Spades to Korea for GSL!

On January 20 2011 16:53 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Can anyone give me some insight on Spades? I'm not really excited as it stands seeing as how most people voted no on him entering Code A.

On January 20 2011 16:58 Goibon wrote:
Somehow i've actually heard of Spades despite not really following BW (well, at all, period). He must have done something recently in SC2 or i can't work out why i know of him as a SC player.

Either way GL!!

On January 20 2011 17:04 Mango wrote:


Well you probably read his name in the list of banned hackers.
I thought it was proven that he used the oblivion hack. Even though this might be a different game, I stand by the once a hacker, always a hacker and don't think he should get any attention.

On January 20 2011 17:04 netherDrake wrote:
He's needs to get top 200 really soon because the Code A qualifications aren't too far away.

Unless he's in the foreign invites list.

On January 20 2011 17:11 shannn wrote:

Somehow from your statement I make out of it that the code A qualifiers for foreigners is that they need to be in the top 200. Unless this has changed this last week this isn't the case for foreigners.

Don't know him but gl to him. Hope he'll make it through. More foreigners is always good.

On January 20 2011 17:04 Mango wrote:


Well you probably read his name in the list of banned hackers.
I thought it was proven that he used the oblivion hack. Even though this might be a different game, I stand by the once a hacker, always a hacker and don't think he should get any attention.

On January 20 2011 16:59 KevinIX wrote:


He's won or placed highly in several small/mid-sized tournaments. See his Liquipedia page. Of course, he's part of Team VT.

On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:


Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking?
Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will.

You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports.

GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!!

On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:


Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking?
Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will.

You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports.

GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!!

On January 20 2011 17:20 GoShox wrote:


Proof: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/features.php?i=a&id=2381&query_id=521

I understand you want to defend your teammate, but don't be ignorant in the act of doing so. If a guy doesn't care for Spades, fine, there's no need to insult him and look completely unprofessional.

On January 20 2011 17:14 netherDrake wrote:


Oh. So foreigners don't need to be in the top 200 to try to qualify, and 4 foreigners will be allowed to skip qualification and enter code A straight away?

Is that the case?

On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:


Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking?
Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will.

You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports.

GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!!

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On January 20 2011 17:14 netherDrake wrote:


Oh. So foreigners don't need to be in the top 200 to try to qualify, and 4 foreigners will be allowed to skip qualification and enter code A straight away?

Is that the case?

On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:


Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking?
Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will.

You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports.

GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!!

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On January 21 2011 00:03 Yaqoob wrote:
It's well know that he did hack and was caught more then once hacking. He was caught hacking in the Yankee league and also caught hacking in ICCup about 2 years back on smurf accounts using the oblivion hack. He was kicked out of sMi. after being caught hacking.

Also, I don't think he will make it into Code A.

On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from.

On January 20 2011 23:58 Nebula wrote:
It's hilarious how quickly the Starcraft community forgives cheaters. In quake, if you were caught cheating, that's it , end of your career, you won't be invited to any tournaments and are banned from everything. it's something we could learn from.

On January 20 2011 23:53 whiteLotus wrote:



lol realy? and what the F has he accomplished in sc2 ? except for wining few small no name tournaments lol ? way to go dude

On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:



This is a new game, the dude is older now and he was punished. I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing. I'm not sure if people bring it up just to show how "old skewl!!" they are by trying to show off they were around for the BW days or what.

On January 21 2011 00:51 jimminy_kriket wrote:
I hope you lose because of your past. As far as I remember you've never once apologized or even admitted to your hacking? Correct me if im wrong here. Players like TT1 went through a big process of public shaming and were banned from everything and made a public apology. From what I remember you just kind of disappeared, and now returned hoping people wouldn't remember what you did or that no one would tell them? Even your teammates didn't know apparently which is pretty sad, and now arlock just made an ass of himself publicly for you.

On January 20 2011 16:30 No_Roo wrote:
Go spades! I hope you get huge in korea!

