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jordanshadow
7 Posts
Advantages: 1. can easily cycle throught bases to see if its time to inject. 2. queens do not have to be syncronized. 3. less actions then 55v click 66v click 77v click 4. do not have to skip past hatcheries without queens (backspace method). Disadvantages: 1. not as fast as backspace method 2. less control of individual queens Hope this helps someone. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
I'm sure this will help many of people. Its very organized and i spent many of hours practicing different layouts. Everyone uses what works for them i cant play with something not comfortable to me. On January 24 2011 15:25 Xapti wrote: I think it's a nice option as long as you know which location is where (which one would), since if one inject is already done, you don't need to go to it - the minor problem I get all the time using backspace is that 1-3 hatches could already be injected, and i'll need to hit Backspace that many extra times. No biggie for me though Thats true, it could be faster given that reason, but considering its not backspace its w, it shaves allot of time off rather then double tapping keys. I have all my injects timed so there at the same time. I also spread creep right after i inject every time. This helps improve my habit. Creep is what every zerg should want to have allot of. I have tried every inject style unless someone just came out with one, i find this one i use now the most time saving. There is no right or wrong, just what we find works better for us. Many pros spread creep that way and have timers in there head (Ret to name one (its not uncommon to inject all at once, In fact its common. Its a good way to learn not to miss injects)). Doing everything at once and having a organized step process will only help improve your overall macro and muscle memory. To solve the queen meltdowns when cycling hatches i just press s. and continue to the next cycle. I always have a eye on the map so if i see a queen miss step, or no queen is near the next cycled hatch i know that i mistakenly clicked on a hatch without a queen beside it. If watched it becomes second nature and queen melt downs don't become a problem really at all. This is just my theory, that has worked for me. I hope this can prove helpful. - Chef, NA Server | ||
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KahunaNui
Spain257 Posts
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
Over and over again. It's actually REALLY fast when you get used to it. I use the MX518 from Logitec. any mouse with a thumb button though will work with this. To clarify: Tap 4, Mb5, v click, mb5, click, mb5, click.... | ||
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asdfjh
Canada230 Posts
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
I don't shift inject until i get my macro hatch up early game. I Like to get a macro hatch before my third most of the time. So i will start to shift inject when i get 3-4 hatcheries. Until then i just tap 4 (queens) w (center hatchery) and e (inject) | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
It's done very very fast. The fun part is once all your injects are synced, you can tap mb5 and check your injects, then go back to whatever the hell else you were doing. Also, since your using both hands, you take strain off your left hand to do other stuff as well. | ||
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HeadDesk
United States171 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:50 KahunaNui wrote: So you only use 123490 for buildings/units? If you have 3 or more hatcheries don't you have too few hotkeys for banelings, mutas, etc.? Just curious. I imagine all hatcheries are on the same hotkey as well. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:59 Crackensan wrote: @asdfjh: yeah, it's the backspace method, but instead of backspace it's, for me, mouse button five, which is my right thumb on my mouse hand. It's done very very fast. The fun part is once all your injects are synced, you can tap mb5 and check your injects, then go back to whatever the hell else you were doing. Also, since your using both hands, you take strain off your left hand to do other stuff as well. I have given the f7 and f8 keys to my mouse back button and forward button so when i go to spread creep after the injects i can just tap 5 and center to the creep tumors, Alternate creep tumor button is r and c is still the main hot key. I feel its a more, smoother button process, because its difficult to keep pressing the mouse button and left click at the same time, this is how i find it works for me though. Also it frees up 2 map hot keys to spread creep faster. On February 24 2011 10:04 HeadDesk wrote: I imagine all hatcheries are on the same hotkey as well. Yes in my first post in the first paragraph i said all my hatcheries are hot keyed to 3 | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:22 synapse wrote: What's wrong with just doing this with F5~F8? They're even sectioned off from the rest of the F# hotkeys. Nothing is wrong with it, I feel in my play its just in a inconvenient spot. I changed f5 - f8 to f1 - f4 With idle work as my scroll button on the mouse. I don't know if you realize this but I'm not just changing the go to hot key, I'm also changing the make control group/spot hot key. So if it was shift + f5 to create and 5 to view, it is now shift+ mouse button, and mouse button to view. | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
