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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Your right, If I did something stupid or slightly rude in front of a well know player/TV person, I would totally want that to be talked about in front of camera in a derogatory manner.
No one is calling for tasteless to resign or for John to resign or anything drastic. Everyone is still fine with Tasteless and will continue to support him in his efforts at the GSL, many just believe that this was out of line and wish to mention it in hopes something like this doesn't happen again.
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On January 03 2011 07:03 Jibba wrote:
"Trying hard" stops being as reasonable an explanation when you transition from community volunteer into paid professional.
One thing that amazes me is how all of speeches and mother's interviews for the finals are pre-written and pre-recorded, yet GOM never has subtitles or a pre-written English translation available for said events. Even if you had the UN's translators, it would make more sense to do that stuff before hand.
I agree, but it seems like they've noticed that. They subtitled the shit out of the cast last night, I'm glad they finally realized that they could do this.
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Wow, that's a pretty sad story :\
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Yea, listen here. There are three steps
1. Fucking up.
2. Apologizing.
3. Forgiveness.
Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go.
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really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding.
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I feel bad for that guy, good of him to apologize like that tho.
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real social experiences seeping into a community that is not well-versed in social activities.
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Tasteless should give a brief apology to the guy on the air and immediately go on to talk about something else. Then maybe something a bit more heart felt in a PM or e-mail or something. I don't think Tasteless had any sort of deviant intentions, but it'd be a good manner thing to do to briefly say "hey sorry" sorta thing.
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The random guys behavior/approach is irrelevant. Commenting this on air is though. totally unprofessional and not anyones business other than the ones who where involved.
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On January 03 2011 07:59 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? That's my opinion as well.
Humility is not something you get from humiliation, humiliation doesn't "teach" anything, try being a primary school teacher and single out one of the kids in front of school assembly. Yeah the kids very hurt, that'll learn 'em. Regardless of whether you feel that "adults" should be hard and flawless, humans just aren't and you should consider that not everyone is healthily well-adjusted, that's "consideration" and "humility" that you may need to look up in a dictionary.
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Neither handled this situation well. If random guy had so many months of GSL to watch and SC2 to play don't you think he could of sent an email to GOM or handed a resume to them?
Tasteless is well....tasteless thats about it..move on John isn't going anywhere, tasteless isn't going anywhere..
Also anyone else read the OP and think "only in Korea"? I mean common, first rain apologizes for "cheese" and now this?
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On January 03 2011 08:17 Xyik wrote:
really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding.
The thing is nobody would've cared if the guy didn't start begging for forgiveness on a forum instead of apologizing personally.
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On January 03 2011 08:26 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 08:17 Xyik wrote:
really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding. The thing is nobody would've cared if the guy didn't start begging for forgiveness on a forum instead of apologizing personally.
Buddy, he has more balls then all of us.
Anyone of us would have just hid behind our computer screen.
He actually felt really bad and made an apology.
Though, he should also apologize in person.
Tasteless still did NOT need to make him feel more like a fool then he already did.
On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Are you serious dude? So in kindergarten when you make your friend cry (for whatever reason), you should get your pants pulled down in front of the entire school?
And the guy wasn't "flapping his gums" read the post before you talk.
Also, walking up to "someone like Nick"... are casters suddenly better then all of us?
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Hearing Tasteless saying that live I could almost tell a post like this was coming... I love nick but he was a bit rough about it, especially calling him out live...
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John really isn't a great translator at all. Much of his support comes from the fact that he happens to speak English better than the average Korean and because he gave that speech that people loved for whatever reason. The fact is that there are plenty of people in the world that could do a much better job and are much more qualified than him. I don't think it's fair to blast a guy on a broadcast just because he felt that he could do better.
Honestly, this is just another example of Tasteless being completely unprofessional (as if we need any more) and if anything, he should be the one apologizing to this guy for being a complete ass rather than the other way around.
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On January 03 2011 08:28 Kolvacs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Are you serious dude? So in kindergarten when you make your friend cry (for whatever reason), you should get your pants pulled down in front of the entire school?
Can you actually make a coherent argument against a "why not?" It's bound to give you at least some idea that making your friend cry wasn't particularly bright, no?
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
wow, do you worship Tasteless like a god? That he is so high and mighty that no common peasant can come up and ask to help out? I don't think Tasteless wants to be portrayed in that light. And it seems as if you didn't read the apology because he clearly says he thought John was doing the job as extra work and that he was a producer. Had he known John's job was foreigner relations/translating, he wouldn't have asked to do the job. Plus the guy was nervous and things didn't come out right, not uncommon when talking to people who you idolize. Cut him some slack. I think it would be in good taste for Tasteless to readdress the issue.
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Hmm, 'John''s translations aren't great. They are satisfactory at best but surely there are more qualified/proficient ppl in korea that would want his job as they can do it better(but maybe there really aren't in reality).
He would have been better off making a few mp3's of translations of something along with a CV and sending that into a producer. Then he might have gotten a chance to get tested out in some setting and then might have replaced 'John' at the end of his contract.
But once ppl are in a job and friendly with workmates they will want to keep there friendly workmates with them even if there work isn't great. That's just the way the world works and we have to live with Johns translations for the foreseeable future until ppl approach for prospective jobs more professionally.
Korean's gamers rarely say anything amazing but the 1st few seasons translations when I heard the translations I was thinking "Is this the best GomTV can do? Do they really not care about the foreign scene that much that they have hired such a bad translator?" The impression you got was that John must have lied on his CV if he wrote he spoke fluent in English & Korean especially when you saw the blizzard guy that took over for a few days straight take over translations so naturally directly with the gamers when the standin translator couldn't explain things. Maybe John is just bad on air. Surely there are more ppl with that kind of fluency in english and korean to do Johns job but he's in there and companies hate change.
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wow, people should lighten up. Tasteless has nothing to apologize for. With the knowledge he had available it was completly fine what he said, it wasn't intended mean spirited, more like "wtf happened there, that was kinda lol, don't come to us please and tell us you can do our jobs better and want it".
Of course it would be nice, if he addressed that the guy posted about the incident and show some understanding why it happened. But nobody should take this thing too serious and demand apologies or anything, that is just lol...
Everybody has acted like an idiot some time or another and got called out for it, no need to hide crying in a corner, deal with it.
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when its planes in the sky for a chain of supply, thats logistics...
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