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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On March 03 2011 16:34 esaul17 wrote: I've read that...I'm not sure what point you are making by posting it, sorry. The point is if the koreans want to play in this league its up to them to contact the nasl guys and not the other way around. Pretty simple isnt it ?. Xeris etc shouldnt be running after the koreans holding their hands for every step. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 03 2011 16:43 smileyyy wrote: The point is if the koreans want to play in this league its up to them to contact the nasl guys and not the other way around. Pretty simple isnt it ?. Xeris etc shouldnt be running after the koreans holding their hands for every step. I think given their close relationships with some Korean players, at least some will be getting this information via the TL guys in Korea or even Xeph (the guy who streams STC, Dongraegu etc.). It doesn't hurt the league to at least let them know themselves that it is going on though, I mean they choose who are invited in the end anyway...so if they want to make it Western-centric, then so be it... | ||
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kagemucha
United States326 Posts
The point is if the koreans want to play in this league its up to them to contact the nasl guys and not the other way around. Pretty simple isnt it ?. Xeris etc shouldnt be running after the koreans holding their hands for every step. Atleast GSL puts effort in getting Foreigners to come. They have an entire website fully translated in ENGLISH and has created clear and defined rules to getting into GSL as a foreigner (whether it be participating in the Open Qualifiers earlier, or getting into the Foreigner house). NASL isn't providing any type of translation instructions for Koreans, how are Koreans suppose to know what to do? Is there even a Korean speaking representative on NASL where Korean teams can even contact? It's not going to be Geoff on MSN obviously. | ||
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On March 03 2011 16:31 annul wrote: uh, no. firstly, do NOT ad hominem. in fact i probably should not even reply to you, since ad hominems pretty much automatically lose you any argument. but alas. your premise is utterly flawed. a tournament -- a league, even -- has one purpose: determine the best player. if a player wins NASL, they get to say "i was the best player out of this preselected group of 50 players with high charisma and not necessarily the best skill" which is NOT what we need in the west to grow esports. sports fans in the west view it as a meritocracy. who can produce the best results? do you think the NFL recruits players due to their personality? of course not, it's who can run the fastest 40, or who can kick the 50 yard field goals, etc. and yet people still go and still watch? or, perhaps an individual sport is a better example: tennis. do you think if, for example, some random guy beats federer in the semifinals of wimbledon and some other random beats nadal in the other semifinals, that nobody is going to watch the finals? of course they will, because people watch for the sport, not the people. i can watch tennis and not know shit about who is actually playing, but if they can perform well on a technical level, its awesome to see. people sit on their couches and watch march madness for hours on end and the "casual fan" almost certainly knows less than 5% of the people they see on the court on any given day. i think NASL made a huge mistake in their calculation as to what people actually want to see to grow esports in the west. if there is even a chance that the 50th best skilled player with intent to attend is barred due to "charisma" or whatever the hell irrelevant trait they come up with, and in his/her place goes the 51st (or worse) skilled player but with higher charisma, then NASL is a complete joke. ;\ and if some unknown player really was THAT good, they'd have already made a name for themselves winning some other tournament, no? they call it the US Open, but it really isn't open to anyone. you need sponsors, you need a coach, you need to be known. if you are just some nobody who's never done anything before then you don't play in the US Open, simple as that. EVERYONE has had the opportunity to get into the NASL, it's called the huge number of past tournaments. you think someone who placed high in MLG or IEM or whatever isn't going to get invited? do you really think that taking the top 50 placers in some big tournament is going to truly determine the top 50 players? Maybe if this WAS tennis where there's always going to be another tournament a week down the road, that'd be okay even. But when you're talking about practically the make-or-break league for Western Esports so far, you want to get it right. Anyway Xeris already hinted that it's possible they might expand the number of slots from the open tournament, and even if they don't, the top four from first season do automatically get seeded into the next season. | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On March 03 2011 16:52 kagemucha wrote: Atleast GSL puts effort in getting Foreigners to come. They have an entire website fully translated in ENGLISH and has created clear and defined rules to getting into GSL as a foreigner (whether it be participating in the Open Qualifiers earlier, or getting into the Foreigner house). NASL isn't providing any type of translation instructions for Koreans, how are Koreans suppose to know what to do? Is there even a Korean speaking representative on NASL where Korean teams can even contact? It's not going to be Geoff on MSN obviously. I get your point. However the NASL stated themselves that they are not the GSL. So they run the things their way. If you are a korean team and want to participate its up to you. If you have trouble with english get a translator. The NASL is an E-Sports event aimed at the western audience. Why should they have special treatment for koreans ?. GOM just aims as their league name states: Global Starcraft II League at a global audience. NASL = North American Star League Do you see the difference. