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On January 30 2011 22:55 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 22:47 Sephimos wrote:On January 30 2011 19:37 SmoKim wrote:From Artosis Twitter: awesome news :D Bad. Ret already failed out of A because he apparently doesn't know how to make units. Huk deserved it. Haypro and Moonglade are alright but there were better options. Maybe all the other 'good' options should go give it a go in Korea, like these guys. These 4 are the top 4 foreigners on the ladder in Korea as far as I can tell (besides Idra/Jinro), and are all in Korea already. They all invested time and energy into getting into the GSL on merit, whereas other progamers who are 'better' options have not invested that same time. For this reason, I respect GSL's decision in this regard.
The next GSL in in March, their obsession with people being physically inside the RoK is really stupid. I'm sure Incontrol, Sen, Bratok, or a million other better invitees could be in South Korea in a month.
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You cant really take tournament wins into account because in korea there are not that much like in europe or america. Ret already qualified for a Gsl like haypro. And you have to think about it. Its the first time they are seeded players. So it could be a test on how it works out
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'A million other' is a massive exaggeration.
Mate, I don't know if you know, but Moonglade beat the guy that knocked Sen out of IEM (Loner), and is top 200 in KR server (achieved whilst in Aus). Bratok doesn't compete regularly in competitions outside Russia due to visa issues, and Incontrol whilst being a swell guy, doesn't have the credentials in tournaments that his fan base suggests.
At least choose some players who have a legitimate claim to one of these spots, if they wanted to compete they would come and attempt the Code A qualifiers, and we only saw VTSpades and VTTorch (+FXO/VT managers) attempting besides the Liquid guys. It is a completely fair concept that GOM only chose foreigners who were committed to attempting to qualify, to get an invite into the tournament, and even if they weren't, there are actually not that many other good choices.... You have to remember that many (if not all) of the top players from NA and EU are not willing to live in Korea right now (Example: WhiteRa, based on recent results, is maybe the best choice and he said he is only 50:50)
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On January 30 2011 23:59 Sephimos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:28 Random() wrote:
Though I have nothing against Ret personally, I don't understand how he deserved that invitation. He has had a lot of chances in the GSL already, and lost some disappointing games. His attitude towards Zerg has also not been particularly cheerful, if I remember correctly he said that he has no clue how to beat Protoss. What's the point of inviting him as a foreigner representative if he is likely to lose early?
I think someone like Sjow who is really hungry for victories right now and shows consistent improvement would be a more appropriate candidate to represent foreigners.
Anyway, good luck to all of them! Ret is the worst of the invitees. He lost ugly//badly in Code A, I don't understand why he deserves a Golden Ticket back into the big show.
While we are at that Huk/Haypro didnt even make it that far, admittedly Huk had less time, but Haypro has been there longer than ret if I am not mistaken.
Skill wise Huk right now is at the top of the invites at least according to what I have seen, he lack huge successes lately, but he hasnt participated in many tournaments.
I would love to see Bratok/White-Ra/Sjow in the Korea in their place, but such is life. Their time will come hopefully.
Also does someone knows what happens if invited foreigners secure their place in code A, GOM keeps 4 invites or only seeks to maintain foreigner count at 4
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It makes perfect sense to first invite players who are already there and have already invested a lot of time and effort into qualifying. There'll be plenty of opportunities to invite other candidates later on. Ideally invitees will know well in advance that they'll get the code A seeds as then they'll be able to deal with their prior arrangements and can come early to practice and otherwise prepare for the preliminaries.
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On January 31 2011 00:00 Sephimos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 22:55 bennyaus wrote:On January 30 2011 22:47 Sephimos wrote:On January 30 2011 19:37 SmoKim wrote:From Artosis Twitter: awesome news :D Bad. Ret already failed out of A because he apparently doesn't know how to make units. Huk deserved it. Haypro and Moonglade are alright but there were better options. Maybe all the other 'good' options should go give it a go in Korea, like these guys. These 4 are the top 4 foreigners on the ladder in Korea as far as I can tell (besides Idra/Jinro), and are all in Korea already. They all invested time and energy into getting into the GSL on merit, whereas other progamers who are 'better' options have not invested that same time. For this reason, I respect GSL's decision in this regard. The next GSL in in March, their obsession with people being physically inside the RoK is really stupid. I'm sure Incontrol, Sen, Bratok, or a million other better invitees could be in South Korea in a month.
The next GSL starts February 14, they just call it GSL March because it ends in March.
