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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On February 14 2011 04:54 stormchaser wrote: Starcraft 2 is fine when it comes to the ladder. The real problem is that the community continually compares a 7 month (?) old game to a game thats been around for YEARS. The game has been around for 7 or so months, but Blizzard has been around for 20 years. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 14 2011 04:54 stormchaser wrote: Starcraft 2 is fine when it comes to the ladder. The real problem is that the community continually compares a 7 month (?) old game to a game thats been around for YEARS. What you fail to see is the framework has already been there. BW was in the dark ages of gaming. SC2 is in the year 2010, with plenty of resources and feedback available. A 7 month old game released with no LAN? No search function for games? Region locked? Damn, even consoles have more flexibility than SC2. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
While I agree with the sentiment that Blizzard has taken a step back from ICCup, we have to remember ICCup was never made by Blizzard in the first place. Bnet 2.0 IS a step forward to them, because the old Bnet was useless, hence ICCup. It's just a shame they couldn't rip more features, hopefully they will come with time. The longevity of SC2 would seem to hang on it. | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On February 14 2011 05:02 101toss wrote: What you fail to see is the framework has already been there. BW was in the dark ages of gaming. SC2 is in the year 2010, with plenty of resources and feedback available. A 7 month old game released with no LAN? No search function for games? Region locked? Damn, even consoles have more flexibility than SC2. Once again, and I'm not sure why this has to be constantly pointed out, SC2 lacks some of those features, specifically the LAN, because those features were abused in the original. | ||
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2v2SNAX
Canada97 Posts
I would love a new map pool, the maps are boring, but the game is not balanced yet so this is simply the process. In regards to everything else, they've sure dropped the ball. Imagine tournament features... Would actually be cool., | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 14 2011 05:12 FrostOtter wrote: Once again, and I'm not sure why this has to be constantly pointed out, SC2 lacks some of those features, specifically the LAN, because those features were abused in the original. It's proof of how DRM kills the game (remember spore and how cracked copies were better than real copies?) Also, if there's going to be no LAN, at least have servers that don't randomly drop people | ||
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Bartimaeus
United States67 Posts
The reason I bought a smurf account to play terran on was mainly because of PvP. It's just such a stagnant matchup and it revolves purely around who can A) Who defends/pushes the 4gate better and B) who can get more colossi faster and much less depends on factors such as positioning, unit composition (as both compositions are the same - stalkers, maybe 1 immortal, and as many colossi as possible) and macro as whoever expands first is viable to get crushed by a 2-colossi push. The maps are horrendous: Blizzard's refusal to accept GSL maps which are clearly better than their current (and projected) map pools puzzles and annoys me, although I'm sure they wouldn't attempt to make starcraft 2 a cash-shop game with map-packs. I think the matchup of PvP and the current map-pool will be the deciding factor of many to either leave the game (blizzard loses no profit from this as it is not a pay-per-month game) or to buy a smurf account (which blizzard profits hugely from). I believe this is why blizzard invests so little into the features i mentioned in this post. edit: I would encourage someone with authority to re-post this onto the Battlenet forums so it is viewed by more people | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On February 14 2011 05:43 101toss wrote: It's proof of how DRM kills the game (remember spore and how cracked copies were better than real copies?) Also, if there's going to be no LAN, at least have servers that don't randomly drop people I never really have a problem. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On February 14 2011 05:12 FrostOtter wrote: Once again, and I'm not sure why this has to be constantly pointed out, SC2 lacks some of those features, specifically the LAN, because those features were abused in the original. Yeah, well should they start releasing computers without the ability to access the internet? Because, you know, some people used the internet to look up child porn and steal movies/music. No. That's stupid.Control the abuse, not the service that's being abused. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
On February 13 2011 22:52 FrostOtter wrote: When I quit something I don't generally put time into talking about it on the internet, so you'll forgive me if I don't quite believe you. I don't play for a number of reasons. I still like to follow things and see what's new. I've been coming to TL a long time. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
