Starting spawns on Metalopolis and Shattered Temple have been modified to prevent close ground spawns.

Starting spawns on Shakuras Plateau have been modified to ensure cross-map spawns only.

This is just laughable. Why even have 4 player maps then? This change completely removes an important dimension of the game imo.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

March 01 2011 00:29 GMT

#102

On March 01 2011 09:28 theBullFrog wrote:

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Yea, just curious. As a player I honestly wouldn't mind it, but as a spectator it would be kind of a "taking away from the game" feeling for ingame advertisement.

That's our concern. I know it pisses me off in other games that do it, I would HATE to see that become the golden standard in SCII

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Sort of makes a battle between a bunch of colsi and roaches seem rather fake when they are doing it by the "McDonald's Xel Naga Watch Tower" lol

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

March 01 2011 00:29 GMT

#103

Map pool is pretty good 8/10. SC2 map pool is just really weak, I wish they added more of the large custom maps but this should give decently balanced games (at least as balanced as SC2 can be).

imareaver3

United States906 Posts

March 01 2011 00:30 GMT

#104

On March 01 2011 09:28 Jerax wrote:

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This is just laughable. Why even have 4 player maps then? This change completely removes an important dimension of the game imo.

Because Terran is heavily favored over Zerg in close positions? I don't see how map positions whose imbalance is highly established is an integral part of the game. BW did not have such close positions.

motbob

United States12546 Posts

March 01 2011 00:30 GMT

#105

On March 01 2011 09:28 Jerax wrote:

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This is just laughable. Why even have 4 player maps then? This change completely removes an important dimension of the game imo.

If Blizzard can prevent close spawns on Shakuras, what's wrong with preventing close spawns on other maps? Close spawns lead to worse games, especially on Metalopolis.

Meta

United States6225 Posts

March 01 2011 00:31 GMT

#106

Amazing, fantastic map pool and decisions. Best pool of any tournament in sc2 history in my opinion. Great job MLG, you've really outdone yourselves!

monkh

United Kingdom568 Posts

March 01 2011 00:32 GMT

#107

Would be funny if nasl changed crossfire map named it "NASL MLG GSL CROSSFIRE SE" also if u get a TvT on the map its pretty boring map.

I dont like test bug map imo (texturing is confusing to new spectators) the other ICCUP map i thought was better.

Butcherski

Poland446 Posts

March 01 2011 00:32 GMT

#108

Yeah some more GSL maps wouldnt hurt but still ... i just want to hug the one person who decided to rule out close spawns on meta

Aso im not sureforcing spawns on shakuras ... they were already forced, does that meab that you can only spawn cross-map or is it just redundant ?

theBullFrog

United States515 Posts

March 01 2011 00:32 GMT

#109

The building blocking idea is intriguing. The meta i'm worried about. All of us zergs fear that the most, well not so much anymore. But how do we practice for it in ladder? i guess we get practice partners.
But, we may not have to practice for it, but honeslty doesn't it kind of mess with the zergmind a bit knowing that in a tournament i won't have to deal with this shit? Certain build trends exist due to this fear. Do we practice with out it or with it?
Not hatin on the idea. just food for thought

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

March 01 2011 00:32 GMT

#110

Shattered Temple. AWESOME. I just hoped that Typhon was in too

PartyBiscuit

Canada4525 Posts

March 01 2011 00:33 GMT

#111

Pretty good map pool overall, and still a decent amount of practice can be had through laddering. Cool about the cross spawns for Metal and LT (or ST rather), but I'm a bit more curious to how this will play out on Shak.

Turgid

United States1623 Posts

March 01 2011 00:33 GMT

#112

Ideally they wouldn't have to disable spawns, but I think in the future that means that tournaments will try not to include maps with design bad enough to necessitate it. If you have a wound, put a bandaid on it. You know the bandaid won't last forever, but you still need to put the bandaid on it.

IMO it's either this, or take Metalopolis and Shakuras out of the pool. Close positions metalopolis in particular is just too horrible to leave in; it's worse than Steppes of War by virtually every measure.

Whole

United States6046 Posts

March 01 2011 00:33 GMT

#113

On March 01 2011 09:30 motbob wrote:

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If Blizzard can prevent close spawns on Shakuras, what's wrong with preventing close spawns on other maps? Close spawns lead to worse games, especially on Metalopolis.

Especially since the close spawns make the map so drastically different. Close positions on Metalopolis is considered a free-win/free-loss by Jinro and IdrA. Probably by other players too. Cross positions is actually considered a good game though. The spawn positions shouldn't change the map that much.

vrok

Sweden2541 Posts

March 01 2011 00:35 GMT

#114

Would've liked to see Terminus Re I guess but otherwise very well done all things considered. Especially the edit jobs. This makes me much more interested in following MLG tournaments.

Eury

Sweden1126 Posts

March 01 2011 00:35 GMT

#115

On March 01 2011 09:33 Whole wrote:

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According to Jinro, close position is free win for Terran, and the other positions are free win for Zerg. He hates Metalopolis.

LagT_T

Argentina535 Posts

March 01 2011 00:36 GMT

#116

People has to understand that most of the training done by foreigners is on ladder as the team scene is not as prominent as it is in Korea (yet), so they can't add too many custom maps.

Currently the pool has three 4 players maps, one 3 players map and three 2 players map. I think that balance correct, as it will allow a wide array of strategies.

TedJustice

Canada1324 Posts

March 01 2011 00:36 GMT

#117

Looks great. I'm on the same page as everyone else when it comes to scrap station though. Hoping that's the next map to go.

Piski

Finland3461 Posts

March 01 2011 00:38 GMT

#118

I like the decision. I'm surprised they included testbug in here but still, good choices from MLG.

Whole

United States6046 Posts

March 01 2011 00:38 GMT

#119

On March 01 2011 09:35 Eury wrote:

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According to Jinro, close position is free win for Terran, and the other positions are free win for Zerg. He hates Metalopolis.

Well I'm 100% sure he said it was a "hard game" and he much rathers it than the free win close positions give.

BeMannerDuPenner

Germany5638 Posts

March 01 2011 00:38 GMT

#120

On March 01 2011 09:35 vrok wrote:
Would've liked to see Terminus Re I guess but otherwise very well done considering. Especially the edit jobs.

exactly my thoughts. think terminus is a really interesting map and would be a nice addition.

but really no complains. respect for having the balls going that far with the editing and great job with the pool overall.