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I'd suggest EGDeMusliM, MTWDimaga, BratOK, Huk or WhiteRa
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People need to calm down over the invitees. The invites has been done and I am pretty confident they will do well this upcoming season. This also means more new slots for foreigners (if the current ones do well) where we will have a better chance of more foreigners for code S. GSL will grow in viewer numbers and we'll all be happy. First try to root and congratulate the players who has been invited. I'm rooting for them!
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qxc, huk, white ra, fenix
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On January 30 2011 23:59 Sephimos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:28 Random() wrote:
Though I have nothing against Ret personally, I don't understand how he deserved that invitation. He has had a lot of chances in the GSL already, and lost some disappointing games. His attitude towards Zerg has also not been particularly cheerful, if I remember correctly he said that he has no clue how to beat Protoss. What's the point of inviting him as a foreigner representative if he is likely to lose early?
I think someone like Sjow who is really hungry for victories right now and shows consistent improvement would be a more appropriate candidate to represent foreigners.
Anyway, good luck to all of them! Ret is the worst of the invitees. He lost ugly//badly in Code A, I don't understand why he deserves a Golden Ticket back into the big show.
I have to agree, Ret isn't worthy. WhiteRa actually has a real good shot at winning the GSL, he deserved Ret's spot. But I assume the fact the Ret is in Korea made him simply more convenient to seed.
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On January 31 2011 03:34 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:59 Sephimos wrote:On January 30 2011 23:28 Random() wrote:
Though I have nothing against Ret personally, I don't understand how he deserved that invitation. He has had a lot of chances in the GSL already, and lost some disappointing games. His attitude towards Zerg has also not been particularly cheerful, if I remember correctly he said that he has no clue how to beat Protoss. What's the point of inviting him as a foreigner representative if he is likely to lose early?
I think someone like Sjow who is really hungry for victories right now and shows consistent improvement would be a more appropriate candidate to represent foreigners.
Anyway, good luck to all of them! Ret is the worst of the invitees. He lost ugly//badly in Code A, I don't understand why he deserves a Golden Ticket back into the big show. I have to agree, Ret isn't worthy. WhiteRa actually has a real good shot at winning the GSL, he deserved Ret's spot. But I assume the fact the Ret is in Korea made him simply more convenient to seed.
That's a bit overly optimistic
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Fenix, HuK and White-Ra, I'd suggest qxc but he is going to spain.
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Oh wow I'm so happy about the liquid guys seeded into GSL Code A :D Ret is so beastly and so is Huk and Haypro who is so underrated.
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Well let's give the Liquid guys a shot to prove themselves (again). If they fail, other famous players mentioned here can try in a month 
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On January 31 2011 01:55 shannn wrote:
People need to calm down over the invitees. The invites has been done and I am pretty confident they will do well this upcoming season. This also means more new slots for foreigners (if the current ones do well) where we will have a better chance of more foreigners for code S. GSL will grow in viewer numbers and we'll all be happy. First try to root and congratulate the players who has been invited. I'm rooting for them!
Obviously I hope everyone plays to the best of their abilities. I hope they enjoy themselves and are happy with their results.
However, I'm not sure why you think this is a positive thing for the GSL. Seeding players in Code A was a risky decision to begin with. Exempting players from the standard rules undermines the competition in general. These picks have only made it worse. It's tough to give unqualified players a free pass into Code A and still run a "legitimate" tournament (though Huk was probably a safe bet). This decision will almost certainly hurt the GSL's ratings in Korea, and threatens its legitimacy in general.
I don't want to cry doom here. This clearly isn't the end of the GSL. But if GOM makes this sort of choice every season (seeding foreign players simply because they're foreign, not based on skill), it'll be pretty hard to take them seriously.
As far as rooting for players, I'm interested in cheering for the best or most interesting players, not necessarily the ones that happen to look like me or speak my language. It's nice to watch an interview with a player who speaks English, but it's also nice to see great players play.
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I'm a little disappointed by the invites, but I guess it's the most practical solution.
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Ret is very good, but after people like Idra and Artosis kept saying he had insane talent and potential, it's really rather disappointing to see him lose so many games with bad play after he had months in Korea in a pro-gaming house. He's probably still a good choice, but the problem is that him losing in code A costs another foreigner a spot, which is unfortunate.
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im not sure why you guys think they would seed people that didnt even go to the prelims. the only people at the prelims other than the ones that got seeded was like VTspades, carn, and artosis.
Sjow wasn't in korea... so how would they seed him?
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I guess GSL really needed zergs...whatever. All those players deserve it one way or the other.
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