player who would have had the opportunity to go to Korea and participate would have done so. If the players don't have this competitive mentality, then they will not last one second in a world where there are many people doing what you are doing, and they have this mentality.
I question all the spectators as to why you turn on the stream and watch SC2. Some will say they enjoy following and cheering on their favorite player. This is perfectly acceptable, but I don't think he would be your favorite player if he wasn't a strong player. People can be patriotic, and that is fine. However, I hope that most people watch to witness great play between great players. To see two individuals battling it out and trying to make use of their hours of practice. To see two players put everything on the line. To see two players try to be creative and resourceful where others would fail. Why do we watch SC2 over minesweeper? Because we love this RTS game. However, to appreciate an RTS game, you have to, at some level, appreciate the strategy. If the players are in a BitByBit syndrome, NONE of you will ever ever ever like that player or want him to be part of the league. Why? Because he is inadequate at the game and it just isn't fun to watch. There is no strategy. When you watch the GSL, you see high level play that sets the standard for every player. To go backwards in this regard is terrible for any competitive sport. The NBA isn't glad that MJ is gone and saying "it's okay, we have Ron Artest... he is a real character!". The skill level needs to be pushed higher and higher in EVERY region for this game to grow and become the phenomenon that Brood War was, and more.
And to those who believe that if the best players are chosen, all of them will be Korea and it will just be a GSL. One, a US based tournament that is even somewhat comparable to the GSL is a HUGE HUGE HUGE deal. I'm not even sure we're in the position of power to just side that off as something bad. Secondly, the GSL is not accessible to a lot of NA players or EU players who have other commitments (one easy example is Tyler). The NASL would be a great motivator for many players to become better and better and surpass the Koreans. The GSL promotes foreigner participation by giving them a free place to stay, and 4 free seeds into Code A. The NASL should also be willing to promote (relative) foreigner participation (Euros, Koreans, Australians, etc.) to help grow this game.
I cannot even fathom how this is a 50+ page thread. If you have the opinion that Koreans should be excluded, then your opinion is simply WRONG.
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Setting a restriction on Korean players defeats the entire purpose of a Starleague, and that purpose is to nourish eSports through structured competition. We should be striving to host the Olympics, not the NHL.
It would make the entire NA Starcraft scene a 4th Grade soccer league; no 5th graders allowed.
We should not be artificially choking out the best players in the world just so our home team can look better.
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Invite a few Koreans that stand out would be the best choice. Moon, GuineaPig, Squirtle etc.
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On March 16 2011 14:20 abominare wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2011 13:57 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 13:42 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:26 DystopiaX wrote:On March 16 2011 13:22 abominare wrote:On March 16 2011 13:16 red4ce wrote:
I wanna know if the 'No Koreans' camp is against Jinro playing in the NASL also. Jinro lives in Korea, is Korean trained, is participating in the GSL code S, is as skilled as the best Koreans, and has said he plans on staying in Korea in the near future. Much like MC/MVP/Nestea, if Jinro played in the NASL he'd roll his way through the tournament until he plays against Idra. The only difference between him and the other Koreans is his country of origin and his fluency in English. Of course not Jinro speaks fluent english and has a western background.
Hes way more marketable in the west than a person like MC, MKP, or even Slayers_Boxer. There I said it. You will have a much easier time marketing jinro to the west than you would even some one as legendary as boxer.
