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can you seriously start reading and dont make things up?
when did i say something about lyn not winning anything lately?
iam not his fanboy i just give him the credit he deserves.
and again i never said he was the one and only wc3 player...
he was the only Orc player for quite some time who won tournaments even tho orc was known for being 2 weak.
and yes u can read again
Lyn was a scrub UNTIL 2007. while grubby won all this tournaments shit and while lyn got on the scene and got some awesome year (2007 or 2008 dont remember now^^ the other year was awesome year for moon) Grubby was still there and won tournaments and even major tournaments.
so again how can u rlly say that grubby is/was not THE orc.
its like Moon is THE elf.
also they played like 34879539845 maps so yeah.. ur 6 wins in the last 10 matches is not really that much...
now before u might answer this read it plz and dont come with things up i never said.
btw whats up with ur "u made it up thing" thought u acted clever and shit and was so confident about it.
but yeah call me fanboy just because i know wc3 before 2007/2008ish.
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can grubby still register for tl open? Seems like all the slots are reserved.
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Ok as a war3 player, i know that grubby was in fact ONE of the best orcs. ARGUABLY the best orc along with lyn. But regardless, grubby is a pretty slick dude with some sweet control who could contend against moon and lyn. So the guy being really good at sc2 doesnt seem to surprise me too much.
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check doesnt belong in code s imho...when u saw the GSTL finals, there are much better macro players than him. he always 2 base and thats it..boring too watch. matter of time till the wc3 players (as check and maka) will be in code b and the real skilled players in code s...hopefully
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On February 12 2011 13:00 rasers wrote:
can you seriously start reading and dont make things up?
when did i say something about lyn not winning anything lately?
iam not his fanboy i just give him the credit he deserves.
and again i never said he was the one and only wc3 player...
he was the only Orc player for quite some time who won tournaments even tho orc was known for being 2 weak.
and yes u can read again
Lyn was a scrub UNTIL 2007. while grubby won all this tournaments shit and while lyn got on the scene and got some awesome year (2007 or 2008 dont remember now^^ the other year was awesome year for moon) Grubby was still there and won tournaments and even major tournaments.
so again how can u rlly say that grubby is/was not THE orc.
its like Moon is THE elf.
also they played like 34879539845 maps so yeah.. ur 6 wins in the last 10 matches is not really that much...
now before u might answer this read it plz and dont come with things up i never said.
btw whats up with ur "u made it up thing" thought u acted clever and shit and was so confident about it.
but yeah call me fanboy just because i know wc3 before 2007/2008ish.
man you are a fan boy...and a huge one! a typical wc3 noob. pls go back to readmore.de and post your xxxx there. cheers
User was warned for this post
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Lyn is a better wc3 player than Grubby and Lyn has been playing sc2 since beta, whats your thoughts?
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On February 12 2011 11:13 ELA wrote:
I really want to see Grubby do well in SC2, he just seems like such a likeable guy in every way..
Exactly
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On February 12 2011 12:28 Zechs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 12:10 rasers wrote:On February 12 2011 11:44 Zechs wrote:On February 12 2011 11:36 holy_war wrote:On February 12 2011 11:30 Mafs wrote:
Grubby was one of the best WC3 player. He was the only orc to win tournaments even though orc was considered imba, but moon or tod wiped them all out. It will be nice to see 3 WC3 pros playing SC2. 1 for each race also. Moon needs to change his style. But protoss fits grubby very very well. Orc is similar in that very strong units but not too mobile. Also protoss I think has the most micro dependant army mid-late game. Storms, warp prisms, FF, blink, pheonix. So I think grubby will exceed in all of those aspects. Getting used to constantly making probes and pylons isnt hard. Only took me 3 months of 1-2 games a day and lots of theorycrafting. You forgot about Lyn (Orc) who was a beast for the last 2-3 years. Oh btw, Lyn is in Code S. There is quite a laundry list of players who were better than Grubby at various periods. I'd love to see Fly100% move to SC2, but his amazing micro doesn't really have much of a home in this game. His macro often let him down, even in WC3. Also, Lucifron was another top-level orc who beat Grubby numerous times - he posted some great results in the beta/early days of SC2 but succumbed to University in recent months. The point is, Grubby was not some kind of undisputed king of WC3 like some people seem to be insinuating. He wasn't even the best orc, because orc mirror is too random (i hate that word, but it's kinda true) to really pick one. so u started following Wc3 when? 2007 2008ish? grubby was THE Orc after his first WCG win in 2004 together with Zacard he made Orc what it is. so yes he was the best orc. and with ur logic we never have a best player for 1 race. Flash is not the best T because he lost sometimes vs fantasy or MVP. i also wonder how he wasnt the king of wc3 with moon? they got him 2 or 3 times over 2 korea just to play 1!! bo5 against moon for like 10k$ or something. wonder why this never happened to Fly , Lyn and hahaha Lucifron.. There was a time when he was THE one. not in the last 2 3 years but yeah in the start of his career. on topic. his games were suprising good and i doubt we will find many people that play that good after 3 weeks. (playing some games in beta for fun or 2n2 with his GF u rlly think that means something?) I don't usually reply to fanboys, but... are you for real? You claim that he was "THE ONE" while admitting in the exact same post that Zacard helped him to make orc what it is. Grubby was an excellent player, definitely one of the best, but THE best? Nope, sorry. Moon has more accomplishments and beat Grubby 1on1 many, many times. The reason that Lyn never flew to Korea to play in your fictional $10k series (any idea of what that was called or who sponsored it? No? Oh right, that's becuase you just fucking invented it... o_O) is because a) Lyn lives in Korea already... d'uh, and b) as i said, you just made that BO5 up - it's pretty funny.
