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Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
February 26 2011 21:58 GMT
#741
I don't like how you can defend your main and your natural on Gulch with just spinecrawlers at the ramp.
headies
Profile Joined October 2010
United States63 Posts
February 26 2011 21:58 GMT
#742
On February 27 2011 06:56 BandonBanshee wrote:
These maps are good but they feel too big...Thirds are too easy to take and the naturals are super easy to defend...I just wish we had closer positions for more exciting micro based games

I see what you did there.

If only we actually had 'problems' like these. Good thing we have the great folks at Blizz lookin' out for us.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
February 26 2011 22:07 GMT
#743
On February 27 2011 06:05 Jago wrote:
Playing a game on Slug, the new supposedly macro-oriented map. Went 14gas 14 pool, 20 hatch and had 7 marines + and SCV at my expo when it was halfway done. Macro-oriented my ass.

Macro oriented doesn't mean you *cannot* be attacked early anymore. People should stop getting angry when people want to counter a quick expansion with some early attacks. If you have few units, it seems like a good time to strike ^_^.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
February 26 2011 22:15 GMT
#744
On February 27 2011 07:07 dani` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 06:05 Jago wrote:
Playing a game on Slug, the new supposedly macro-oriented map. Went 14gas 14 pool, 20 hatch and had 7 marines + and SCV at my expo when it was halfway done. Macro-oriented my ass.

Macro oriented doesn't mean you *cannot* be attacked early anymore. People should stop getting angry when people want to counter a quick expansion with some early attacks. If you have few units, it seems like a good time to strike ^_^.
Pretty big difference between wanting to be unattackable, and people not wanting the map architecture to make it ridiculously easy to punish anyone who tries to expand.
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Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
February 26 2011 22:17 GMT
#745
On February 27 2011 07:07 dani` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 06:05 Jago wrote:
Playing a game on Slug, the new supposedly macro-oriented map. Went 14gas 14 pool, 20 hatch and had 7 marines + and SCV at my expo when it was halfway done. Macro-oriented my ass.

Macro oriented doesn't mean you *cannot* be attacked early anymore. People should stop getting angry when people want to counter a quick expansion with some early attacks. If you have few units, it seems like a good time to strike ^_^.


Close position Slug is closer distance than fucking Steps of War, I kid you not, go try it for yourself. It is also completely impossible for a zerg to overlord-scout his opponent in a timely fashion due to the positioning of the main entrances. You can overlord-scout the side of your opponent's base but he simply won't have anything there.
Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
February 26 2011 22:34 GMT
#746
I'm so glad the rush maps are gone. Anything condusive to a macro game seems like a win to me.
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
February 26 2011 22:37 GMT
#747
On February 27 2011 06:56 BandonBanshee wrote:
These maps are good but they feel too big...Thirds are too easy to take and the naturals are super easy to defend...I just wish we had closer positions for more exciting micro based games


I fail to see how wide, empty fields, which is essentially what the naturals on Slag are, are "super easy to defend."

At least steppes had a ramp...
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
February 26 2011 22:38 GMT
#748
On February 27 2011 07:37 Nightfall.589 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 06:56 BandonBanshee wrote:
These maps are good but they feel too big...Thirds are too easy to take and the naturals are super easy to defend...I just wish we had closer positions for more exciting micro based games


I fail to see how wide, empty fields, which is essentially what the naturals on Slag are, are "super easy to defend."

At least steppes had a ramp...


you failed to detect the sarcasm in his post
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Airfan
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany73 Posts
February 26 2011 23:17 GMT
#749
So basically they removed Shakuras because it didn't have 100+ destructable rocks all over it? Having a "plain" map was actually a nice change for a map pool full of maps with gimmicky shit.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#750
Backwater Gulch has some serious positional imbalanced when not spawning cross positions. For example 2 'o clock vs 5 'o clock spawns. The 2 will have a much much easier 3rd and 4th to take as he can expand away from the opponent and in the direction of the ramp.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
February 26 2011 23:24 GMT
#751
I don't see how Slag is the "macro" map (see Blizz comments), when it has only 10 expos on the entire map..
the farm ends here
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
February 26 2011 23:30 GMT
#752
These new maps are horrible for protoss in my completely uneducated opinion. Expansions are spread out and thus easily harassed by medivacs or god forbid mutalisks.