Little Joe Swede is far more likely to look up to Jinro than Boxer, just like a korean is more likely to look up to boxer. NASL is not looking to sell anything in Korea atleast not yet theyre looking for what will sell in Europe America and koreans wont sell shit past the already ordained. Who the hell are you marketing to? The people already in esports and don't care? Some dude isn't going to go on the internet, look at shit, hit the NASL, and then stop because the dude is Asian. If he is, fuck that guy. We already ignore all the racists in our country. Nor is the NASL going to break into the mainstream. It's another SC tourney that will be watched and loved by us on TL, it's not suddenly going to get Joe Schmoe to watch SC. edit- also, foreigners aren't watched by the US? How do you explain all the Hispanic and Japanese players in the MLB? When top teams get the coveted Japanese players no one was like "Fuck this team, I'm not going to watch now that we have a star Japanese player" they were hella excited. What happens if you don't invite any Koreans? Average viewer comes in, thinks "damn these guys are good", watches an IEM and thinks "the GSL is where it's at". You don't invite Koreans, you don't deserve to be called a top-tier competition. All the people in charge of this league have on numerous occasions that their goal for this is to expand e-sports more into the mainstream. This isn't the 'TeamLiquid.net Open" they want you to watch of course but they arent try to sell this to only you. They have stated numerous times that you were too dense to hear that they want to create compelling narratives and background stories for these players to appeal to a wider audience. Koreans by large cant do that for a western audience if they did then GSL would be on espn. Korea did it the right way when the started SC1. They pushed for the narrative focused on players who were marketable who they could put in movies or on posters for teen korean girls to drool over and thats what these NASL guys are after they want a product that they can sell beyond nerds on the tl forums. You can whine and complain how you think its racist and how youre too good for that and how you want this to be about the best players in the world but its not, it was never about bringing the ultimate players around the world because that would already be gsl its about pushing esports into the west. Also the MLB metaphor has already been explained stop bringing it up because youre too damn stupid to figure out why your a freaking moron. I'd tell you why you're wrong but I guess i'm too much of a moron to figure it out. The MLB metaphor is relevant because it proves that the American public doesn't care whether or not the players can speak English or not. Watch an interview; they all use translators. I don't know where you're getting your brood war history but they didn't somehow cherry pick the competition to be the "hottest", they still picked the best. No where in there did I say the NASL SHOULDN'T do their storyline thing, just that I personally believe it wouldn't push mainstream popularity. there's also no reason you can't push Asian players in the U.S. Far East Movement is all Asian and they have several hit songs. Wait, they can't be seen? Well how often do you see the players during a game? Maybe 30 seconds, at most? Wait, but they can't speak English? Several movies have come out to American audiences subbed and they do perfectly fine. Racist girl from UCLA bashes Asians? The internet shuts her down. I don't know where in the US you're pointing to that they're so racist that they won't watch Korean players, and those that are racist are in such a minority that they're inconsequential anyway. Lets try this one more time for feeling before I give up on your reading comprehension skills. The MLB metaphor is apple to oranges because the MLB was already an established sports that was until recently the most mainstream of all sports in the US. Everyone already knew about baseball and it had achieved a fantastic level of market saturation infact its exactly like how foreigners went to korea to complete in SC1/2. You know who sells tickets in american sports? Its personalities like Kobe, A Rod, Jordan, Babe Ruth, Tyson. Now lets take America where this sort of thing is nearly nonexistent outside of some obscure MLG/IEM circuit. The people working on NASL are out to make money, to make money they need a product that sells and preferably one not already tapped. A great way to sell a product especially a new sport is to make it engaging on levels beyond the actual sport and its easier to do this with hometown heroes and rivals that a population will relate to better. The fact that you think this has anything to do with race of course means youre a bigger fucking retard than i thought. I've never even heard of Far East Movement but I bet they have more musical talent than Bieber could ever hope to have guess who sells better. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is a masterpiece of cinema, too bad crap like Avatar blew it out of the water in the US. These products werent technically better but they were better suited for mass marketing than their eastern equivalents. Just like a swedish company looking to be a sponsor for NASL would be more excited over Jinro playing than Slayers Boxer.
I remember going to see the Lakers long before Kobe Bryant joined the team. I'll go to them after he retires also. Those people you listed are just icons of the sport they play and they came into their own. There wasn't some ringmaster that decided "let's fix this so these guys are the ones on top of their sport so people buy our tickets or watch whatever sport we are promoting."
People are aware of professional gaming in the United States. It's just a lot of them cbf to watch someone else play a video game. That's the big hurdle that has to be overcome for esport to take over NBA, MLB, NHL etc. I don't think excluding international players from participation in NASL is gonna really win America over and this suddenly becomes national overnight with all the major networks calling Xeris.
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