I'm sorry but when you think about orc Grubby is "THE ONE". It is true that for long periods of time during his career he was not the absolutely best player that no one could beat. There were many periods when there were one or a few players that were actually better but there are many reasons why Grubby is "THE ONE" orc:
- when he began his success, he was the only orc besides Zacard that posted any results (and Grubby's results were quite good). I hope that you remember that orc was widely considered imba weak back then...
- he's been at the very top for a ridiculously long time, getting great results throughout his whole career
- he had a period when he was dominating completely, winning almost everything he played (must have been somewhere between 2005-2007. for like an year he was demolishing everybody. I believe at the end of his era of utter domination the moon vs grubby series were organized to see who was the better one because they had been winning everything they entered but had no chance to play against eachother for a long time due to the segregation of Korean and Foreigner players)
- besides his success at international events, he has been dominating Europe for almost his whole career
- he dominated wc3l for a looooong time (winning offline finals with only 3 players contributed to his legacy)
I have to agree though that in the last 2 or so years Grubby has not been the best orc. Lyn and Fly got better results. However, he was still up there and was still winning much. When people talk about orc, the first thing that comes to mind is Grubby, because he was simply the orc hero. (Just like Moon was "the one" night elf)
edit:
I remembered a lovely quote by Grubby:
"playing NE vs Orcs is like shooting handicapped ducks in a barrel."
And it felt like it when every other orc faced an elf back in the day, but Grubby actually managed to beat the best elfs on a regular basis.
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I was surprised and I completely enjoyed all of Grubby's games. It's pretty clear he's got a long way to go, but he brought more of WC3 into SC2 than any of the other WC3 players and it did put him in advantageous positions (even though he couldn't capitalize.)
Also, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when he built 3 gateways with 3 probes.
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He probably WILL be good, as of now, he displays multiple mistakes in fundamental mechanics he needs to correct. He seems to have good unit control and decision making, but his macro is slacking terribly, floating 700 minerals at the start of the game is not a good thing, he seems to forget warp gate cycles, probes and pylons.
He needs to work a lot, but for having played for only a small amount of time, he's quite good, he needs to train basic starcraft, try not to jump a step ahead, since what seems to be the problem is fundamentals.
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On February 12 2011 13:12 ageai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 13:00 rasers wrote:
can you seriously start reading and dont make things up?
when did i say something about lyn not winning anything lately?
iam not his fanboy i just give him the credit he deserves.
and again i never said he was the one and only wc3 player...
he was the only Orc player for quite some time who won tournaments even tho orc was known for being 2 weak.
and yes u can read again
Lyn was a scrub UNTIL 2007. while grubby won all this tournaments shit and while lyn got on the scene and got some awesome year (2007 or 2008 dont remember now^^ the other year was awesome year for moon) Grubby was still there and won tournaments and even major tournaments.
so again how can u rlly say that grubby is/was not THE orc.
its like Moon is THE elf.
also they played like 34879539845 maps so yeah.. ur 6 wins in the last 10 matches is not really that much...
now before u might answer this read it plz and dont come with things up i never said.
btw whats up with ur "u made it up thing" thought u acted clever and shit and was so confident about it.
but yeah call me fanboy just because i know wc3 before 2007/2008ish. man you are a fan boy...and a huge one! a typical wc3 noob. pls go back to readmore.de and post your xxxx there. cheers
Almost every post you've made that involves a WC3 player has been nothing but bashing the game and those players. We get it, you're one of the people who hate the game.
On topic, I thought his games today were entertaining as hell. Sure, he'll probably never be the powerhouse he was in WC3, but he still carries massive weight in the eSports scene and it can be nothing but beneficial to it as long as he continues to train and improve.
Also props to him for allowing himself to be put against all challengers, class act.
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I think he will do fine in the future and with EG backing him up, even better.
GL and best of luck Grubby
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i think this post is misleading and that is why Grubby is getting all the hate
1. Grubby did not play impressively. To play impressively you need to show that you have the build orders, macro, and decision making capable to beat a top pro in a straight up game. ST_Bomber, IMSeeD, and other no-namers who showed up in the GSTL were impressive. Grubby did not show any of those qualities. Reckless counterattacks and ill-advised decisions are the play of BitByBitPrime, not of someone we can place our hopes to be a top sc2 player.