That is genius. This is why I come here, thank you! | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:27 Crackensan wrote: .... Idle worker to scroll button on mouse. That is genius. This is why I come here, thank you! I know it makes it a hell of allot easier to mass expand as zerg. its no problem, i spent allot of time adjusting and trying out new ideas, it takes practice but can be well worth it. Every change was well thought out, I am very happy to share my findings and hard work with all the other zergs in these dark times. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
2. Shift + 1 2 3 4 for reminder. 3. Hotkey 6 = all queens 4. Type 6 then v then shift and hold it 5. Type 1 then left click and repeat untill all ur hatches are injected. 6. ??? 7. Profit. I really hate the backspace method because of 2 things : If you have more hatches than queens, some of them can travel accross the whole map just to do an inject, and you have less control over the bases. You can always save the others hotkeys for single queens or hatches in case you want to get on this particular base but meh, better use the camera locations. This is my method. Helps a lot when you have 3+ bases and could save you 3 seconds for sure. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:42 RaiZ wrote: 1. Shift + f1 f2 f3 f4 for saving camera locations. 2. Shift + 1 2 3 4 for reminder. 3. Hotkey 6 = all queens 4. Type 6 then v then shift and hold it 5. Type 1 then left click and repeat untill all ur hatches are injected. 6. ??? 7. Profit. I really hate the backspace method because of 2 things : If you have more hatches than queens, some of them can travel accross the whole map just to do an inject, and you have less control over the bases. You can always save the others hotkeys for single queens or hatches in case you want to get on this particular base but meh, better use the camera locations. This is my method. Helps a lot when you have 3+ bases and could save you 3 seconds for sure. that is a good idea, but i find the shift + number command to important when cycling hatcheries. I Use it very often to add to the queens control group and hatcheries control group From a earlier post further up i said this is how i deal with the Queens running all over the map: To solve the queen meltdowns when cycling hatches i just tap queens hot key and press s. and continue to the next cycle. I always have a eye on the map so if i see a queen miss step, or no queen is near the next cycled hatch i know that i mistakenly clicked on a hatch without a queen beside it. If watched it becomes second nature and queen melt downs don't become a problem really at all. I also, have gotten good at spotting a queen really fast while cycling, you have to slow down for a little bit and get used to it, i don't spam w and click. There is a pattern in the cycles it will cycle the hatcheries in the order they we're put up. So if you are able to remember how many hatcheries you just put up or lost a queen on which hatch. To approach this, i mentally give every hatch a number, and w click that amount of times. It is very fast once you get used to it. After all why spam anything if its going to make you miss click and can easily be a game losing mistake in an important situation ? | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
You manually go to each hatchery, grab each queen, fight with them in a ball, then send them all back? :/ | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:59 Fa1nT wrote: For people who do not use the 5 queen, 6 queen, 7 queen, etc method.... how the hell do you micro your queens when hellions/reapers/banshee/void rays/etc come? You manually go to each hatchery, grab each queen, fight with them in a ball, then send them all back? :/ i would use w to center the hatcheries, i would have 3 queens up in almost every situation considering all those harassments come when your on 2 bases, I always have my queens all hot keyed to 4 so i simply just need to hit 4. to deal with it You don't need to micro a single unit per hot key to be successful at micro. if there all binned to one hot key you can simply pull away the weaker queen, and or transfuse. After the engagement i will send all the queens to one hatch shift click a queen away in the group and send them to the next and repeat until there all assigned to there hatch again. | ||
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pAnic677