On January 21 2011 00:33 ThisIsJimmy wrote:
I actually think Spades will qualify! Good luck!

On January 21 2011 00:58 trashcan wrote:


He's already huge!

On January 21 2011 01:19 Holgerius wrote:

Mean... but funny. :D

On January 21 2011 02:04 KeepYaCoolBro wrote:
I used to watch some of Spades streaming. I had no idea of his previous exploits of BW however. I will not be supporting him or VT Gaming after researching this for an hour or so. How could VT gaming sign such a disreputable character? I liked his stream and personality but can not condone cheating of ANY kind. Lifetime ban for things like this! Pete Rose comes to mind and he didn't even cheat, just bet on baseball games.

Not so much of the "once a hacker, always a hacker" mentality, but getting caught more than once cheating just seems like bad character and morals to me. They still mean something in this day and age of Internet. I bet he subscribes to the "it's not cheating if they don't catch me" mentality. Sad for VT to be honest.

On January 20 2011 17:16 VTArlock wrote:


Link? Quotes? Proof? Differentiation between abusing and hacking?
Dont hate the player, hate the game. Spades has accomplished so much is sc2, probably more than you ever will.

You should stand behind your fellow foreigners in korea no matter who they are. Without them esports as a whole; moving more and more to the United States day by day most likely will not happen. So when your done QQing about how badly you want to go to korea but cant because your not good enough, send spades a thank you email for doing his part in Foreign esports.

GL SPADES! VTGAMING!!!

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On January 21 2011 01:24 CKone wrote:
awsome crush em spades! hope this wont mean ur stoppin streamin

On January 21 2011 02:04 KeepYaCoolBro wrote:
I used to watch some of Spades streaming. I had no idea of his previous exploits of BW however. I will not be supporting him or VT Gaming after researching this for an hour or so. How could VT gaming sign such a disreputable character? I liked his stream and personality but can not condone cheating of ANY kind. Lifetime ban for things like this! Pete Rose comes to mind and he didn't even cheat, just bet on baseball games.

Not so much of the "once a hacker, always a hacker" mentality, but getting caught more than once cheating just seems like bad character and morals to me. They still mean something in this day and age of Internet. I bet he subscribes to the "it's not cheating if they don't catch me" mentality. Sad for VT to be honest.

On January 20 2011 17:20 GoShox wrote:


Proof: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/features.php?i=a&id=2381&query_id=521

I understand you want to defend your teammate, but don't be ignorant in the act of doing so. If a guy doesn't care for Spades, fine, there's no need to insult him and look completely unprofessional.

On January 21 2011 02:40 Lennon wrote:
I can't help but be the realistic asshole that I am. VT are way over their heads. Try to dominate the US before going to Korea.

On January 21 2011 03:01 Mirhi wrote:


It's probably already been said, but TT1 was a hacker too. No one says he should be banned.

Edit: Testie as well and he has found a home at the top of the HoN scene. Once a hacker always a hacker is garbage.

On January 21 2011 00:21 Tenks wrote:


I honestly have no idea why everytime you bring up Spades' name there is always SOMEONE who will bring up the cheating thing

On January 21 2011 03:13 IntoTheWow wrote:


Because he cheated?

On January 21 2011 03:14 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
spades got caught hacking in bw and probably WCG. no support for hackers from me </3
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread.php?id=247003

On January 21 2011 03:16 Mirhi wrote:




Does that mean you don't support other former hackers? Should Fnatic dump TT1?

On January 21 2011 03:23 Cadgers wrote:


Fnatic obviously doesn't have a problem with it. On the player descriptions on the Fnatic site it even says something like "even though he has a shady past"

Seems like most people wont get over pas events. FFS even Dimaga cheated and people LOVE him.

On January 21 2011 03:03 Pokebunny wrote:

edit: I'm apparently wrong.

On January 21 2011 03:14 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
spades got caught hacking in bw and probably WCG. no support for hackers from me </3
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/thread.php?id=247003

On January 21 2011 03:57 Achilles wrote:
Something tells me he's gonna be BIG...