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On March 03 2011 13:30 bennyaus wrote: You gonna take that Avilo?!? Hahah, fantastic. :D Think of the huge attraction any announced grudge match has always had, NASL has the potential for bringing us tons of that. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On March 03 2011 16:31 annul wrote: uh, no. firstly, do NOT ad hominem. in fact i probably should not even reply to you, since ad hominems pretty much automatically lose you any argument. but alas. your premise is utterly flawed. a tournament -- a league, even -- has one purpose: determine the best player. if a player wins NASL, they get to say "i was the best player out of this preselected group of 50 players with high charisma and not necessarily the best skill" which is NOT what we need in the west to grow esports. sports fans in the west view it as a meritocracy. who can produce the best results? do you think the NFL recruits players due to their personality? of course not, it's who can run the fastest 40, or who can kick the 50 yard field goals, etc. and yet people still go and still watch? or, perhaps an individual sport is a better example: tennis. do you think if, for example, some random guy beats federer in the semifinals of wimbledon and some other random beats nadal in the other semifinals, that nobody is going to watch the finals? of course they will, because people watch for the sport, not the people. i can watch tennis and not know shit about who is actually playing, but if they can perform well on a technical level, its awesome to see. people sit on their couches and watch march madness for hours on end and the "casual fan" almost certainly knows less than 5% of the people they see on the court on any given day. i think NASL made a huge mistake in their calculation as to what people actually want to see to grow esports in the west. if there is even a chance that the 50th best skilled player with intent to attend is barred due to "charisma" or whatever the hell irrelevant trait they come up with, and in his/her place goes the 51st (or worse) skilled player but with higher charisma, then NASL is a complete joke. ;\ It's not about who has "high charisma," but it is about having player who are presentable. In the real world appearances matter. You go to job interviews dressed in suit and tie or formal dress, you watch what you say and you act nice. Asking players to do this in a short video (if this is what you're arguing against, excuse me if I am incorrect in assuming so) is reasonable. Also, it's in NASL's best interests to accept the best players. However, there comes to a point where you're looking at player A and player B and C and D, and there's really no way to tell who's the better player (look at the difficulty in trying to decide how good Code A players are in GSL, or how good foreigners are versus Koreans, or how an individual can go up and down over the course of months). If they choose player C because C seems more charismatic, it sucks for A B and D, but as long as they're not outright discriminating in some way (which I hope they don't), it'll be good for esports. Sports are a form of televised entertainment, so it's about more than just the games themselves. The game comes first, and players who have no charisma or social ability whatsoever should get a chance to walk away with the first place trophy... but creating a filter to keep out the xXxNoobRaper player sounds good to me. If I misunderstood what the prior conversation was about, or if I got too far off-topic, I apologize. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On March 03 2011 17:00 smileyyy wrote: I get your point. However the NASL stated themselves that they are not the GSL. So they run the things their way. If you are a korean team and want to participate its up to you. If you have trouble with english get a translator. The NASL is an E-Sports event aimed at the western audience. Why should they have special treatment for koreans ?. GOM just aims as their league name states: Global Starcraft II League at a global audience. NASL = North American Star League Do you see the difference. I think not having some sort of translated webpage for Koreans would be ridiculous. I say "would be" because I think the only reason there isn't one is because this is still early in NASL's creation... there will be a lot of rough edges until things get smoothed out. