SC2 Master League Information - Page 27

On January 20 2011 00:08 Alphasquad wrote:


and if they dont continue playing they will stay in there forever and block spots and god i would be really really surprised if this wont happen in large numbers

On January 20 2011 01:13 god deezy yo wrote:


there is not a limited number of slots in master, and judging by the current trends it will be the most active of all leagues.

On January 20 2011 01:19 Alphasquad wrote:


i thought its limited to 2% of all players (accounts)

On January 20 2011 01:19 Alphasquad wrote:


i thought its limited to 2% of all players (accounts)

On January 19 2011 11:10 Mohdoo wrote:
They see their big point score (massed a ton of games) and think they are top players. That's the problem with the SC2 ladder

On January 19 2011 13:30 SDream wrote:


Yeap, look at your opponents league. If 50% of them is on master, than you are really close. If 100% of them are on master, then you are there already most likely. If 10% of them are on master, then you are probably close and could actually get in soon, or never.

On January 20 2011 02:57 Neo.NEt wrote:



About half of the guys I played post patch were master, the last one was diamond though so it's not like you have a "final boss" master league guy standing in your way. That's probably a good way to look at it.

On January 20 2011 05:12 JamesSwift wrote:

Keep in mind that promotions (especially with a fair amount of games played already) are determined at checkpoints. So you aren't being considered for promotion after every single game, but rather after every x-th game (unknown number, and probably gets larger as your MMR is more settled, i.e. as you play more).

On January 20 2011 05:14 ChrysaliS_ wrote:


if you read the ladder analysis articles you would know this isn't true

On January 20 2011 09:35 JamesSwift wrote:

if you read the interview with blizzard employees (browder I think?) you would know that it is

On January 20 2011 09:45 Excalibur_Z wrote:

Well we've proven that this isn't the case because people have been promoted in 10 games or less. My first analysis thread actually directly referenced that Best Buy livechat with Dustin Browder where he cited 30 games before a promotion, but that was corrected once we found conflicting evidence.

That doesn't mean he was lying, though. Remember that when that live chat took place, the beta was still going on and they were still several weeks out from release. Maybe the system changed and they instead chose to take promotions on a more granular level. Maybe the 30-game requirement only applied in the initial week or two of the ladder, when the league separations weren't very well established. There are many possibilities, but we know that's not how it works presently.

On January 20 2011 09:58 MorefaSho wrote:


Also, there is strong available evidence that promotion / demotion is determined by skynet.

Also I don't think Dustin Browder micro-manages everything so if there was a decision that through testing it was 99% accurate in some specific cases after 10 games, then that's fine. But placement was totally different at different points in beta. In early beta you could get placed straight into platinum (diamond now) after 5 games, then at some point later it became impossible and always took more games. As for league placement algorithms, that could even be changed on the fly without much visibility to the user as long as the MMR behind it stays with the same formula.

On January 21 2011 00:26 JamesSwift wrote:
My comment was not regarding initial placement, but rather was regarding promtion/demotion after placement (for all those saying 'how many games do I have to win' etc..) It seems to me that the system does work on a milestone principle where it checks for your promotion/demotion eligibility every so often rather than after every game. If you have a lot of games (and thus you are likely to have a stable MMR) then it will check more sporadically than if you have fewer games (and thus a more dynamic MMR). Browder's comments seem to support that (the milestone bit at least).

On January 20 2011 01:40 god deezy yo wrote:

no, just like bronze/silver/gold/plat aren't "limited" to 20% of players, master league isn't "limited" to 2% of players. the mmr requirement is just such that roughly 2% of active players will be promoted to it. there will always be a slot open if you hit the mmr requirement to be promoted. it's nothing but another league on top of diamond that's a little more exclusive than the rest, there is really nothing special about it like player limits.

On January 21 2011 01:08 vanick wrote:
We know there is no hard game minimum for promotions. We have several examples of people being promoted with less than 10 games played. After looking at a histogram of promotions by games played which has a large spike after peoples' MMR generally stabilizes there is a nice smooth curve after that. With periodic checkpoints we would see clustered promotions/demotions beyond the initial spike that is expected to occur because of the conservative league placement system. Based on this, and inferences from information received at Blizzcon we're confident that a checkpoint system is not used.

We definitely considered that there may be one early checkpoint to double check the league placement, but the evidence we have points to an algorithm that re-evaluates after each game you play regardless.

On January 21 2011 05:24 JamesSwift wrote:

Do you have a link to the histogram you mention?

On January 22 2011 05:39 Disastorm wrote:
From my experience, Diamond players seem to be better than Master players in the ladder, has anyone else experienced this?