Portugal26 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:59 Fa1nT wrote: For people who do not use the 5 queen, 6 queen, 7 queen, etc method.... how the hell do you micro your queens when hellions/reapers/banshee/void rays/etc come? You manually go to each hatchery, grab each queen, fight with them in a ball, then send them all back? :/ yea... what i do is hit space bar and then move it that way... thats only if im not watching my mini map usually with good spread i can see all this. im trying the shift+1=5 shift+2=6 im trying to put all my queens on different hotkeys but it gets used to the reason for this is because then i would have to change a lot of my hot keys. it was brought to my attention of this following cycle: shift+1= 6 shift+2=7 shift+3=8 q=9 w=0 and setting main hatch to `(to the left of 1) then setting the inject to "e" so it would look like this: !!E @@E ##E QQE WWE although i can not claim credit for this thought because it was not my idea Decemvre gave me the idea about it.... | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 11:08 pAnic677 wrote: yea... what i do is hit space bar and then move it that way... thats only if im not watching my mini map usually with good spread i can see all this. im trying the shift+1=5 shift+2=6 im trying to put all my queens on different hotkeys but it gets used to the reason for this is because then i would have to change a lot of my hot keys. it was brought to my attention of this following cycle: shift+1= 6 shift+2=7 shift+3=8 q=9 w=0 and setting main hatch to `(to the left of 1) then setting the inject to "e" so it would look like this: !!E @@E ##E QQE WWE although i can not claim credit for this thought because it was not my idea Decemvre gave me the idea about it.... that is a nice idea, to try and reach the 6-8 hot keys, i also changed them but not like that because i use the shift + control group allot to add to them, Instead i made a alternate hot key to make 6-9 control groups, i now use both ctrl + number or alt + number | ||
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pAnic677
Portugal26 Posts
On February 24 2011 11:13 ChefStarCraft wrote: that is a nice idea, to try and reach the 6-8 hot keys, i also changed them but not like that because i use the shift + control group allot to add to them, Instead i made a alternate hot key to make 6-9 control groups, i now use both ctrl + number or alt + number yea i find the big draw to this is the fact that adding group1-5 is no long shift instead i did Ctrl+shift+1-4 to add to that group already | ||
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ChoiBoi
United States130 Posts
That's how I do it, anyways User was warned for this post | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
To the person asking how to micro queens on one hotkey to defend against hellions: Kill the hellions before they are at yoru base? :D It's hard, quite frankly, the one Queen hotkey method's glaring weakness is this. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 11:20 Crackensan wrote: It really comes down to comfort and personal preference. To the person asking how to micro queens on one hotkey to defend against hellions: Kill the hellions before they are at yoru base? :D It's hard, quite frankly, the one Queen hotkey method's glaring weakness is this. It does come down to whats comfortable, no right or wrong. All Personal preference like crack said. And about that being a weakness. I'm not sure what your talking about, i never have a problem with that kind of harass. unless its hellions transitioned from something and hes being smart about it, it may catch me off guard. But i haven't ever had a problem defending with this hot key set up. Possibly if its that big of a deal you may be doing something else wrong. If there are allot of hellions roaches are a good transition. | ||
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Crackensan
United States479 Posts
a) have a bunch of larva to replace drones. b) Not give a shit because you have 3 mining bases+4th partial mining base, why do you care? I did this on steppes Vs. Terran, Baneling bust (which is an all-in, i'll admit) into taking 3 expos and muta harass. Pinned, then killed him. EDIT: This is silver league.... I probably won't get away with it in higher leagues. Was fun though. | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 24 2011 11:19 ChoiBoi wrote: if you really want to spend less time injecting, and you're a precise clicker, set them to a universal hotkey AND CLICK USING THE MINIMAP (GASP) That's how I do it, anyways I have gave this some thought as well, but when or if bigger maps come into play, it becomes allot harder to do. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
However, I have been thinking about moving to camera controls, but its kind of annoying with my current keyboard. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
it's so ridiculously easy haha | ||
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
We have it hard already on smaller maps, This just gives us a few secs here or there, but remember time can quickly add up and soon your a minute ahead or behind Zerg love | ||
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zylog
Canada943 Posts
