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On February 12 2011 11:02 SladeR wrote:
Grubby has been playing sc2 for more than 3 weeks. With that said I felt his play against sarens was not up to par. He made many many critical errors and it seemed like he did not particularly know what he was doing at all times. For example the 1.5 hour game he did not have a plan and did not know how to react, and later in the series just fell apart with poor builds and mechanics. Half the time I was shouting at my screen like "Omfg what are you doing!". The game on jungle basin made me cry, He had a perfect opportunity when his lance and 3rd colossus popped out, and he did nothing. Terran did not have vikings yet and he threw the game away. He sac'd his expansion with 3 colossus with thermal lance to a medivac of mnm, complete waste. Very poor decision making. He just is not that strong of a player currently and really needs to mass game to get used to a variety of situations. Watching him play made me angry.
His games against Nony were also quite frustrating. The one game on basin where he had gotten 2robo colossus, and just decided to run up into nonies natural and die was hard to watch. He had colossus on the way, would have gotten ahead in colossus count and threw that game away too. Two games he could have been ahead of nony quite substantially and he threw them away. This poor decision making is probably due to lack of focus on SC2.
Well, you make it quite apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about. Read my OP again and then THINK. The guy is new and you can't criticize him for not having perfect build orders or not being accustomed to 80 minute TvPs. Shouting at your screen "Omfg what are you doing!" just further points to a very poor understanding of the game. I've seen a shitton of games (f.e. my replay folder has about ~800 downloaded replays) and everything I saw showed promise of better things to come. Also after g2 he was already out of the tournament so any mistake after that cant be taken as a reliable indicator of his potential skill.
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its like anything; its always much easier to WATCH a game of SC2 and go "WTF ARE YOU DOING" than it is to actually be playing it.. While you are watching, you see every little mistake.. but for someone who just picked up the game afew weeks ago, he may not even notice those things yet.
Grubby is gonna be an allstar if he dedicates himself fully to SC2. Definitely GSL quality player once he has afew months of experience. Remember, Moon and Lyn are doing decent in the GSL, and you can argue Grubby was the most consistent player in WC3 when it comes to major non-korean tournaments (which the wc3 scene isnt as korea-oriented as bw)..
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will grubby be better than moon? what you guys think. moon hasn't been impressive thus far.
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He is not good, his decition making need refinement.
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It's Grubby, to those who doubt him never saw him in WC3.
He will easily be 1 of the the best SC2 players in the world in a matter of a few months.
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On February 12 2011 11:19 PhiliBiRD wrote:
It's Grubby, to those who doubt him never saw him in WC3.
He will easily be 1 of the the best SC2 players in the world in a matter of a few months.
....lol
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"But I don't think 3 weeks are enough to prepare a new player for PvT mined-out 80 minute endgame."
Actually, Grubby was kind of infamous in WC3 for getting into crazy base-trade situations. I realise the Sarens game wasn't a base-trade, but i can imagine Grubby actually felt very comfortable in such a bizarre position. Alongside Moon he was the best in the game at that kind of bizarre late-game decision-making and at 'buying time' even if his chances of winning are slim-to-none. You can see this in the Tyler game on X'NC. I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if he pulled a win out of that game. His blink stalker harassment reminded me so much of his raider hit-'n'-runs.
On the broader topic of WC3 pros in SC2, i'd like to see more human players move across. Tod has seemed pretty impressive for someone who doesn't really play that seriously, and i think his playstyle is much more suited to SC2 than Grubby's.
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I'm not saying he wont be a good player, i'm saying that you cannot deny that his play today was quite bad. His play was not impressive at all. With that said, being good at starcraft is more effort than natural skill. Grubby's play today shows that he really needs work, and it will only be rectified by putting alot more time into ALOT more games.
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You guys are brown-nosing grubby so hard.
only person speaking with a clear mind is SladeR.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 12 2011 11:18 Phanekim wrote:
will grubby be better than moon. moon hasn't been impressive thus far.
If only Moon/Grubby would switch instead of being hybrids  (This is obviously most likely a bad career move for them at this point though, but still).
Since Moon and Grubby has been such consistant players for so many years I have no doubt that they'll be top players in SC2 if they put their mind 100% to it.
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On February 12 2011 11:22 zonic wrote:
You guys are brown-nosing grubby so hard.
only person speaking with a clear mind is SladeR.