2. Grubby hasn't been playing for 3 weeks only. He may have been practicing seriously for 3 weeks, but he has been playing a lot longer than that. There are replays of him which prove he has been playing a lot longer.
3. It's way too early to judge Grubby now. It's way too early to say if he can or cannot adapt to sc2.
4. It's way too early to post about Grubby. He may be iconic in the wc3 scene, but if another player played like him we'd be calling him a noob. Complimenting every single failure by Grubby will only alienate sc2 fans from him, because he is not deserving of such exposure in sc2.
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I'm sure he's played for more than 3 weeks but perhaps he's only played seriously for that long. I'm glad he's improving quickly and I'm sure he will be one of the top players within the next 6 months.
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On February 12 2011 13:00 rasers wrote:
can you seriously start reading and dont make things up?
when did i say something about lyn not winning anything lately?
iam not his fanboy i just give him the credit he deserves.
and again i never said he was the one and only wc3 player...
he was the only Orc player for quite some time who won tournaments even tho orc was known for being 2 weak.
and yes u can read again
Lyn was a scrub UNTIL 2007. while grubby won all this tournaments shit and while lyn got on the scene and got some awesome year (2007 or 2008 dont remember now^^ the other year was awesome year for moon) Grubby was still there and won tournaments and even major tournaments.
so again how can u rlly say that grubby is/was not THE orc.
its like Moon is THE elf.
also they played like 34879539845 maps so yeah.. ur 6 wins in the last 10 matches is not really that much...
now before u might answer this read it plz and dont come with things up i never said.
btw whats up with ur "u made it up thing" thought u acted clever and shit and was so confident about it.
but yeah call me fanboy just because i know wc3 before 2007/2008ish.
- Lyn had played in wc3 proleagues & starleagues since 2004
- Lyn took 2nd place in MBC MWL2005, losing only to the real ONE aka Moon (hilariously Moon's team back then was also named ONE). yeah I bet no scrub can be korean 2nd best player
- I can always found a better orc in each period of Grubby's so-called dominations like DayFly (early MBC leagues), Zad, FarSeer (1st starwars) ,Lyn, WhO
- Sadly Korean qualifier was way too harsh so u didnt get to see much of these better orcs in WCG or ESWC
- You might not know these facts cuz U probably didnt follow the scene before 2007
On-topic: I may see Grubby get to the league of european tops in a short time but again, that 80 mins game doesnt amaze me since he has a turtle style since long, not dare attacking anything and try to take advantage of hit & run sneaky attacks
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On February 12 2011 14:23 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think this post is misleading and that is why Grubby is getting all the hate
1. Grubby did not play impressively. To play impressively you need to show that you have the build orders, macro, and decision making capable to beat a top pro in a straight up game. ST_Bomber, IMSeeD, and other no-namers who showed up in the GSTL were impressive. Grubby did not show any of those qualities. Reckless counterattacks and ill-advised decisions are the play of BitByBitPrime, not of someone we can place our hopes to be a top sc2 player.
2. Grubby hasn't been playing for 3 weeks only. He may have been practicing seriously for 3 weeks, but he has been playing a lot longer than that. There are replays of him which prove he has been playing a lot longer.
3. It's way too early to judge Grubby now. It's way too early to say if he can or cannot adapt to sc2.
4. It's way too early to post about Grubby. He may be iconic in the wc3 scene, but if another player played like him we'd be calling him a noob. Complimenting every single failure by Grubby will only alienate sc2 fans from him, because he is not deserving of such exposure in sc2.
Beating Sarens in an 80 min game doesnt sound much like BBBprime. It isnt too early to post about grubby we want to discuss how he develops and he has earned his exposure..
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Ugh, how is there 5 pages about whether or not Grubby is going to do well in SC2?
The only players that will ever do well in competitive RTS environment, are the ones who can improve within the competitive environment through dedication and making the most of their particular natural aptitude. Grubby has achieved this in War3. War3 is not SC2. SC2 will have somewhat similar competitive environment, and Grubby will either do well or not based on whether or not he can stay dedicated and make the most of his particular natural aptitude. There is no argument of SC2 vs War3 vs BW worth having. We will see if he does well or not in time. There doesnt need to be 5 pages of this.
I personally hope that Grubby does well. He certainly has been a strong competitive player in the past. Whether or not he can repeat himself in SC2 has little to nothing to do with the speculation people are spouting in this thread. If anything, his success in War3 should earn him at least the amount of respect it takes to wait to see how he does before we start predicting his failure with such certainty. Im thrilled just to see him try, no matter what the results are.
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On February 12 2011 13:24 Jibba wrote:
Also, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when he built 3 gateways with 3 probes.
Are you serious? I must see this VOD.
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WC3 players generally seem to transition pretty well into SC2 and I can see Grubby doing the same. Obviously nothing's guaranteed, but many RTS games require relatively similar set of skills and the years of tournament experience Grubby has under his belt should definitely come in handy as well.
That said, my god I hope I don't come here sometime in April and see people saying "Grubby is so damn amazing for doing this well when he's only been playing seriously for exactly 17 days!!!@"
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