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On March 03 2011 17:00 smileyyy wrote: I get your point. However the NASL stated themselves that they are not the GSL. So they run the things their way. If you are a korean team and want to participate its up to you. If you have trouble with english get a translator. The NASL is an E-Sports event aimed at the western audience. Why should they have special treatment for koreans ?. GOM just aims as their league name states: Global Starcraft II League at a global audience. NASL = North American Star League Do you see the difference. Sorry, but what kind of attitude is that? Nobody is asking for "special" treatments for koreans. The community is merely asking for some manners and kindness. NASL could just hire one translator to do the website in korean and just send a mail to Xeph that has contacts with the progamers. Heck, there are probably koreans here on the forums that would do the translation for free (I would do it if I could speak korean, I speak swedish and I would do the translation for free to swedish if there was a demand for it). Isn't that much easier and better for the SC2 community rather than the attitude: "If you are a korean team and want to participate its up to you. If you have trouble with english get a translator." Is that way too much asked? We just want to see good games. Most of us don't care about the nationality of the player, we just want to see the best of the best duke out and if we, as a community, can help out to make this process easier many of us are ready to help out. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
im just hoping we get to see quality players in and not just because their popular. I could see this thing become almost as bad as watching code A in the early GSLs if they base it on that. | ||
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debasers
737 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On March 03 2011 18:01 TheRealPaciFist wrote: I think not having some sort of translated webpage for Koreans would be ridiculous. I say "would be" because I think the only reason there isn't one is because this is still early in NASL's creation... there will be a lot of rough edges until things get smoothed out. I disagree. English is the language of the internet. Like he said, it's an NA tourney, not a Global tourney. Global includes NA, hence GSL's English site. NA does not include Korea, hence no Korean. And saying "just get one translator for the site" is a bit silly. Why not get one Swahili translator? One Farsi translator? One Swedish translator? One Norwegian? German? French? Italian? You could say "But Koreans dominate the scene!" But then that is asking for special treatment. English is the language of the internet, it's generally accepted by everyone outside of China, Korea, and Japan. Edit: This all just reminds me of a WoW vid made by a french guy, in French, with no English subtitles, and Swedish and German people were saying "why isn't this in English? Everyone accepts that as the language of the internet". | ||
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RaptureLights
50 Posts
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Ethic
Canada439 Posts
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bmg4ever
Germany74 Posts
Its a north american league and if a korean really wants to participate then he has to put some effort into his application by himself, like every other player in the world that wants to play in this league. why do koreans need some special babysitter treatement, they are not more stupid then any european or south american or whatever. they don't exclude koreans beforehand, thats 100% fine and everything that is needed. so if some koreans put some effort into it and really want to play in this league, they can. you can't compare GOM and NASL at all, cause GOM tries to sell a product at the international market, their international stream in english. to make that even possible they of course need to have an english translation of their website and they additionally put some effort into being attractive for foreigner players to come and compete to make the league even more exciting to watch for foreigners. NASL is an american based product that for the moment as far as we all know will only try to sell one stream, an english one. if they want to make money in korea and offer a korean stream aswell, you can be 100% sure that they will launch a korean website and will try to attract more koreans to play immediatly, as long as that is not the case there is no need at all to do so. i really hope there wont be any koreans to play at all, cause if there will be some then their count has to be really high to make the league still somewhat attractive. if there would be like only 4 or so koreans competing, the nasl would just be boring and sooo predictable, cause you already know who will be in the semis. if you dont believe me + Show Spoiler + watch IEM global finals | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I think the conplainers in this thread don't understand what's meant by "ESPORTS in the west.". It's not just "having tournaments in the west which are otherwise indistinguishable from gsl.". It means "having a pro scene in the west that can develop teams and players so that korea is no longer the only place where you can really be a professional starcraft player.". I really hope NASL sticks to their guns on this and doesn't give in to pressure from the elitists on TL who don't want to watch anyone but Koreans play. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 03 2011 12:04 godemperor wrote: There will be no invitations, see the Q&A Actually the whole first season is basically an invitation. Only difference players that get invited have to apply first. You cannot call it anything else when there are no OPEN qualifiers to determine the 50 players. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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Doraemon.doraemon
United States335 Posts
I personally have a lot fun watching foreigners duke it out between each other even though it's not the highest skilled games. I am probably in the minority tho, seems like the most of TL is very Hallyu. | ||
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