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njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 06 2010 20:58 GMT
#1
Hey, so i was wondering... do you guys use numpad to select control groups? I've been using 1-9 under the f keys and was wondering if this would be easier to do if i used the numpad as opposed to the abovementioned method.

Are there any drawbacks? The only downside i can really see is that you would letting go of your mouse (right-handed) to select, and this might be hard to do mid battle.
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
December 06 2010 21:00 GMT
#2
Sorry, no. I don't think this is in any way shape or form more efficient than the keys right by your left hand.
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LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
December 06 2010 21:02 GMT
#3
I don't know of anyone that does that. I don't see how it would be efficient, either.
kathode
Profile Joined April 2010
United States265 Posts
December 06 2010 21:04 GMT
#4
No, it would require you to take the remove your hand from the mouse or from the base WASD position.
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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
December 06 2010 21:05 GMT
#5
gl going 1a*click*2a*click*3a*click* with that :D
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intergalactic
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada428 Posts
December 06 2010 21:07 GMT
#6
You simply can't let go of the mouse while playing...I don't see how this would be in any way viable or practical. How would you micro in a huge battle with multiple control groups? I'm trying to imagine someone doing this, and I just can't
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
December 06 2010 21:07 GMT
#7
You couldn't do this before custom hotkeys, the numpad wouldn't work. And for all the naysayers, it wouldn't be good for your army, but it could be good for tech units (0 is pretty giant on most numpads and easy to hit over there even with your left hand, omg your hand can move!!!).
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FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 21:10:55
December 06 2010 21:09 GMT
#8
I dunno.. if you did something crazy where you were to rebind all the keys around the numpad it COULD have potential so you could keep your left hand there during battles and your right hand on the mouse.

Like if you did 0-9 as control groups, changed the enter to be "shift" so you could add to the groups, and like made "+" attack, then maybe used the insert/home/page up etc. keys to rebind to your unit productions and upgrades. You'd also have the "." "/" "*" "-" keys there that could all be rebound to needed hotkeys.

Just a thought...I wouldn't do it but I could see there being a lot of benefit to having that layout for your control groups especially if you have smaller hands.

njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 06 2010 21:09 GMT
#9
Perhaps binding your CCs to 0 would be profitable then
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nastyyy
Profile Joined December 2009
United States262 Posts
December 06 2010 21:09 GMT
#10
Maybe if you completely change your hotkeys.
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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
December 06 2010 21:10 GMT
#11
the video of moon, and nada talking about apm it shows one of them playing and letting go of thier mouse at one point to two hand the keyboard, I feel like youd have to be crazy good for letting go of your mouse ever to be a good thing
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njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 06 2010 21:15 GMT
#12
On December 07 2010 06:10 jamesr12 wrote:
the video of moon, and nada talking about apm it shows one of them playing and letting go of thier mouse at one point to two hand the keyboard, I feel like youd have to be crazy good for letting go of your mouse ever to be a good thing


Oh, ok, im sorry i dont watch commercial crap put out by companies that have purchased gamers to sell their product.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
December 06 2010 21:17 GMT
#13
Perhaps by lefties. That'd be pretty cool if they got an advantage for once xD
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FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
December 06 2010 21:20 GMT
#14
Oh, ok, im sorry i dont watch commercial crap put out by companies that have purchased gamers to sell their product.


I think it was in a handheld cam video done by Artosis at the GSL where I saw players doing that, takin their hand off the mouse quickly. But what you said is cool too.
njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 06 2010 21:22 GMT
#15
No, it was a publicity stunt by razer to promote their products.
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MadNote
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lesotho75 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 02:59:21
December 06 2010 21:22 GMT
#16
I have a microsoft gaming keyboard that I can switch the numpad so it is on either side of the keyboard. I haven't tried using this with the hotkey setup yet. I will definitely try it now and see if it is any better.

SideWinder X6 Keyboard

Edit: I tried using the numpad on the left, but it was still a pain in the ass. No point using the numpad really, as far as I am concerned.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
December 06 2010 21:30 GMT
#17
The only possible circumstance that I can think of for this to be beneficial is for left handed mouse users plus redoing hotkeys once its implemented.
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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 21:37:59
December 06 2010 21:34 GMT
#18
On December 07 2010 06:10 jamesr12 wrote:
the video of moon, and nada talking about apm it shows one of them playing and letting go of thier mouse at one point to two hand the keyboard, I feel like youd have to be crazy good for letting go of your mouse ever to be a good thing


probably moon, wc3 is a bit different and the inventory is bound to kp1 kp2 etc so the right hand is used for that sometimes (a precise tp and stuff like that).
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Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
December 06 2010 21:42 GMT
#19
I just double clicked numpad 7 for tp(teleport) in wc3.

took my hand of the mouse for a split second, so definately a good idea.
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TheDoK666
Profile Joined May 2010
France179 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 21:44:37
December 06 2010 21:43 GMT
#20
ye on wc3 if u usually want to tp fast u just do 77 on the num pad so that's different game ... elky use both hand on keyoard but if he's using an azerty keyboard, things are different like the M is next to the L instead being down next to the N for example so ...
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 06 2010 21:51 GMT
#21
Sounds like it might work if you were left handed, but I need my right hand for my mouse. =/
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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
December 06 2010 21:57 GMT
#22
What is this I don't even.

