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IMPORTANT EDIT
iCCup.Raelcun:
IF you see this message then it means that the streamer is not marked as a gaming stream. Root Minigun had the same problem and had to get it fixed by JTV. These limits do not appear on the gaming streams. So instead of starting a shit ton of JTV hate when they are still supporting tournaments contact any streamer you see this for and tell them their stream is not marked correctly.
Which means we gamers are still safe, as long as the streamers mark their streams as "gaming" streams.
IMPORTANT EDIT NUMBER 2!
On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
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REALLY?
Like, "So I know someone who is making a stream, getting money from ads from it. I'll watch a bit so I get some of his ads- oh wait."
Seriously, Now we are forbidden to watch streams without paying for it? I was fine contributing to my favorite streamers with their commercials, now I have to PAY justin.tv ASWELL?
Wasn't justin.tv, like, supporting all kinds of e-sports? What kind of awkward support is this?!
I seriously loved the site, but it was too good to be true.
If anyone could send an workaround, I'd love it.
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O_O I haven't ever gotten that yet... Here's to hoping I never do I hope they don't start charging on justin tv to watch T_T
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Finally being Australian benefits me on the internet.
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Jusin.tv always has had country restrictions, before they were REALLY bad... About 50 people from each EU country.
This is the reason many Europeans hate justin.tv... until very recently it was just silly trying to watch anything popular on there.
Their servers in EU still isn't up to par with the competition tbh.
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SHIT! They got me too! The hell, it's 4am here in sweden... how frikking small is the cap for us exactly?! I want my cella damn it. FU justin, I see you've crawled back into the hole you came from.
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D: I haven't seen this yet, and I hope I never do. Justin.tv is easily the best quality for me, so I hope I will be able to continue watching players on it.
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I'm brazzilian too, and althought I had this problem a feel times like 1 year ago, it has not ever happenned again ever since.
Anyway, 10 dolars is just too high
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What sucks is missing a tournament cause some guy decided to stream the champions league =/ This almost always happens to me during Champions League nights.
I should check their premium account, maybe it's worth buying one if it's reasonable.
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This has been around a while, thankfully never for the uk but ive been watching jtv since soon after it started and this country thing has always been there, ive never heard them charging for it though ;/
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Ugh. Please don't go that route JTV, that kind of thing could put a serious dent in the growth of tournaments and such once they start reaching larger viewer numbers (which apparently is happening?) and thus e-sports as a whole. Not everyone can put their own stream setup together..
An ad free/higher quality stream or something I could live with to pay extra for, but the streams I watch are still a bit too spread out over hosts to justify several monthly accounts like that.
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Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching.
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On February 13 2011 11:56 3xiLe wrote:
just a possibility, but maybe you lurked into another URL scam site
URL scam site? Sorry, I got this from teamliquid.net itself. Like, I just clicked to watch SlayerS_Cella's stream.
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On February 13 2011 11:56 3xiLe wrote:
just a possibility, but maybe you lurked into another URL scam site
No. It's on the TL embeds too. Justin have done this before many many times for me in the past, and now it seems like it's back...
EDIT:ninja'd
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Yep, same thing here. I guess they are going to die again.
Wonder who keeps going back to this brilliant idea.
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T.O.P.
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On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching.
The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that.
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I think if they start doing this en masse people will switch from it, so im confident it wont be a huge deal, justin tv dont hold a big enough share to force peopel to use it yet.
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On February 13 2011 12:02 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching. The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that.
Willing to use global ads/loose a little bit: Own3d, ustream, livestream, sc-streams (prob 99% of the services out there)
Is cheap as ****: justin.tv
Back to old habits I see. This was shit before and is shit now. Don't go down this road, you finally got a good number of streamers... don't ban 90% of the world from it.
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Money makes the world go round :-] better to give the money to justin than banks imo
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that sucks.... they must have bandwidth issues from certain countries
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I can't seem to find buy premium account option anywhere in justin.tv could be a scam?
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o wow, this is gonna be a big hit to jtv especially since there are so many alternatives and a lot of competition. I really hope they realize it and upgrade their infrastructure. But I know these live streaming services are extremely expensive to provide for free, even with ads.
