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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
Hope it's not a repost, but it's confirmed that Blizzard considers using the GSL maps in the battlenet ladder. I think it shows that Blizzard is not ignorant as people often make them out to be. The Blueposter later clarified his post, for it to be more vague, but it still shows that Blizzard has the tendency to use non-Blizzard made maps such as the GSL maps. | ||
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aeoliant
Canada361 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:47 aeoliant wrote: The blue poster edited his post to make it more vague but he originally said that Blizzard was considering the GSL maps Yes, but it still shows some kind of tendency. | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
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Altsa
Finland990 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:48 Slardar wrote: That's pretty awesome. They are DEFINITELY NOT ignorant to the facts here. Most of the GSL/GTSL seasons have Blizzard Employees sitting front row to watch the action, reporting back to Overmind Browder. Yeah, if those employees were watching IM vs. ST...I can't believe we didn't have those maps the day after the tournament. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
:S I really hope they start just doing whatever GSL does. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:51 eXigent. wrote: I cant see how they wouldnt want to include the maps from their biggest tournament. Not having these maps in the pool is just gonna lead to more and more top players quitting the ladder, and solely focusing on custom games. Why would blizzard want to put that rift in their own ladder system, when they can just implement the GSL maps, and keep everyone laddering and happy. Its like one of the easiest no-brainer solutions i've come across, yet odds are blizzard will do the unthinkable and scrap them for a bunch of bland untested maps that have no revelence to any sort of competetive gaming (including their own massive tournament). sigh Nah theyll probably use both. GSL haven't been tested that much. Theyll probably be implented after GSL 5 is over or something. Would make sense, because the big ladder patch is also supossed to hit in march (? I think) | ||
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compscidude
176 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
If they do add them I will seriously be jumping in joy like a little school girl ^_^ | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:55 Kurumi wrote: No love for Iccup? Such a shame.. I'm not sure blizzard and iccup have a great relationship, I'm not sure the whole BW thing was exactly welcomed by blizzard. | ||
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compscidude
176 Posts
This way SC2 will still feel fresh for a very long time just like SC did. Hope they ackwnoledge that GSL is not going to be last forever and theres far more target group to focus than thoes hardcore gamers who watch GSL or are Dimond+ players. ICCUP brings high quality maps almost so frequently that its incredible. These guys truely deserve some spotlight in the SC2 community. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:55 Kurumi wrote: No love for Iccup? Such a shame.. Are there any pro tournaments that have actually featured iccup maps? | ||
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PukinDog
United States131 Posts
However, on the large maps, Protoss is looking pretty unstoppable late game. | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:01 KevinIX wrote: Are there any pro tournaments that have actually featured iccup maps? There have been lots of small tournaments using them, and I remember guys like TT1 and Sheth playing on them awhile back in these events. Startale is going to play an in house tournament with ICCUP maps next week which has the potential to be really awesome. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191406 | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:01 KevinIX wrote: I've never seen any pro-level games on iccup. Are there any pro tournaments that have actually featured iccup maps? At the moment weekly tournaments that use iCCup maps in Europe are Go4Sc2 Cup, Viking Cup, Cyborg Cup, Sennheiser Cup, Competo Cup and Epicup. It started 2 weeks ago so we may see bigger tournaments using iCCup maps in the future. But all these cups are already played by the best players in Europe. edit: I think most of the community doesn't know this. For some reason TL is only interested in GSL and their maps... | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:00 compscidude wrote: It would be wise for Blizzard to partner up with ICCUP. This way SC2 will still feel fresh for a very long time just like SC did. Hope they ackwnoledge that GSL is not going to be last forever and theres far more target group to focus than thoes hardcore gamers who watch GSL or are Dimond+ players. ICCUP brings high quality maps almost so frequently that its incredible. These guys truely deserve some spotlight in the SC2 community. While I agree that iccup hasn't really been getting any attention and should I would rather both GSL/Iccup maps were added to map pools so its doubly refreshing. But i'll take either or at this point considering the maps. Also are you saying that GSL's not going to exist anymore or what? Just confused with the "GSL is not going to be last forever" or did you mean "GSL is not going to last forever". Honestly if GSL dies thats bad for esports in general and I don't see them disappearing unless they get replaced which again I doubt. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
