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On January 21 2011 02:04 KeepYaCoolBro wrote:
I used to watch some of Spades streaming. I had no idea of his previous exploits of BW however. I will not be supporting him or VT Gaming after researching this for an hour or so. How could VT gaming sign such a disreputable character? I liked his stream and personality but can not condone cheating of ANY kind. Lifetime ban for things like this! Pete Rose comes to mind and he didn't even cheat, just bet on baseball games.
Not so much of the "once a hacker, always a hacker" mentality, but getting caught more than once cheating just seems like bad character and morals to me. They still mean something in this day and age of Internet. I bet he subscribes to the "it's not cheating if they don't catch me" mentality. Sad for VT to be honest.
What would a lifetime ban accomplish? Most of us haven't even heard of him before, how would banning him for life years ago deter any SC2 players from cheating?
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It's good to see more Foreign teams getting into Korea. The GSL will finally be a true Global Starcraft League at this rate. Hell, I bet half of GSL's viewers didn't know the G stands for Global haha.
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He plays Terran so it shouldn't be too hard to get into Code A.
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On January 20 2011 17:20 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:On January 20 2011 17:04 Mango wrote:On January 20 2011 16:58 Goibon wrote:
Somehow i've actually heard of Spades despite not really following BW (well, at all, period). He must have done something recently in SC2 or i can't work out why i know of him as a SC player.
Either way GL!! Well you probably read his name in the list of banned hackers. I thought it was proven that he used the oblivion hack. Even though this might be a different game, I stand by the once a hacker, always a hacker and don't think he should get any attention. Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking? Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will. You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports. GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!! Proof: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/features.php?i=a&id=2381&query_id=521I understand you want to defend your teammate, but don't be ignorant in the act of doing so. If a guy doesn't care for Spades, fine, there's no need to insult him and look completely unprofessional.
It's probably already been said, but TT1 was a hacker too. No one says he should be banned.
Edit: Testie as well and he has found a home at the top of the HoN scene. Once a hacker always a hacker is garbage.
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On January 21 2011 02:40 Lennon wrote:
I can't help but be the realistic asshole that I am. VT are way over their heads. Try to dominate the US before going to Korea.
edit: I'm apparently wrong.
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i dont think he'll get in first try. but, like every foreigner in korea, his game will hopefully improve 10x and then he'll eventually make it ;D
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Well, I for one, have no doubt Spades will qualify for code A. He is good.
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On January 21 2011 03:01 Mirhi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 17:20 GoShox wrote:On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:On January 20 2011 17:04 Mango wrote:On January 20 2011 16:58 Goibon wrote:
Somehow i've actually heard of Spades despite not really following BW (well, at all, period). He must have done something recently in SC2 or i can't work out why i know of him as a SC player.
Either way GL!! Well you probably read his name in the list of banned hackers. I thought it was proven that he used the oblivion hack. Even though this might be a different game, I stand by the once a hacker, always a hacker and don't think he should get any attention. Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking? Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will. You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports. GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!! Proof: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/features.php?i=a&id=2381&query_id=521I understand you want to defend your teammate, but don't be ignorant in the act of doing so. If a guy doesn't care for Spades, fine, there's no need to insult him and look completely unprofessional. It's probably already been said, but TT1 was a hacker too. No one says he should be banned. Edit: Testie as well and he has found a home at the top of the HoN scene. Once a hacker always a hacker is garbage.
Wasn't there even some hacking stuff involving HayprO?
People do stupid shit, it just happens and they probably all got punished for it in some way...
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On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from. I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing
Because he cheated?
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On January 21 2011 03:13 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from. I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing Because he cheated?
Does that mean you don't support other former hackers? Should Fnatic dump TT1?
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He seems like a nice guy and all but he acted like a bit of a douche on a few games I've seen of him. Whatever, will have to wait and see.
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at least tt1 had the balls to admit it
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On January 21 2011 03:16 Mirhi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 03:13 IntoTheWow wrote:On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from. I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing Because he cheated? Does that mean you don't support other former hackers? Should Fnatic dump TT1?
Fnatic obviously doesn't have a problem with it. On the player descriptions on the Fnatic site it even says something like "even though he has a shady past"
Seems like most people wont get over pas events. FFS even Dimaga cheated and people LOVE him.
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On January 21 2011 03:23 Cadgers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 03:16 Mirhi wrote:On January 21 2011 03:13 IntoTheWow wrote:On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from. I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing Because he cheated? Does that mean you don't support other former hackers? Should Fnatic dump TT1? Fnatic obviously doesn't have a problem with it. On the player descriptions on the Fnatic site it even says something like "even though he has a shady past" Seems like most people wont get over pas events. FFS even Dimaga cheated and people LOVE him.
well IMO there is a huge diference between what dimaga did and what those guys did
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Best of luck ^^
Any foreigner, and any team, that heads out there should really get all of our support!
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On January 21 2011 03:03 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 02:40 Lennon wrote:
I can't help but be the realistic asshole that I am. VT are way over their heads. Try to dominate the US before going to Korea. edit: I'm apparently wrong.
I didn't see what you wrote. What were you wrong about?
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disregarding his past, i dont think he is ready as a player yet. we need to keep in mind that incontrol, ret, haypro, huk, select, and others also went to korea to try for the gsl. only a small number of those foreigners who tried made it through the qualifiers.
Yes, spades is skilled. but no, considering the quality of players who have gone before him and failed and considering the quality of players who have succeeded, id have to say that i think spades falls under the category of those who have failed.
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Something tells me he's gonna be BIG...
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Spades is a really nice guy and who cares if he hacked 5 years ago, he certainly does not hack now. At least Spades isn't a little allin newbie that shit talks every game like you duffman so please stop trolling this thread.
GL Spades !
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