On January 21 2011 04:11 CatZ.root wrote:
long post

On January 21 2011 05:52 Chill wrote:

Catz, he was caught and proven to be a hacker. He also admitted it. There's no use being ignorant of the situation.

On January 21 2011 05:59 Salv wrote:


If Spades really did write that, and then admited to hacking vs LastGosu, that's rather telling of his character, wouldn't you say? You seem to be supporting this, and I'm kind of surprised, usually you're a unforgiving stalwart when it comes to hackers.

On January 20 2011 18:03 shannn wrote:

Yes exactly like you put it.

Basically the popularity contest or voting contest of 4 foreigners makes it so that those 4 are directly in the ro32 of code A.

Foreigners who didn't get in that list of 4 are going to have to qualify alongside with top 172 Korean ladder players. Foreigners don't need to be in the top172 but obviously if ur skill level isn't on par with those people then chances of qualifying are going to be slim.

On January 21 2011 04:01 drewbie.root wrote:

Spades is a really nice guy and who cares if he hacked 5 years ago, he certainly does not hack now. At least Spades isn't a little allin newbie that shit talks every game like you duffman so please stop trolling this thread.
GL Spades !

On January 21 2011 06:58 Sein wrote:
Just trying to get the facts straight, did Spades get caught cheating twice? Can someone confirm this?

On January 21 2011 07:20 SiGurD wrote:
i KNEW this was coming actually. People starting to cry all over again. I can understand why people get mad because hackers gets second chances but hey everyone knows that spades doesnt HACK on sc2 just because he streamed almost all of his games, AND Ive talked to him and played him several times hes a totally different person, well hes a guy that fools around but give me a break.

Many in this thread acts like kids, cheer for the guy? He wants to show the community now for several years that he regret what he did, played fair and square over stream in this new game sc2. And hes going to korea because hes dedicated and motivated to become a progamer?

So out of all this you ACTUALLY think he will maphack in korea? to become a progamer? Wow no one is that stupid, jesus christ.

Anyways spades: Good luck brian, i know you can do it. You got the balls <3

On January 21 2011 07:34 Chill wrote:

Don't be obtuse. People don't think he will hack in Korea, they feel upset because he never publically apologized for what he did or because they can't accept him after he hacked for so long in Brood War. It's their opinion and it's justified. You (and I as well) happen to want to give him another chance, that doesn't mean everyone has to.

On January 21 2011 07:34 Chill wrote:

Don't be obtuse. People don't think he will hack in Korea, they feel upset because he never publically apologized for what he did or because they can't accept him after he hacked for so long in Brood War. It's their opinion and it's justified. You (and I as well) happen to want to give him another chance, that doesn't mean everyone has to.

On January 21 2011 08:06 SuperXlax wrote:
Surprising that ~66% don't think he can make Code A.
Have you seen some of the players in Code A? Spades is easily better then them.

gl man

On January 21 2011 08:31 FXOpen wrote:
On the side note of hacking, it was brood war.. Who cares? Those judging him on the past should truely get over themselves. He is a good player without hacks, has proven that, so seriously, stop it.

On January 21 2011 08:39 bennyaus wrote:
Whilst I have to applaud VT on the courage to invest money in getting their players experience in Korea, all this article does is make me wonder why we aren't seeing ROOT, Fnatic, Mouz, and others, sending a player over, as they surely have more talented players than VT and should be showing confidence in their abilities by getting them to the highest level to see how they stand. The only team so far that has made a real commitment is Liquid, and maybe EG.

On January 21 2011 08:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


spades is a homie but this sort of post is obnoxiously stupid. a whole bunch of people don't think there's a wipe clean of the slate just because it's a new game. if your answer to that is "those people need to get over themselves", then you're a complete retard and I don't want you participating in discussions here. if you're gonna have an opinion, you'd better be willing to back it up better than that, or you shouldn't post.

