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theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
February 03 2011 20:43 GMT
#301
Theblueone #679
ENFP
Zerg
Diamond
Change a vote, and change the world
Malminos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
February 03 2011 20:44 GMT
#302
Malminos.432
ISTJ
Zerg
"To dream of because become happiness "
Atarbomachos
Profile Joined November 2010
3 Posts
February 03 2011 20:45 GMT
#303
Atarbomachos.706
ENTP
Zerg
Diamond
stupidhydro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States216 Posts
February 03 2011 20:50 GMT
#304
Stupid #710
ENTP
Random
Masters

I don't really know how to interpret the results and what this strength of preference percentage means but... yea... there you go.
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
February 03 2011 21:00 GMT
#305
INTJ
Masters
zerg
thebullfrog
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
February 03 2011 21:00 GMT
#306
Daimai.551
INTJ
Protoss
Diamond
To pray is to accept defeat.
Phinix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States116 Posts
February 03 2011 21:01 GMT
#307
On February 04 2011 06:00 theBullFrog wrote:
INTJ
Masters
zerg

Need character codes to be able to use data, please. :-)
You can submit via E-Mail if you want info kept private: Phinix@sc2persona.com
My wife thinks day[9] is hot
SwirlyRolls
Profile Joined January 2011
United States15 Posts
February 03 2011 21:01 GMT
#308
Swirlyrolls.506
ESFP
zerg
masters
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 21:13:57
February 03 2011 21:13 GMT
#309
On February 04 2011 00:55 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 21:13 Beyonder wrote:
On February 03 2011 19:01 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On February 03 2011 18:37 Erandorr wrote:
On February 03 2011 18:25 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On February 03 2011 04:11 akaname wrote:
this is amazing, i'm a psychologist and i love it.
Surely you should know as a psychologist that Myers-Briggs is basically your average pseudo-science? It really has no more predictive value than enneagrams.

Runkk#195
INTP, INFP, INTJ, INFJ (depending on when I take the test and what test I take)
Protoss/Zerg.

Yeah thats why im doubtful as well. The chances that this unbelievably limited test can show anything are very slim in my opinion.
What I always found odd is that the psychological community generally is very critical towards stuff like Myers-Briggs and 'emotional intelligence', but at the same time all stand firmly behind the notion of 'IQ' and 'IQ tests'.

I mean, IQ tests are as reproducible as cannon rushes and lack any constructive value. There are people who score phaenomenal at IQ tests but have accomplished nothing intellectually, and the reverse. My cents are that IQ tests, and the entire notion of 'IQ', the supposed metre on 'intelligence' are as pseudo-scientific as Myers-Briggs or 'emotional intelligence'.


Uhm, IQ tests predict performance in education job performance very well. There is no other instrument that predicts as well as a good intelligence test (not even a very, very expensive assessment centre matches the IQ test in general). What does emotional intelligence predict?

I like how you mention some individuals with a high IQ that do not perform well... We're talking populations here, norm groups. No offence, but you are pretty clueless on this subject.


Well to be fair you can learn for IQ tests.
I had to do one ( it was not called that but it esentially was) for a college aplication and a friend recommended to me to do a few and it really improves the results, because you see the thoughpatterns required etc. An IQ test just measures what its designed for, which is basicly measuring how quickly and correctly you can understand and apply certain patterns in different categories. There are quite a few people who just train a lot for the test and then score high results based on training not "intelligence" whatever that even is and noone would ever think them to be of high intelligence. Of course if you are really smart you will get through those tests without much preparation but i would never value someones intelligence by that standart
Also, as you might expect, the more IQ test you've made, the better you're becoming at it. Does making IQ tests make you 'smarter'?

Imagine if weighing the mass of some object increased its mass after multiple measurements, not really a reliable method eh? :')




On February 04 2011 01:58 Beyonder wrote:
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I studied physics, I can predict the path electrons will take in an electric field down to femtometric precision, furthermore, I can quantify the uncertainty of my measurements in hard units and account exactly how much they leak through. You will pardon my snobbish elitism I hope when what I learnt actually has to do with bloody hard numbers and irrefutable stone cold mathematics rather than this creative interpretation of results.


You can debate, but yes there are measures that tell us how well one does in a job or in an educational setting. Not that unthinkable is it? There's entire sub-field of psychology dedicated to it.
Yeah, there are 'measures', which make large assumptions, personal interpretations, subjective analyses, and what the one psychologist considers 'successful' the other disagrees with.

I want hard, cold units. Which do exist in psychology by the way, a simple example of a hard, cold, unit used in psychology is a sentence like this:

'Of all people in the group investigated, the median amount of REM sleep per night in the experimental condition was 5 cycles'

This is a hard unit, there is no disputing it.


No they are not, they are not ridiculously poor. Actually, the correlation between measures of IQ and job and educational performance is quite high (= a good predictor). Additionally, IQ is ideally measured more than once. However, a good intelligence test will report a confidence interval scale... And although there is variation, this variation is not nearly as high as what youve written. The correlation between intelligence tests at the beginning and at the end of youth are really high as well, for example, indicating the strength of the measurement even over the course of the development.
Be more specific, what do you call 'really high'?

Dude, I'm used to apparatus that measure stuff up to femtometric precision, I find a confidence interval of 5 points (which is precise for an IQ test) unacceptable noise. You realize that is one-third of a standard deviation right?


There are barely any good research articles done on EQ, while there are tons for IQ. Throwing these two in one sentence is a sign of being uneducated on this subject. Additionally, of course there are exceptions, but population wise it's a good indicator.
As I noted, population wise, length is also a 'good' indicator.

Be less vague with 'they are not ridiculously poor', I want some hard numbers, what are the confidence intervals, what are the average standard deviations of test. What's the expectancy value for a test to deviate when you take it the next day?