But I'm pretty sure we had a poll and most of TL prefered the new system. So maybe it's a toss-up but overall I'd say that probably the new system is better overall (even though I prefer the old). Now the lack of decent maps and decent balance... we'll that's completely unexcusable in my eyes. At least now we have chat channels we can sort out our own games, that's a blessing at least. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
Yes blizzard NEEDS to update maps they have been decent at it so far, but I would like to see it better. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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loft
United States344 Posts
The game is still new, 2 expansions are coming. not 1, but 2! Yes it's a money game... and yes it will improve. Voice your concern and be patient. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
as example yes it would be cool i think to have 3 ranks on one account for every race but i dislike to have many accounts. i like how they did it to prevent everyone from smurfing so much like in bw where everyone had 200 accounts and the levels from D to C+ was sometimes so many B players smurfing that it was no fun anymore. the problem with the maps is a real issue but to train some matchups and some specific maps the custom games is all to do i would not like if you can pick matchup and map because then some maps/matchups would nearly have no gamers anymore all in all i think sc2 is on a good way but it needs some progress and ... when does blizzard allow us to watch reps together  its so hard to train without that feature | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On February 14 2011 06:42 Arisen wrote: Yeah, well should they start releasing computers without the ability to access the internet? Because, you know, some people used the internet to look up child porn and steal movies/music. No. That's stupid.Control the abuse, not the service that's being abused. That is how they control the abuse, smart guy. Blizzard owns SC2. They find that with LAN, people tend to use their games illegally/make their own ladders/use their own maps-- then, when Blizzard challenges the illegal game use, said abusers then claim that their contribution makes the game not fully Blizzard's property. Why do you think that Blizzard isn't letting SC2 operate like BW? Because of the community, not in spite of the community. Private ladders and KeSPA did this to themselves. Ever wonder why all the iCCup pleas fall on deaf ears? Because Blizzard doesn't want iCCup, or anyone else, to undermine their authority this time. It doesn't matter whether iCCup or anyone else has the intention of undermining Blizzard's IP rights, the fact remains that BW was abused so much that Blizzard isn't going to put itself in that position again. You can only cut out the middle-man so much before he either goes away or cuts you out-- and guess what happened. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 14 2011 07:21 FrostOtter wrote: That is how they control the abuse, smart guy. Blizzard owns SC2. They find that with LAN, people tend to use their games illegally/make their own ladders/use their own maps-- then, when Blizzard challenges the illegal game use, said abusers then claim that their contribution makes the game not fully Blizzard's property. Why do you think that Blizzard isn't letting SC2 operate like BW? Because of the community, not in spite of the community. Private ladders and KeSPA did this to themselves. Ever wonder why all the iCCup pleas fall on deaf ears? Because Blizzard doesn't want iCCup, or anyone else, to undermine their authority this time. It doesn't matter whether iCCup or anyone else has the intention of undermining Blizzard's IP rights, the fact remains that BW was abused so much that Blizzard isn't going to put itself in that position again. You can only cut out the middle-man so much before he either goes away or cuts you out-- and guess what happened. Which is why we're forced to use the shitty interface that is Bnet 0.2 | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On February 14 2011 07:26 101toss wrote: Which is why we're forced to use the shitty interface that is Bnet 0.2 I don't think it is that shitty, since I mainly just ladder unless I'm playing with friends, but yes. That's why. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On February 14 2011 07:21 FrostOtter wrote: That is how they control the abuse, smart guy. Obviously, and I'm saying its a shitty solution that reflects that they care less about the game and more about profit margins. They COULD have LAN and stop the abuse, but they don't want to put that effort in, and I as well as anyone else who thinks that this is stupid should speak up about it, or it will never get implimented. If you think the game is perfect how it is, that's fine, however there are a LOT of people (including a large number of professional players) who want things like LAN, better custom game support, custom ladders, etc. who can, will, and should keep pressure on Blizzard to change the game. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 14 2011 07:28 FrostOtter wrote: I don't think it is that shitty, since I mainly just ladder unless I'm playing with friends, but yes. That's why. It's really bad, take it from me! I wouldn't lie | ||
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