On January 21 2011 08:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


spades is a homie but this sort of post is obnoxiously stupid. a whole bunch of people don't think there's a wipe clean of the slate just because it's a new game. if your answer to that is "those people need to get over themselves", then you're a complete retard and I don't want you participating in discussions here. if you're gonna have an opinion, you'd better be willing to back it up better than that, or you shouldn't post.

On January 21 2011 08:47 FXOpen wrote:


Wow rage much? I own an e-Sports team. Hacking is hacking yes. But the guy is good end of story.

I don't support hacking, or hackers. But theres a whole lot of comments about it where people clearly need to get over themselves.. Yours included.

By the way, I can lick my elbows and I can kick myself in the back of my head.. I guess I must be retarded.

Now, GET OVER YOURSELF.

User was temp banned for this post.

On January 21 2011 06:59 ptbl wrote:


I'll refer you to hot_bid's post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186152&currentpage=8#153

It's well know that he did hack and was caught more then once hacking. He was caught hacking in the Yankee league and also caught hacking in ICCup about 2 years back on smurf accounts using the oblivion hack. He was kicked out of sMi. after being caught hacking.

On January 21 2011 08:47 FXOpen wrote:


Wow rage much? I own an e-Sports team. Hacking is hacking yes. But the guy is good end of story.

I don't support hacking, or hackers. But theres a whole lot of comments about it where people clearly need to get over themselves.. Yours included.

By the way, I can lick my elbows and I can kick myself in the back of my head.. I guess I must be retarded.

Now, GET OVER YOURSELF.

User was temp banned for this post.

On January 21 2011 09:07 news wrote:
He was a notorious hacker on bw, I know a lot about it. Reason we say 'caught once' is simply because he wasn't relevant. Always skipped offline tournament because he wouldn't have a chance. Watched him play MgZ)Li (who was already making huge bucks playing poker) for money and he hacked there as well, still losing ~50% of matches (they went RvR).

But again, TT1 and Huk hacked before too. TT1 was actually good, that's the difference. 2 other guys weren't.

On January 21 2011 09:07 news wrote:
He was a notorious hacker on bw, I know a lot about it. Reason we say 'caught once' is simply because he wasn't relevant. Always skipped offline tournament because he wouldn't have a chance. Watched him play MgZ)Li (who was already making huge bucks playing poker) for money and he hacked there as well, still losing ~50% of matches (they went RvR).

But again, TT1 and Huk hacked before too. TT1 was actually good, that's the difference. 2 other guys weren't.

On July 21 2010 00:19 Liquid`HuK wrote:
Now to pre-clarify any accusations of hacking because the majority of Keeper- was caught hacking while making it WGT-CL DIV 1 and we (as a team) were disqualified when the oblivion sting happened. I did not hack and had all my replays reviewed. I'm sure Xeris or some other admin at the time can verify this in some way.

On January 21 2011 09:23 news wrote:
Okay Hot_Bid, I can't really provide replays. If one wanted to look he would look for retribution-x17, not keeper-huk.

On January 21 2011 09:23 news wrote:
Okay Hot_Bid, I can't really provide replays. If one wanted to look he would look for retribution-x17, not keeper-huk.

On January 21 2011 09:23 TT1 wrote:
but i might put sc2 maphacks in my ipod and upload them in my gsl computer in the future, i still didnt decide if its worth it or not

On January 21 2011 09:48 Punkahollic wrote:
Well GL Spades...but lay off the cheeseburgers man...heart attacks are the worst way to GG out of life. Yeah you´re a gamer...but just use the stairs or something oO

On January 21 2011 09:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i wonder if i should just start blanket banning the phrase 'get over yourselves'

On January 21 2011 08:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


oh really. well, maybe when you "get over" your ban, you'll have a clearer picture of what sort of attitudes we don't appreciate on teamliquid.