1. Have little effect on the balance or 2. propose changes that are totally irrelevant, like you know, imagine blizzard not nerfing voidray/colo/sentry ball and instead implementing 'game changing' balances such as making the spinecrawler 3 seconds longer, or making scvs walk a little faster. or 3. they will totally ignore it and hope people will forget about it. and in months time, they will quote themselves saying 'it used to be overpowered but people got over it and learned to play' | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:55 Kurumi wrote: No love for Iccup? Such a shame.. in general not much love for Iccup maps, not even on these forums  yet people got batcrazy the second after the gom maps were posted | ||
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vdek
United States267 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:15 xza wrote: 3. they will totally ignore it and hope people will forget about it. and in months time, they will quote themselves saying 'it used to be overpowered but people got over it and learned to play' WoW wasn't that unbalanced of a game, it's just that the majority of people were terrible with it and needed to learn 2 play. A Game like WoW is also incredibly difficult to balance compared to a game like Starcraft II IMO. | ||
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TheDominator
New Zealand336 Posts
But thanks Blizzard.  | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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MadLag
Poland82 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:15 xza wrote: This is very good news. but honestly I've never trusted blizzard's balancing team after WoW. Anyone who plays WoW will know that blizzard will take atleast 3-6 months of constant crying in their forums before doing something about the game. ' You shouldn't put WoW as an example of how good Blizzard is balancing, it's a freaking MMO. Try balancing one. Not to mention it's being played by 12 million people, what you wrote is wrong...blizzard reads shit-load of whine on the forums from newbies and acts immediately to satisfy the biggest player base, i applaud them for not doing the same to SC2. About the map adaptation, I think it would be wise of blizzard to follow GSL, because most of other tourneys follow Blizzard map pool. And GSL maps are just beautiful. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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lkjewq
United States132 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:32 KevinIX wrote: Ah, as Incontrol said, we have to convince Blizzard that they thought of this idea themselves. Great maps you got there Blizz, can't wait for GSL to use them too! | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
Either way I'm extremely glad they are considering this, especially as they're in the upcoming GSL, new maps are definitely needed. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
Maybe this is the reason why patch 1.21 wasn't that much, they are probably expecting good feedbacks on the new maps but they didn't. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
Blizzard has used custom fan-made maps for WC3 in the past (namely Echo Isles and Secret Valley, plus Twisted Meadows, but TM was just the finalist of an official mapmaking contest by Blizzard) and they most likely will in SC2. edit: For obvious reasons though it is doubtable that they'd use ICCUP maps or even partner with ICCUP in any way. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
I can understand the Blizzard-bashing though; they just give out too less information on those topics, which can be very frustrating... | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:45 Woony wrote: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2089109914#17 Hope it's not a repost, but it's confirmed that Blizzard considers using the GSL maps in the battlenet ladder. I think it shows that Blizzard is not ignorant as people often make them out to be. The Blueposter later clarified his post, for it to be more vague, but it still shows that Blizzard has the tendency to use non-Blizzard made maps such as the GSL maps. No, it shows how slow they truly are. -_- That and it's a 'consideration.' Just let the community manage it, shrug. On February 16 2011 05:07 Ragoo wrote: For some reason TL is only interested in GSL and their maps... We don't need to go in that again. There's already a thread about it. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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Combine
United States812 Posts