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i think they removed the restrictions on streams like ROOT's which have the ad-share deals. Which stream were you watching when you got this?.
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On February 13 2011 12:12 drewbie.root wrote:
i think they removed the restrictions on streams like ROOT's which have the ad-share deals. Which stream were you watching when you got this?.
SlayerS_Cella, can you confirm that? If you or CatZ stream in a few moments I can check it out.
Btw, the reason I rage the most is due to your streams, I ♥♥♥ ROOT's streams!
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I watch streams all day on jtv and never got this , even today I watched atleast 8 hrs and even now I am watching Cella's stream. It may be because I have adblock for firefox?
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On February 13 2011 12:02 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching. The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that.
er, they don't make money because they don't want to. The Brazilian (general gamer) Sc2 player profile is in general part of the higher class of the country. Youtube for exemple does have brazilian ads running.
And I find unlikely that they are actually losing money
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Confirmed that streams with commercial/ads systems are still working.
I just tuned in GLHF.tv and it is working fine. ROOTGaming's should work as well.
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It's just some countries dude. chill. no biggie.
Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, like Mauritius or something.
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On February 13 2011 12:37 mytent wrote:
It's just some countries dude. chill. no biggie.
Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, like Mauritius or something.
Brazil is "the middle of nowhere"? And then you Americans don't understand why people call you stupid or something.
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On February 13 2011 12:40 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 12:37 mytent wrote:
It's just some countries dude. chill. no biggie.
Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, like Mauritius or something. Brazil is "the middle of nowhere"? And then you Americans don't understand why people call you stupid or something.
One idiot from America doesn't reflect the nation as a whole.
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the only ones that has that kind of restriction removed are streamers in their partner program
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If you see this message it means the stream probably isnt marked as a gaming stream
JTV has stated that these restrictions were removed from all gaming streams. Contact the streamer and let them know this to get it fixed and you should be able to watch it with no problem.
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Start using own3d streamers, best quality out there...
Justin.tv was my second fav tho, never got that error before.
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Justin.tv has never been friendly with foreign countries, now that everyone wants to make money using Justin.tv, some of the foreign audience is going to be left out. Justin.tv IP bans also blocks you from watching streams on JTV as I have sadly found You can watch through other methods like TL though.
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Not sure why people think everything on the Internet should be free. It costs Justin.tv money to provide bandwidth across the globe. It's not cheap, and advertisements alone won't cover all of their expenditures. I have no problem with JTV trying to make money this way.
If it's truly a bad practice, then people will migrate away from JTV and they'll have to lower/remove prices.
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but cella's stream has ads..?
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On February 13 2011 13:01 Crashburn wrote:
Not sure why people think everything on the Internet should be free. It costs Justin.tv money to provide bandwidth across the globe. It's not cheap, and advertisements alone won't cover all of their expenditures. I have no problem with JTV trying to make money this way.
If it's truly a bad practice, then people will migrate away from JTV and they'll have to lower/remove prices.
Well, its all about how the other streams work. If the other streams are free, there is no point why one of them shouldn't be.
By the way, thank you very much iCCup.Raelcun, that makes total sense. If only I could "Like" your post haha!
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On February 13 2011 13:47 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 13:01 Crashburn wrote:
Not sure why people think everything on the Internet should be free. It costs Justin.tv money to provide bandwidth across the globe. It's not cheap, and advertisements alone won't cover all of their expenditures. I have no problem with JTV trying to make money this way.
If it's truly a bad practice, then people will migrate away from JTV and they'll have to lower/remove prices. Well, its all about how the other streams work. If the other streams are free, there is no point why one of them shouldn't be.
Right, if JTV ends up losing a bunch of people because they're the only ones charging, then they'll have to stop charging. If they can charge money when others aren't, then they're doing something else better than the rest.