On January 21 2011 08:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
As far as I know he was caught once "officially", that is, in relation to an organized event. Beyond that there's always wild speculations on either end of the spectrum. Spades tried to make a comeback in Brood War, playing at offline events and such, but was not well-received. Since he's overhauled his manners and dedicated a ton of time to improving and streaming SC2, and is now (and rightfully so) heading to Korea to try out for Code A, some people have forgiven his past transgressions and some people haven't. It isn't much more complicated than that, there are legitimate reasons for each individual's opinions I'm sure.

On January 21 2011 10:01 UniversalSnip wrote:


I don't think most people find it as offensive as you do...

On January 21 2011 10:41 Nimic wrote:
While saying "people who say [thing] are retarded" is a sign of kindness and caring?

On January 21 2011 08:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
As far as I know he was caught once "officially", that is, in relation to an organized event. Beyond that there's always wild speculations on either end of the spectrum. Spades tried to make a comeback in Brood War, playing at offline events and such, but was not well-received. Since he's overhauled his manners and dedicated a ton of time to improving and streaming SC2, and is now (and rightfully so) heading to Korea to try out for Code A, some people have forgiven his past transgressions and some people haven't. It isn't much more complicated than that, there are legitimate reasons for each individual's opinions I'm sure.

On January 21 2011 12:31 Spades wrote:
Thank you everyone who is supporting, as well as those criticizing me. I dont want to let my fans down, and i want to prove the haters wrong, so my motivation is about as high as it gets.

I know i made bad decisions in the past, but I'm doing my best to atleast make up for it to an extent. I know It will follow me forever, but i want to make sure my successes greatly outweigh my downfalls. If i could take it all back i would, but i cant turn back time, so i will just make sure my future exceeds everyones expectations and hopefully earn some of the skeptics' respect.

I'm training hard, and hope to make you guys proud.

Thanks again for the support!

On January 21 2011 12:31 Spades wrote:
Thank you everyone who is supporting, as well as those criticizing me. I dont want to let my fans down, and i want to prove the haters wrong, so my motivation is about as high as it gets.

I know i made bad decisions in the past, but I'm doing my best to atleast make up for it to an extent. I know It will follow me forever, but i want to make sure my successes greatly outweigh my downfalls. If i could take it all back i would, but i cant turn back time, so i will just make sure my future exceeds everyones expectations and hopefully earn some of the skeptics' respect.

I'm training hard, and hope to make you guys proud.

Thanks again for the support!

On January 21 2011 12:31 Spades wrote:
Thank you everyone who is supporting, as well as those criticizing me. I dont want to let my fans down, and i want to prove the haters wrong, so my motivation is about as high as it gets.

I know i made bad decisions in the past, but I'm doing my best to atleast make up for it to an extent. I know It will follow me forever, but i want to make sure my successes greatly outweigh my downfalls. If i could take it all back i would, but i cant turn back time, so i will just make sure my future exceeds everyones expectations and hopefully earn some of the skeptics' respect.

I'm training hard, and hope to make you guys proud.

Thanks again for the support!

On January 21 2011 10:24 TheBanana wrote:



Wow, you get to call someone a retard and then ban them for saying "get over yourself"?
That's not showing good integrity on the behalf of TL at all, if you don't mind me saying.


When does the actual qualifier-matches start?
Does anybody know?

On January 21 2011 12:31 Spades wrote:
Thank you everyone who is supporting, as well as those criticizing me. I dont want to let my fans down, and i want to prove the haters wrong, so my motivation is about as high as it gets.

I know i made bad decisions in the past, but I'm doing my best to atleast make up for it to an extent. I know It will follow me forever, but i want to make sure my successes greatly outweigh my downfalls. If i could take it all back i would, but i cant turn back time, so i will just make sure my future exceeds everyones expectations and hopefully earn some of the skeptics' respect.

I'm training hard, and hope to make you guys proud.

Thanks again for the support!

On January 21 2011 12:03 Warrice wrote:
Holy shit, john candy is going to korea.

Good luck spades