[NASL] Deadlines and Process - Page 10

On March 03 2011 15:08 Ghin wrote:

If it's all about drama, why is there a deposit and drama fine?

On March 03 2011 18:04 Looky wrote:
hmm i wish this whole thing was simpler. i just think the whole getting in process is sloppy. you got votes, unknown invites, youtube application, and one big tournament to decide 1 person to get in.

im just hoping we get to see quality players in and not just because their popular. I could see this thing become almost as bad as watching code A in the early GSLs if they base it on that.

On March 04 2011 01:35 Momildo wrote:
Wow, such short memories. Everyone talking about GOM House etc. has clearly forgotten that at the start of the GSL there was no such thing. It was: "Open to everyone, just get your ass in Korea!"
After confirming that the international community really was MAKING AN EFFORT to go there and play (or stay up late and watch, in the viewers case), they got organized and created ways to help foreigners.

Now the NASL is getting organized, there is much to do before they find their comfortable spot and I can understand if getting Koreans here is not on the top of the priority list. Lets see if there is Korean interest and let them MAKE AN EFFORT and show that playing in the NASL is what they really want. I'm sure the organizers would then take steps to making it easier for them to come over.

On March 04 2011 00:13 bRuTaL!! wrote:


So those who have a spot/have been invited will also make such a video before locking theyre spot?

On March 04 2011 01:35 Momildo wrote:
... I'm sure the organizers would then take steps to making it easier for them to come over.

On March 04 2011 01:43 ptbl wrote:
You're not telling the whole story. Before there was a foreigner house in Korea, GOM TV paid for the room and board of foreigners who flew to Korea to compete in the open qualifiers of GSL Season 1, 2 and 3. GOM made a concerted effort to have foreigners compete when GSL started. Furthermore, John was on Team Liquid helping answer questions for the foreigners, too. People could pm John and he would get you a motel room in Korea paid by GOM TV, while people tried to qualify for the GSL qualifiers.

On March 04 2011 01:57 strongandbig wrote:




The difference is, NASL is an online tournament. No one has to come over here, except for the offline finals which last for an unspecified amount of time but almost certainly less than a week. For GSL, despite all of the things they did for foreigners, they knew from the start that very few would come to play in their tournament. Sure they help you out... if you are willing to give up your life and move to Korea for a chance to play in their tournament. It was always going to be mostly a Korean tournament, if they really wanted the "best in the world" to play there, they would have had an online tournament and let Europeans and Americans play from their own countries at different times. That's what you're asking NASL to do.

The only way to develop a real progaming scene that isn't just an offshoot of the Korean scene is to have a tournament that gives foreigners a good reason to make progaming houses and dedicate their time to practicing. If you bend yourself over backwards to get Koreans to compete in a tournament, just so that it's more "prestigious," you're ruining the whole point.

IF Koreans had to move to NA to compete in NASL, then the NASL should do everything you're saying to help them out, because that would help esports in the West. They could come over and live in team houses with foreigners and practice with them, like foreigners are doing in Korea. But bending over backwards so Koreans can just phone in from their progaming houses between GSL practice sessions is not going to do anything for professional starcraft in the US and Europe.

On March 03 2011 22:06 strongandbig wrote:
I for one would be unhappy to see more Koreans in this tournament than there are foreigners in the GSL. This league should be used to build up the starcraft / ESPORTS infrastructure in the West. I don't give a shit if the "best players" are not there. The only reason they are "better" is because they have team houses and an economic model that lets them do nothing but practice. There are huge barriers to entry for foreigners in gsl, namely moving to Korea and Code A. If we want any chance in the long run to develop a real pro scene in the west, we need events with comparable barriers to Koreans, or else eventually every pro event will turn into a showcase of the Korean team model.

I think the conplainers in this thread don't understand what's meant by "ESPORTS in the west.". It's not just "having tournaments in the west which are otherwise indistinguishable from gsl.". It means "having a pro scene in the west that can develop teams and players so that korea is no longer the only place where you can really be a professional starcraft player.".

I really hope NASL sticks to their guns on this and doesn't give in to pressure from the elitists on TL who don't want to watch anyone but Koreans play.

On March 04 2011 03:32 Antoine wrote:
My only problem with them not reaching out to the koreans at all is the fact that they are hyping this tournament as including "the best players the world has ever seen". I mean, if it's the NASL and you want the focus to be on NA and maybe some EU, that's fine. But you also have to change the line to "the best players the western world has ever seen" if you want to be telling the truth. It'd be like hyping MLS as being made up of the best players in soccer history otherwise.

All that said, I'm looking forward to seeing the results of the invites, and the application videos.

On March 04 2011 04:40 Xeris wrote:
Hey all! I'd just like to post a quick update and say that we are currently reaching out to some Korean teams & players about participation in the NASL! We appreciate everyone's concern and want to say that we will do what we can to get Koreans in the league and accommodate them as best we can.