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oh wow, and i thought justin.tv was cool! This is sad
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On February 13 2011 12:15 debasers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 12:02 T.O.P. wrote:On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching. The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that. er, they don't make money because they don't want to. The Brazilian (general gamer) Sc2 player profile is in general part of the higher class of the country. Youtube for exemple does have brazilian ads running. And I find unlikely that they are actually losing money
They don't know they you're rich. Even if you're rich, brazilian ads don't pay as well as american ads. Just because google can find advertising dollars doesn't mean justin.tv can. Google might also be absorbing financial loses just so when brazil becomes richer, their loses will turn into profit.
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They are also charging for the ipod app if you didn't already have it. (I did)
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It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money.
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I used to have that all the time but i think in recent times ( past 3 months or so), i haven't had that message.
I think if the stream is categorized under gaming or something, you won't get such message.
If you see this message it means the stream probably isnt marked as a gaming stream
JTV has stated that these restrictions were removed from all gaming streams. Contact the streamer and let them know this to get it fixed and you should be able to watch it with no problem.
Ah ok didn't see raelcun's post before. Problem solved.
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On February 13 2011 15:05 jalstar wrote:
It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money.
Except that GOM is the one who is paying for and running the tournament, not just the stream. If JTV were actually running high level tournaments I'd be more happy to give them money.
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While i think it's fine to charge for streaming. I couldn't justify buying jtv premium as curently it often lags when watching streams and it seems to be a common problem amongst european countries.
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This happen when there are too many people watch the stream, unless the streamer have a decent number follower.
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On February 13 2011 12:44 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
If you see this message it means the stream probably isnt marked as a gaming stream
JTV has stated that these restrictions were removed from all gaming streams. Contact the streamer and let them know this to get it fixed and you should be able to watch it with no problem.
I wouldn't question them helping /supporting eSports or anything but isn't that kind of stupid since anyone could mark their stream as "gaming" stream and not get their viewers charged for watching?
Or is there some kind of stream police around?
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Although ten bucks seems excessive for hte average dood, it does make sense that brazillian ads would bring in much less revenue on average.
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If the stream account has premium there's no limit either. Seems Raelcun got the answer to this though. Just saying if it would be non-gaming related.
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hopefully nothing happens to canada ><!!
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Yes, I have had this issue before many times. Thats why I preffer own3d. At least glhf.tv worked fine yesterday.
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mod edit- don't spam your channel.
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They should ban the ones using ad-block.
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important edit at OP, thanks to Raelcun for pointing it out.
We gamers are safe as long as the streamers mark their stream as "gaming".
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On February 13 2011 12:09 aka_star wrote:
Money makes the world go round :-] better to give the money to justin than banks imo
You either don't know what a bank is or you don't understand how they function.
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is it me or is justin.tv on a marketing run, most seem to stream now on justin or?
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yeah, watching slayers.cella stream for about 1 minute, then bam, got nailed with this.
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The entitlement complex some of you have is just incredible. Bandwidth for multiuser video streaming ain't cheap.
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Justin.TV doesn't make any money from advertisements in your country. It isn't a free service to run yah know.
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Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
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On February 13 2011 15:25 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 15:05 jalstar wrote:
It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money. Except that GOM is the one who is paying for and running the tournament, not just the stream. If JTV were actually running high level tournaments I'd be more happy to give them money.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190859
Sup dood, next time do some research before you post.
More on topic, I think it's fine that jtv charges residents of foreign countries money for their streaming service. I mean they have to make money somehow right? It's unfortunate, but it's also not that much money when you take it all into consideration. Think of all the hours of entertainment you're actually being provided thanks to jtv.
Edit: Also their gaming streams are free, so it's not an issue.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
This is so awesome, blue post on TL really shows how much Justin.tv cares about building up it's standing in the gamer/ESPORTS community. This post should get mod-edited into the OP imo.
Personally, I love watching streams on Justin.tv, because of the option to choose stream quality/resolution. It's too bad that it lags in Europe, although iirc there was talk of them getting a server somewhere in Europe to fix that - I could be wrong though.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
I wish all companies were like this
EDIT: Maybe a Mod should edit the thread title?
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
You guys are awesome and that's why I switched to stream with yall!
I really like how active you guys are in the esports community, mad props.