And yes, there is more research done on IQ I give you that, and it all should show for any scientific mind that IQ is bollocks. They are completely unreliable, it's quite the norm that it can differ 5 points if you take it the next day, 10 is not exceptional, and 15 is quite possible, this is completely unreliable and unacceptable to me as a tool.

And then comes the validity, I mean, what the fuck is 'intelligence', to begin with? The pompous ridicule of it, psychology freely, and correctly, admits that the term 'intelligence' is vague, and il-defined, how can you even begin to test the validity of a test then?

It even remains to be proven that this elusive concept of 'intelligence' even exists. I for one am very, very, sceptical towards its existence.

And the list goes on. Really, get off your high exact science horse. There's a reason why we call these social sciences. And yes, they work differently from what you are used to. But if you really want to say something on this topic, I suggest reading some.
Social sciences are a joke compared to actual sciences. My elitism is fully justified considering the rigour I was trained at and the precision my instruments were required to have compared to this ridiculous anything-goes reasoning of social """research""", please, I read enough, and I think you need to read more about actual sciences and its methodology and realize just how much different it is and how much higher the standards are.

I mean, psychological research is subject to different interpretations, the interpretation of the data collected can be criticized as much as the conclusions drawn from it, that is completely unacceptable in an actual rigorous science. Anyone must come to the same conclusion from the same data or the methodology used is severely flawed.

You can debate the construct, but you can not really debate how useful it is when large populations need to be assessed on how well they will do for a certain job, or a certain education. And this is what it was designed for, and it does the best job possible.
'useful'?

Yeah, it does the best job at the current point, and that's the worst of sins and flaws that are continued to be made 'Ohh, it's clearly lacking in precision, has huge uncertainties, but there's nothing better so we'll just take it.', grow some standard man.

If there's nothing better than bad, what is bad is still bad, there's just nothing good around.

And the reason that nothing good is around could very well be that this 'intelligence' as a metre does not even exist.

Anyways, im quitting derailing this thread now. Nice initiative and I in no way mean to criticise this. I just hate the ignorance on this topic.
Bold of you to speak of ignorance.

We have hardly even quantified our statements and it should be clear that my demands on precision are higher than yours and what you call 'precise' I call unacceptable unreliability. I'm pretty sure we can both agree that it's far from exceptional that an IQ test taken again the next day shows a 5 point deviation. If you want to call that an acceptable reliability, or a confidence factor of 5 acceptable than that's your own prerogative, it's just absurd to call an uncertainty of 1/3 of a standard deviation acceptable.

And that still ignores the philosophical issue of the existence of 'intelligence' or a metre thereon.


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Stereotype
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 21:33:02
February 03 2011 21:15 GMT
#310
Stereotype.788 NA
ENTP
Zerg
Diamond

Looking at all the data so far as updated on google docs, I find it kinda funny that ENTPs (15/247 entries if I add myself) all seem to be the following:

League: 4 Unlisted, 7 Diamond, 4 Masters
Race: 11 Zerg, 1 Protoss, 1 Terran, 2 Random

ENTP = FOR THE SWARM!
Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. -- John Lennon
Giwoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)431 Posts
February 03 2011 21:36 GMT
#311
Giwoon 208 US
ENFP
Zerg
2.2k Diamond
BUTTHURT?
dogbreath48
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 16:14:10
February 03 2011 22:23 GMT
#312
DogBreath #371 NA
INTJ
terran
bronze

Strength of the preferences %
44 38 75 22

re took the test
Extraverted (E) 61%
Intuitive (N) 68%
Thinking (T) 75%
Perceiving (P) 77%

i am in silver now
less QQ moar PEW PEW
BordZ
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 23:39:35
February 03 2011 23:36 GMT
#313
Vlocbordz#619 (sea)
Intj
Silver
Zerg
Mkoms
Profile Joined December 2002
United States128 Posts
February 03 2011 23:58 GMT
#314
Neat.

Mkoms.944 NA
ENTP
Diamond
Zerg
Tekst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States14 Posts
February 04 2011 00:12 GMT
#315
Enigma.908
INTP / ISTP slightly more INTP
Terran
Bronze for now, just getting serious though.

I feel like both INTP and ISTP make a lot of sense.
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 00:22:35
February 04 2011 00:15 GMT
#316
Assymptotic#312 (NA)
INTP
Protoss
Diamond

note that I've been inactive from SC2 for several months
So close, and yet so far
Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
February 04 2011 00:17 GMT
#317
LaDilettante.791 (NA)
INTP
Protoss
Diamond
Best or nothing.
MalMal
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada94 Posts
February 04 2011 00:27 GMT
#318
Mal.566
ENTJ
Zerg
Diamond
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 04 2011 01:58 GMT
#319
On February 04 2011 06:15 Stereotype wrote:
Stereotype.788 NA
ENTP
Zerg
Diamond

Looking at all the data so far as updated on google docs, I find it kinda funny that ENTPs (15/247 entries if I add myself) all seem to be the following:

League: 4 Unlisted, 7 Diamond, 4 Masters
Race: 11 Zerg, 1 Protoss, 1 Terran, 2 Random

ENTP = FOR THE SWARM!


I find it odd, as i was reading what ENTP means (The visionary type) i would assume that most people would pick.

a) Random (the most options, i used to do that)
b) Protoss (race with a lot of options and spells, like Nal_Ra. the dreamer)

Zerg is a very mechanical race (or it was in SC:BW, in SC2 there is no mechanical races as it's easy to macro) so it just doesn't add up. dunno.

Hope i will not be the only Protoss.
I am not good with quotes
Mokaccino
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia4 Posts
February 04 2011 03:08 GMT
#320
Mokaccino. 651.SEA
INFJ
Protoss
Platinum
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