why cant they just have a user map contest, i mean some of the new gsl maps arnt even that great. Well, the GSTL games on the new maps were some of the best games I've seen. And they seem to be updating the maps to fix any imbalances, with pretty smart fixes (new crevasse). | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:55 Markus138 wrote: please change the topic name, blizz unfortunately did not say they're gonna check out the GSL maps for the ladder pool (altough it might be an option). They did but then editted they message.Their words were something like "We are considering it" in response to someone asking about he gsl maps. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:58 DeltruS wrote: They did but then editted they message.Their words were something like "We are considering it" in response to someone asking about he gsl maps. yeah I know, but since they changed it I wouldn't be too happy about that statement from Blizz (but ofc I would hope they're really considering it) | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:17 SmoKim wrote: in general not much love for Iccup maps, not even on these forums yet people got batcrazy the second after the gom maps were postedLook, I appreciate everything that iCCup has done so far, but this is a really unfair comparison. When Gom posted their maps, we knew that it would have an immediate effect on the GSL. When iCCup posts new maps, most of the time it was really interesting, but to be honest it didn't have any effect on most people playing the game or watching pros play. It's not like MLG was picking up the maps as soon as they were posted. Hopefully this will change with some European tournaments beginning to use them, but for now, it's very reasonable for people to have a greater reaction to new Gom maps. | ||
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Shadrak
United States490 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:01 KevinIX wrote: Are there any pro tournaments that have actually featured iccup maps? The Collegiate Star League uses them sometimes. Not a pro tournament, but its a pretty huge group of players and many of the teams have pros on them. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
I think iCCup maps are great, but has blizzard seen them as successful as the GSL maps that were JUST introduced? That's not millions of games either on the GSL maps but it surely showed potential which is WHY blizzard mentioned it. I'm sure if there was an epic tournament that used iCCup maps that blizzard PAYED attention to, then I think it would be on their minds as well. | ||
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Annq
Germany104 Posts
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tensionz
United States130 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On February 16 2011 04:50 mierin wrote: Yeah, if those employees were watching IM vs. ST...I can't believe we didn't have those maps the day after the tournament. TO be honest we don't know how popular those maps would be if they were being used on a regular basis on b.net. Sure they're alot of fun to watch on and to play long games on. But not everyone is going to want to play an epic 45+ minute match back-to-back-to-back sometimes (it happens and it's very tiring). | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On February 16 2011 06:41 Talack wrote: TO be honest we don't know how popular those maps would be if they were being used on a regular basis on b.net. Sure they're alot of fun to watch on and to play long games on. But not everyone is going to want to play an epic 45+ minute match back-to-back-to-back sometimes (it happens and it's very tiring). Most people on the ladder are still going to 1-base or 2-base all-in no matter what the map size is and the game will end in 10-15 min. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:49 StarStruck wrote: No, it shows how slow they truly are. -_- That and it's a 'consideration.' Just let the community manage it, shrug. We don't need to go in that again. There's already a thread about it. Honestly, it's never enough, is it? This shows they're at least listening. Thank god we don't have the community manage the game considering the amount of stuff that is spouted out on these forums. They are doing something, I'm sure they'll end up using it considering everyone thinks it's a good thing. | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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Kenod
Austria32 Posts
Saw some games today on TT1's Stream agains Painuser on Terminus Re, and they were awesome , so it would be very sad if they wouldnt actually add them cause some people are complaining just about everything ! | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
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N1mrod
Germany64 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
I was hoping they might do ladder maps based on divisions so that lower leagues were not "freaked out" by a tun of different maps. TBH the more the maps the merrier :D | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
also, blizz realizes it could potentially be disasterous if they do not incorporate gsl maps in some way as many have already vocalized in several different threads. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
So i guess the future of the bnet ladder will be gsl map pool, kinda okay, would have hoped for 3 region different map pool using the regions biggest tournaments maps  . (if i see the korean bw maps i feel lost about how hard you have to abuse the map mechanik, so would prefer the esl map pool lalala) | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