Thanks for the support 
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On February 12 2011 11:21 SladeR wrote:
I'm not saying he wont be a good player, i'm saying that you cannot deny that his play today was quite bad. His play was not impressive at all. With that said, being good at starcraft is more effort than natural skill. Grubby's play today really needs work, and it will only be rectified by putting alot more time into ALOT more games.
I dunno what I can say else than that you are completely wrong. Any player that has played sc2 for 3 weeks will have major fucking big-ass holes in his gameplay. That's nothing surprising and to be expected. The other stuff (that I talked about in my OP) however IS surprising and unexpected and that's why I made this thread.
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Chicken, he's been playing SC2 for more than three weeks, there were games in beta he played. He probably came back to it three weeks ago and is now playing it alot more.
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From grubbys twitter: "BTW to anyone wondering why I didn’t attack in Game 1 vs SarenS: I didn’t know if he was hiding a million Battlecruisers or was really down to no money so the only safe thing to do was a war of attrition. He had sick base defenses so I had to wear him down."
That should shut all the peopel ragging on him for not attacking up. I thought he played that 80 min game very very well, the only questionable thing was not attacking for so long at the end (which he just explained, he made the best choice with the information he had). Before that he was playing very well.. sniping turrets/buildings makeing sarens waste more of his limited minerals which would eventualyl cost him the game.
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On February 12 2011 11:21 SladeR wrote:
I'm not saying he wont be a good player, i'm saying that you cannot deny that his play today was quite bad. His play was not impressive at all. With that said, being good at starcraft is more effort than natural skill. Grubby's play today shows that he really needs work, and it will only be rectified by putting alot more time into ALOT more games.
You aren't really saying anything so different from everyone else, except your conclusion is negative whereas others see it as a positive. What you find 'bad' is what others find 'good given that he has just started playing'. We see and notice the same mistakes that you do. Nobody thinks he is a top player.
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Grubby was one of the best WC3 player. He was the only orc to win tournaments even though orc was considered imba, but moon or tod wiped them all out. It will be nice to see 3 WC3 pros playing SC2. 1 for each race also. Moon needs to change his style. But protoss fits grubby very very well. Orc is similar in that very strong units but not too mobile. Also protoss I think has the most micro dependant army mid-late game. Storms, warp prisms, FF, blink, pheonix. So I think grubby will exceed in all of those aspects. Getting used to constantly making probes and pylons isnt hard. Only took me 3 months of 1-2 games a day and lots of theorycrafting.
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If you were watching his games against Nony any bit closely, you'd see someone leagues behind their opposition. Nony was literally winning those games before any fights happened. I'm not saying he's never going to be good, it's just that a thread saying "Wow he really is an up and comer" is not what should be made after his games today.
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His games today weren't bad but they weren't amazing. He did show some things that indicate he could be strong in the future but he also showed a lack of experience. Luckily for him he has a very good team in EG so if he decides to take SC2 more seriously he could definitely be very good.
Don't expect him to be some kind of legend like he was in wc3 the games are completely different, I agree he has a great potential but saying things like he'll rape everyone or win gsl when he gets more practice is pretty unfair to him. The best way to approach this is to disregard his wc3 background when you watch him play, that way you don't have crazy high expectations for him and you can just enjoy watching him improve.
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On February 12 2011 11:15 ChickenLips wrote:
Sure he's a good player. But that can be said about any other player that devotes themselves to a game for a month. Especially if they've had some head start already, with Warcraft experience apparently. He makes many mistakes still. If you call his mistakes a sign of potential, then the same can be said about any other player, ever. And a good fight can mean a lot of things.
I wish he would become ridiculously good, since it can only be good for the development of the game, but I do not see him any differently than the hundreds of other players participating in tournaments. His play is solid; I just don't see what's especially amazing about it.
...lost after he went 1-1 and it was past 1am after 90 minutes of constant playing.
Is this an attempt to make an excuse for his losses? He lost because he played worse. Simple as that. His opponent probably had to deal with the exact same situation, and his opponent was able to overcome it. Even if I'm wrong, these are the conditions you must live through if you wish to be good. Say you played 100% in each and every game, then demanded a days' rest since you're not 100% up to par. You would get laughed at for suggesting something silly like that. Endurance is just as important as any other skill.
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he reminds me of madfrog (cept he's zerg)
both show brilliance at times but are overall sloppy.
im pretty sure grubby will become solid though and go far in a few euro tournaments in the future. Him, Lyn and Moon have the clear potential to be better than other "established wc3 to sc2 players" like check and maka.
It takes time though when you compare him with people that have 10 times his games played. (counting Beta games which we shouldnt underestimate in the lifetime of sc2)
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