However, on some maps, like scrap station or metalopolis close positions, my third base is going to be somewhere across on the other side of the map. In such a case, marching the third queen across the map is impractical, and my current method changes from something I don't have to think about to something I have to pay some attention to. Sometimes I tell a queen to inject an unoccupied hatchery - if I don't stop her right away, then another queen will be pulled to cover her hatchery, and in the end all of my queens will have moved out of their original position. Occasionally, I'm feeling really stressed and just spam click many time so I can get back into the action as soon as possible. Given enough time, all my hatcheries will gain extra larvae, but if my hatches aren't fully connected by creep, I sometimes won't have enough larvae because my queens are stuck moving over open ground. When I tried the method listed here, I made a test situation where I have 4 bases, one without a queen, set to F5 through F8. The 4th base doesn't have a queen (new base) while my natural has two hatcheries with queens. My queens are all hotkeyed to 5 while my hatches are all hotkeyed to 4. There are a couple of ways that felt reasonably comfortable considering this is a new setup for me: (camera hotkey -> queen hotkey -> inject -> click) * repeat or queen hotkey -> inject -> shift + (camera hotkey -> click)*repeat For the second method, I set the alternates for the camera hotkeys to shift+F4, shift+F5, etc. This way, I take out a keystroke for each hatch I want to inject. For my macro hatch, I just click twice when the camera is in the base with multiple hatcheries. I also use a thumb button on my mouse as shift so it's a bit more easily reachable. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3868/69800717.jpg) With big finger I can multi-inject a lot hacteries very fast. So with this hotkey scheme zerg macro is easiest in SC2, easiest than terran and protoss macro | ||
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jordanshadow
7 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:50 KahunaNui wrote: So you only use 123490 for buildings/units? If you have 3 or more hatcheries don't you have too few hotkeys for banelings, mutas, etc.? Just curious. I added ~ - = to my hotkeys to replace the missing ones, but I usually only use ~. My hotkeys are as follows 1,2 units 3 queens, 4 all hatches, 5,6,7,8 camera hotkeys, 9 first overlord and first overseer, 0 second overlord nydus worm. I generally control my armies with 1 and 2 but if need be I add ~. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
What I've changed so far: + Show Spoiler + Backspace (cycle through hatcheries) changed to tilde ( ` ) -- This honestly feels GREAT, it's so easy to inject now - I wish I'd changed sooner! My '9' hotkey has an alternate hotkey as 'W' -- I now have all my hatches on 'W' (aka 9) instead of '5'. This is not only easier to hit, but it means I free up the '5' hotkey for other things (the current plan being to bind a single hatchery to '5' so that I can tap the hotkey to monitor inject or lair upgrade progress). I don't mind losing the 'W' warpgate hotkey because not only did I rarely ever play Protoss, but when I did I always had my warpgates keybound to something anyway. Save/Goto camera hotkeys changed from F5-F8 to F2-F5 -- Day9 made me do it What I intend to do: + Show Spoiler + Change the Idle Worker hotkey from 'F1' to my middle mouse, then shunt my camera controls along a key. Give 'select larvae' an ALTERNATE hotkey as 'd'. -- The idea being that when I need to make drones, I can simply hold down the 'd' button and as the moment a new larvae appears at one of my hatches it gets instantaneously morphed into a drone (as both select larvae and make drone hotkeys would be 'd'). I actually tried this but I had replaced the 's' larvae hotkey, and found it very difficult to adjust. I also found it a bit more difficult when making standard units because I was trying to both select larvae and morph units with only my index finger. It didnt occur till I read this thread that having both keybound could be a possibility - the best of both worlds! I'd also like to note that you shouldn't be afraid of changing your SC2 hotkeys for fear of switching computer! Nightmare flashbacks of trying to play WoW on someone else's keyboard, without my keybinds, and without my macros spring to mind. With SC2 you can create your own custom hotkey setups, name and save these individually, and these will be stored for you on battlenet and loaded automatically when you log into your SC2 profile. Hurrah! | ||
Chill
Calgary25988 Posts
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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
On February 24 2011 11:51 -orb- wrote: just rebind the backspace function in sc2 to ~ and ezpz you can inject all your hatches in 1 second. it's so ridiculously easy haha Wow. You, sir, win. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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ChefStarCraft
Canada350 Posts
On February 25 2011 02:16 Chill wrote: This seems like a drastic change (giving up 5-0 as hotkeys - essentially 60% of your hotkeys) to have a marginally easier way to inject larvae. i agree, in my post earlier i went over how i use 3 for all my hatcheries, and 4 for all my queens. I changed ` so it would be control group 0. I can see what people are saying using ` as backspace but i feel a control group as ` is a far better choice. W feels very comfortable as backspace, in my play I also set idle worker to my middle mouse button and control spots to my mouses back and forward button to spread creep I changed tab so i can back cycle my hatcheries. e is inject, its a very smooth and fast and conveniently placed set up | ||
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