1) They lied. 2) They go "We require moar GOLD MINERALZEZEZ?? and add those. 3) They say "We must construct additional DESTRUCTIBLE ROCKS" ... But, if this is true.... It would kick ass. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Their probably also considering making the maps smaller to provide exciting rush games. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 16 2011 07:55 GinDo wrote: Their probably figuring out where they can add destructible rocks before they put them in ladder. Their probably also considering making the maps smaller to provide exciting rush games. I laughed too fucking hard at your first line! Seriously though, if Blizzard adds GSL maps, the world would be great again. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On February 16 2011 07:52 TUski wrote: Don't you see? They are getting our hopes up to blatantly crush them to the ground again through one or more of the following means: 1) They lied. 2) They go "We require moar GOLD MINERALZEZEZ?? and add those. 3) They say "We must construct additional DESTRUCTIBLE ROCKS" ... But, if this is true.... It would kick ass. However, gold minerals and destructible rocks aren't actually that bad when used creatively and correctly. Right now, Blizzard is mainly using destructible rocks as a way of blocking off expansions and backdoor ramps into mains and naturals, the latter of which is extremely loathed among players. GSL maps also use destructible rocks quite extensively, though they are used mainly to create chokes or block off paths in the main battlefield. Gold expansions also can be an interesting addition to a map when used correctly since they can create interesting macro situations where players are rewarded for taking strategically risky expansions. The map features that Blizzard added to SC2 can be quite beneficial to the game when used correctly in maps, as shown by iCCup or GSL maps. However, Blizzard currently uses them in a very generic, flawed manner, and according to the new PTR maps, they have yet to learn from their mapmaking mistakes. | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
I"m more for a tiered ladder-maps system. that way, when you went up or down a league, there'd be something new, a sort of reward. also, i really wish people would realise that if every game was a huge macro game with motherships etc, the novelty would wear off and they'd be far less exciting to watch! i'm not arguing against these maps at all, terminus re and tal-darim produced some of the best games i ever saw, but don't think "how can blizzard not include a map, we saw a mothership on it" or "but you can never rush on this map" are good arguments... | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1377 Posts
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.Enigma.
Sweden1461 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On February 16 2011 08:06 akaname wrote: i don't think some of the GSL maps are appropriate at all levels. Tal'darim Altar i played with a friend and we werent good enough to make it (cross-spots) anything but frustrating, there was no harass or back and forth, just 15 minutes build up then clash. I"m more for a tiered ladder-maps system. that way, when you went up or down a league, there'd be something new, a sort of reward. also, i really wish people would realise that if every game was a huge macro game with motherships etc, the novelty would wear off and they'd be far less exciting to watch! i'm not arguing against these maps at all, terminus re and tal-darim produced some of the best games i ever saw, but don't think "how can blizzard not include a map, we saw a mothership on it" or "but you can never rush on this map" are good arguments... That's what those thumbs-down buttons are for... Thumbing down a map being too big is WAY better than needing to thumbs down a map because it's an autoloss for balance reasons, e.g. Steppes, Jungle Basin, etc | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On February 16 2011 06:43 teamsolid wrote: Most people on the ladder are still going to 1-base or 2-base all-in no matter what the map size is and the game will end in 10-15 min. Exactly, look at Shakuras, it's huge and games don't always take long. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 16 2011 09:28 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Exactly, look at Shakuras, it's huge and games don't always take long. yes but they will probably lose more games tbh. With bigger maps 1-2 base all ins arrive later then on other maps. I could see it making master league more legit in terms of not as many all ins but of course we won't know till we see it which to see it have to put in ladder ^_^ | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On February 16 2011 05:00 compscidude wrote: It would be wise for Blizzard to partner up with ICCUP. This way SC2 will still feel fresh for a very long time just like SC did. Hope they ackwnoledge that GSL is not going to be last forever and theres far more target group to focus than thoes hardcore gamers who watch GSL or are Dimond+ players. ICCUP brings high quality maps almost so frequently that its incredible. These guys truely deserve some spotlight in the SC2 community. no it doesn't. ICCUP doesn't bring anything to the table other than fanbois. Blizzard needs growth or $$$. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
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