2 Cases:

1) You use your left hand:

Then they are further than your regular 1 through 0, so it makes no sense

2) You use your right hand:

Absolutely retarded. What if you need to forcefield in a match up? What if you need to quickly hold position, or attack move with all 3 of your control groups?

No. No. No.

I can't believe I spent 3 minutes of my life writing this, maybe I should have put some insults to make it worth my time lol.

Hope this helps.


We talkin about PRACTICE
njfail
Profile Joined October 2010
United States127 Posts
December 08 2010 00:06 GMT
#23
Man, it makes me wish I could design a keyboard specifically for sc2. I'd move 67890 to under 12345 so I could reach them

But, some gaming keyboards actually have num pads on the LEFT side of the keyboard as well. I was thinking of buying one for using items in wc3, but when I heard sc2 wasn't going to have heros or items, I decided not to.

So it could actually be quite efficient if you have a num pad on the left side of your keyboard, because I think taking your hand off the mouse is like losing your weapon in a sword fight :\
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 08 2010 00:09 GMT
#24
Numpad is worse because all the other hotkeys are so far away from the numpad.

Custom key bindings might change that though. Make "attack" the right arrow key, "shift" the down arrow key (can use to put units in ctrl groups), and all the unit/building hotkeys in the Insert/Home/PgUp/PgDn/Del/End block.
Ameba-AZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States79 Posts
December 08 2010 00:16 GMT
#25
Just thinking about it, left handed people maybe, just because you still have your hand on your mouse, but aside from that maybe someone who is already comfortable with the num-pad keys and they can use their left hand to use the num-pad, and even then only in high micro fight situations where you aren't trying to tab back to your base to macro, given you have specific control groups for select groups of units, and you were indivudually attacking the opponents units, and even then it's tough because your hands are no where near the "a" button.

So probably not something that is generally going to be viable.
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TheDoK666
Profile Joined May 2010
France179 Posts
December 08 2010 00:17 GMT
#26
if u can't go on 6 , then u neraly can't copy paste with the keyboard... i'm left handed, using my keyboard with right-handed grid setup and i can still go to 0 ... a human being can do that , just train to be use to it.
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B-Wong
Profile Joined October 2010
United States240 Posts
December 08 2010 00:18 GMT
#27
Unless you have Boxer's hands (he used to use the arrow keys to move the screen) you really shouldn't consider using the keypad.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
December 08 2010 00:30 GMT
#28
The numpad is just not efficient since you're probably going to be switching either of your hands around quite quickly all the time. That means a lot of time lost and a lot of effort wasted over what could be considered a negligible advantage.

If you have a third hand, however, then it would be an excellent idea.
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Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada646 Posts
December 08 2010 00:39 GMT
#29
Boxer was infamous for double handing the keyboard specifically using the arrow keys to move the screen.

I can't see it being feasible enough to set up a system to use the number pad but pro's definitely do use both hands on the keyboard from time to time.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#30
On December 07 2010 06:22 njAl wrote:
No, it was a publicity stunt by razer to promote their products.



you sure know a lot about something you never watched...

back on topic, I'd never suggest using the numpad unless you completely mapout new custom hotkeys.
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Rhombus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 01:11:40
December 08 2010 01:10 GMT
#31
On December 07 2010 06:22 njAl wrote:
No, it was a publicity stunt by razer to promote their products.


So.... you saw it?

I could imagine numpad to be useful for some sort of lefthanded keyboard layout, but it would be something you'd have to get used to. I don't know of anyone who does it.

edit: should probably refresh threads before posting.
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vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
December 08 2010 02:26 GMT
#32
the problem with the video of moon playing was that what you saw him doing on the keyboard/mouse was NOT what was happening on the screen. it's incredibly obvious at one point where you see him hitting keys and clicking when on the screen all that is happening is a building is being placed, and hes waiting for something to finish before putting it down. but yes, there is a point where he does something with his right hand on the keyboard for a half second.
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
December 08 2010 02:33 GMT
#33
On December 07 2010 06:15 njAl wrote:
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On December 07 2010 06:10 jamesr12 wrote:
the video of moon, and nada talking about apm it shows one of them playing and letting go of thier mouse at one point to two hand the keyboard, I feel like youd have to be crazy good for letting go of your mouse ever to be a good thing


Oh, ok, im sorry i dont watch commercial crap put out by companies that have purchased gamers to sell their product.



....lol your comment is so uncalled for. the video was just a FPVOD of moon playing WC3. Just so the public can see his apm. It wasn't a commercial.
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