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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:24 Mystix wrote: Most likely because it forced zerg into mutalisks for anti-air. But what about Hydralisks, I just don't see why it was such a big deal in the first place. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:15 KentHenry wrote: So why was Fungal Growth reverted back to both air and ground? terran is starting to dominate the top 200/diamond more and more. This answer is correct. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
Yes. I'm sure it was exactly and only that. It had nothing to do with hurting the Infestor and the Zerg's ability to deal with air units even more while simultaneous buffs to Protoss air happened. It was only because of complaining on a forum.  | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:34 NicolBolas wrote: Yes. I'm sure it was exactly and only that. It had nothing to do with hurting the Infestor and the Zerg's ability to deal with air units even more while simultaneous buffs to Protoss air happened. It was only because of complaining on a forum. Do Hydras suck or am I missing something? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50696 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:35 KentHenry wrote: Do Hydras suck or am I missing something? well they are good against phoenixes but can't do much damage to the rest of the ground army.and they are slow without creep. lets qq about the map pool and see where that goes. | ||
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kinetic_skink
Australia125 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:35 KentHenry wrote: Do Hydras suck or am I missing something? Hydra's are deathly slow, muta's are very fast. Hydra's worked well against muta's when you could lock them down with FG though  And if you went hydra and your opponent went muta, he could basically wipe out your base and still have time to fly back to his before your hydra's even got there. | ||
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Drazlok
2 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:35 KentHenry wrote: Do Hydras suck or am I missing something? They are much slower than mutas. They can just jump around and keep you in your base with no way to actually kill more than one. | ||
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Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
 Well guess toss doesn' t have the same priority as zerg has About the patch: I think reverting back the fungal growth is a good idea because most noobs never used it anyway. A lot of people who complain (except the high level ones) have prolly not used it ever in the first place It matters @ high level play, it didn't @ low level play. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:27 Azzur wrote: I agree with the phoenix buff but 10 sec build-time reduction is a bit excessive imo. Maybe 5 sec would be better? It seems large, but you have to take into account chrono boost which gets worse as the build time decreases, so really it's only a 6.6 second reduction, if they reduced it by 5 seconds it would be a 3.3 second reduction which would be almost indistinguishable. *Edit* fixed math... I think. | ||
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kinetic_skink
Australia125 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:41 Flummie wrote: I wish Blizzard would have done the same with all the protoss tears (reverting back the changes) after all those consecutive nerfs Well guess toss doesn' t have the same priority as zerg has About the patch: I think reverting back the fungal growth is a good idea because most noobs never used it anyway. A lot of people who complain (except the high level ones) have prolly not used it ever in the first place It matters @ high level play, it didn't @ low level play. I think the PTR was the real difference. As opposed to 'because it is zerg'. I wouldn't be surprised to see some other tweaks to compensate for having FG air back. I doubt they are just going to give it back and leave it. | ||
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:40 Drazlok wrote: They are much slower than mutas. They can just jump around and keep you in your base with no way to actually kill more than one. Hydras have the same movement speed as mutas on creep. With twice the range if upgraded and half the attack rate, I don't see how Mutas could be very troublesome for some Hydras. But I don't play Zerg so I really don't know that match up very well. | ||
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kinetic_skink
Australia125 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:48 KentHenry wrote: Hydras have the same movement speed as mutas on creep. With twice the range if upgraded and half the attack rate, I don't see how Mutas could be very troublesome for some Hydras. But I don't play Zerg so I really don't know that match up very well. That's not correct. On creep Hydra's speed is 3.375 while Mutalisks are 3.75 Off creep there is even less chance obviously. | ||
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
That's not correct. On creep Hydra's speed is 3.375 while Mutalisks are 3.75 Off creep there is even less chance obviously. My mistake, misread, thank you for the correction. | ||
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Drazlok
2 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:48 KentHenry wrote: Hydras have the same movement speed as mutas on creep. With twice the range if upgraded and half the attack rate, I don't see how Mutas could be very troublesome for some Hydras. But I don't play Zerg so I really don't know that match up very well. I don't think they are quite as fast but I'm not sure. Even if it is say they hit your workers and then they back out and fly to your expo. Then you go to your expo and they fly back to your main. So you split your hydras and then he goes hunting overlords. So you pull them back, if you haven't already. Your not killing many mutas, hes holding you in your base and has total map control. All the while getting tons more mutas. | ||
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:57 Drazlok wrote: I don't think they are quite as fast but I'm not sure. Even if it is say they hit your workers and then they back out and fly to your expo. Then you go to your expo and they fly back to your main. So you split your hydras and then he goes hunting overlords. So you pull them back, if you haven't already. Your not killing many mutas, hes holding you in your base and has total map control. All the while getting tons more mutas. Welcome to T & P world. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
FINALLY theyr worth making again ftw | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
Any way you cut it, non-Spire Zerg without FG for anti-air would have a much harder time dealing with Muta harass than either other race. All this childish "welcome to TvZ/PvZ" gibberish is pure garbage. | ||
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