Protoss doesnt have that many defence options so i feel we are pretty fucked.
To pray is to accept defeat.
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 23:32:39
February 26 2011 23:32 GMT
#753
Man their explanations of the new map choices are fucking awful for real. Really shows an apparent lack of game knowledge from whoever is choosing these.
=O
banditproductions
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 23:35:21
February 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#754
Backwater Gulch is a really fun map! :D
I liked Shakuras Plateau though :/
But, I am looking forward towards playing on the new maps.

EDIT:

On February 27 2011 08:30 Daimai wrote:
These new maps are horrible for protoss in my completely uneducated opinion. Expansions are spread out and thus easily harassed by medivacs or god forbid mutalisks.

Protoss doesnt have that many defence options so i feel we are pretty fucked.


I find you wrong on that actually. I faced a Terran on that map, and it was really easy to fend of his marines and siege tanks.
I also expanded quite easily too.
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jw232
Profile Joined January 2009
United States157 Posts
February 26 2011 23:35 GMT
#755
On February 27 2011 06:55 Ludwigvan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 06:44 jw232 wrote:
Where are the new maps located? I want to open them inside map editor

you can open all blizzard maps by loggin onto battle net and opening the games from there. check this options when opening.

You mean just hosting or can you actually open it inside the map editor from battle.net?
arioch
Profile Joined May 2010
England403 Posts
February 26 2011 23:37 GMT
#756
Has anyone figured out how to take a 3rd in PvZ on any map other than Backwater Gulch yet?

And I can see myself getting massively sick of close positions on these maps very very quickly.
Nik0
Profile Joined April 2010
Uruguay460 Posts
February 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#757
On February 27 2011 08:17 Airfan wrote:
So basically they removed Shakuras because it didn't have 100+ destructable rocks all over it? Having a "plain" map was actually a nice change for a map pool full of maps with gimmicky shit.

It missed a gold mineral expansion too, something that blizzard in their retarded ways wants to get in every fucking map apparently
413X
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden203 Posts
February 26 2011 23:40 GMT
#758
Slag Pits and backwater gulch is broke due to the natural expand in the PvZ. It's crazy to expand. You must 5 gate push :/
The pro noob
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 23:42:40
February 26 2011 23:41 GMT
#759
I just played a PvZ on Slag Pits and it seems to me to be insanely position based. You're sooo close if you spawn like that. It kinda reminds me of some of the bad 2v2 maps. I have to say that I'm very disappointed they didn't include the gsl maps. I hope MLG include the gsl maps and hopefully blizzard will come around eventually.

That being said I'm excited just to have new maps at least. If it takes another 6months for gsl maps to be added though it's gonna be a disaster.

Edit: also disappointed shakuras is gone. Last map i would have wanted gone tbh. I play random so i just like fun maps and don't mind so insanely much small imbalances.
bleen
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 23:48:04
February 26 2011 23:45 GMT
#760
)) kept DQ removed shakuras which every race loved and wanted to play on.. smart move.. really shakuras is not as interesting map as SLAG PITS, NOT!

thank you blizzard for "better metalopolis" aka slag pits)) it just cant get to my head how can blizzard compare metalopolis to this crap map ofc for people who actually play the game it takes 5 times to play this map to understand, that map is one of the worst ever created, but probably 5 times is too much for blizzard to test map, better is to waste time and to create nice description of map which is far from reality especially easy to defend early helion harass and 4 gate as zerg on this "better metalopolis" )

and nooo its not good to add non blizzard maps(btw that are there already GSL/ICCUP maps) because it would brake game!

"amazing maps" make this really amazing game into cheese, 2 base play, 2 base all in fest.
Keep the good work blizzard, your map makers are just amazing!!!
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