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Its not strange. Imagine their bandwidth costs. 1k viewers for one hour equals around 100-200 GB.
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hah i wish it would be only 100-200gb  it is more like 3.5 TB for 1-1.5mbit/s stream.
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On February 13 2011 15:25 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 15:05 jalstar wrote:
It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money. Except that GOM is the one who is paying for and running the tournament, not just the stream. If JTV were actually running high level tournaments I'd be more happy to give them money.
Jtv has sponsored thousands of dollars worth of tournaments, genius.
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It's because they cannot make any ad revenue from Brazil. It sucks, but your country doesn't have enough targeted ads so Justin.tv loses money on your streaming
It's an established fact that Brazil is a poorer country than say the US, European nations, and Australia.
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On February 16 2011 03:41 hmunkey wrote:
It's because they cannot make any ad revenue from Brazil. It sucks, but your country doesn't have enough targeted ads so Justin.tv loses money on your streaming
It's an established fact that Brazil is a poorer country than say the US, European nations, and Australia.
Reread the OP, particularly this comment:
On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services.
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Thanks Kevin for pointing that out, OP has been edited.
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Big thank you to Justin.tv for being so supportive of the e-sports scene. Even outside of gaming, the world needs more companies that appreciate their users to this extent.
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On February 13 2011 12:02 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching. The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that.
Although it was clarified it didn't apply to gaming, I must say that I get BRAZILIAN ADS everywhere now. From Owned tv to Justin and pretty much any one of those. So I don't see how they don't receive any money from ads.
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On February 18 2011 22:13 Dinsdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it. Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services.
Exactly, from europe almost any stream I intend to watch on justin.tv lags or freeze, and it is the only streaming service doing that that I know of...
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On February 18 2011 23:02 ArhK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 22:13 Dinsdale wrote:On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it. Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services. Exactly, from europe almost any stream I intend to watch on justin.tv lags or freeze, and it is the only streaming service doing that that I know of...
Yeah they pretty much have to fix it, because it seems like everyone is moving off own3d (which has always been absolutely perfect for me), and moving to justin.
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To everyone saying paying is ok
Consider the number of users ... if they all pay $10 a month justiv TV will be making an absolute fortune ... You can be sure GOM TV is, that is why they are hiring class A casters (but then their prod quality, casting and organisation is frighteningly good)
By charging $10 they are harming the people streaming on it because non serious viewers will never pay - the rsult is that you end up with 10$ of people paying and the viewership stagnating an gradually declining.
How can you afford to pay for the phone line, the internet, and several subscriptions like that? I have a decently paid job and really dont want to have to. Gom TV is the first thing i have ever paid like that ... most successful models rely on a very cheap fee paid by many many people. $10 is way too much.
Itd be better to have a layered fee based on usage, if people are watching one stream regularly then their usage is totally different to me who will watch 1 stream for 30 mins per month, compared to someone who lives on it.
Assuming 1Tb is about 3 hours of stream then maybe $1 is the kind of ball park that i can regularly pony up without having to think about how it would effect anything else. I have no idea if that is economically possible though. Id probably be willing to buy time in 15 hour chunks also.
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They're simply about to succeed in ensuring that Livestream, ustream, and Own3d surpass them, and drive justin TV straight into the ground.
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Hmm that's sad O_O
Seems like all stream sites have their own set of problems.
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I hope that this doesnt effect us gamers in the future.. I can definitely see it going down a bad road...
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Geez people, read the goddamn edits. justin.tv is NOT asking for that for streams marked as "gaming".
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On February 20 2011 04:29 Zephirdd wrote:
Geez people, read the goddamn edits. justin.tv is NOT asking for that for streams marked as "gaming".
Seriously, I cant tell if these people are trolling or if they are really that stupid to not see the edits.
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I'll be honest. At first I didn't like Justin.TV with all the adds. But what they are doing now is simply amazing.
Great quality with unlimited viewers. Only iPod app for streaming that works, and it work very well. Many features they are working on like delays. They allow the streamers set ads whenever they want. So if you see adds excessively, blame the streaming.
I think they are doing an amazing job for the community, so I want to give a thank you.
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