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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 04 2010 23:21 GMT
#2281
the infestor change might be fine but i think hydra's could have gotten a slight buff in the same time.

I mean hydra's are just too slow now and this will especially be problematic with easily massable phoenixes.I think the hydra upgrade should be slightly buffed, make it go range 7 or give hydra's a slight hp buff or add some speed off creep. Something like it at least.
CubY
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany93 Posts
December 04 2010 23:23 GMT
#2282
I Think it is very important what we are doing right here...we are giving feedback to blizzard but what i dont understand is how people rage about blizzar for the patch blabla....It is a pre version..A TEST VERSION.
It is for trying new things and that is what they are doing!!
http://www.verticalsense.de/ //// I love e -Sports <3
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 23:24:56
December 04 2010 23:23 GMT
#2283
On December 05 2010 08:18 FrankWalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 08:06 Carras wrote:
if u cant fungal phoenixes the ZvP wil be complely broken..


i think that is a bit of an overreaction good sir


i think thats pretty much how it is, p is already good vs z, but with phoenixes being counterable only by going slow, expensive, fragile hydras, i srsly dont see how z can win vs p

if they balance that out with a buff to hydras then that would be ok, and maybe make hydras counter mutas more so that zvz doesnt degenerate into muta massing with fg no longer targetting air
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
December 04 2010 23:29 GMT
#2284
On December 05 2010 08:23 summerloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 08:18 FrankWalls wrote:
On December 05 2010 08:06 Carras wrote:
if u cant fungal phoenixes the ZvP wil be complely broken..


i think that is a bit of an overreaction good sir


i think thats pretty much how it is, p is already good vs z, but with phoenixes being counterable only by going slow, expensive, fragile hydras, i srsly dont see how z can win vs p


Am I missing something? Hydra's on creep are as fast as stimmed marines, either you're being defensive with them and you're on creep, or you're pushing across the map and forcing them to engage. Why are you trying to chase phoenix around in the middle of the map with no creep?
Darhaja
Profile Joined September 2010
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 23:43:02
December 04 2010 23:36 GMT
#2285
phoenixes are faster than hydras on creep, and they are faster than mutas if u have any control whatsoever its going to be hell to deal with 4-6 phoenixes sniping overlords all the time. This will give u very valuable information as to what the zerg is doing so u can build your anti zerg army and win. Pretty much zerg just lost all map control from one small change to the most underused unit in the game, without map control u cannot expand like a zerg would like. It's by far the worst thing thats happened to zerg. Also why does storm hit air? fungal can't anymore thats the only reasonable change i see happening now u have way to many options to deal with mutas. Blink stalker, storm, cannons, archons, phoenixes, and tbh void ray stalker isnt bad vs muta either. Terran has thors, marines, missile turrets, HSM (from the raven and PDD), +1 vikings beat +1 mutas. So now whats zerg have for aa compared to the things i just named.. Hydras queens corruptors and spores... hahaha everything i just named from the other 2 races is about 15 times better than the zergs AA.. Doesn't look to promising and i see a lot of zerg's race changing after this.
NewteN
Profile Joined November 2010
United States179 Posts
December 04 2010 23:38 GMT
#2286
When I launch PTR, my monitor can't display the game lolz?
traumatise
Profile Joined September 2010
22 Posts
December 04 2010 23:38 GMT
#2287
yeahhh I play Toss, and despite loving the changes. Damn do I feel bad for zerg.

Even with just the pheonix build time decreasing would make stargate an even more viable opening vs Z, but my pheonixes cant be fungal growthed? Thats just cruel.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
December 04 2010 23:42 GMT
#2288
On December 05 2010 08:38 NewteN wrote:
When I launch PTR, my monitor can't display the game lolz?

Just copy paste the variables.txt from your normal SC2 folder to your SC2 Test folder. That should copy all the graphics settings over.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 23:46:42
December 04 2010 23:46 GMT
#2289
On December 05 2010 07:49 rift wrote:
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On December 05 2010 07:04 N0cturnal wrote:
yeesh cmon blizz, I made this icon in like 5 mins

[image loading]


How many points do you have?



Is this fake or is the master league icon really that lame?:D
bobcat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States488 Posts
December 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#2290
Observer cost - Love it
Stargate buffs -Now void rays can still kill massive units like they were supposed to without hindering regular unit play.

Phoenixes coming out faster will be a huge help in countering muta/ling play as well as stargate openers.

The repair change was necessary. All of these thor timing attacks are stupid. Planetary fortresses weren't fun either. I also like how it gives them priority equal to what they repair, so SCV's repairing other SCV's wont cause a priority error.

I like the creep even spread, and the pylon change.
"I just want to see bobcat wrist deep in someone's mother's anus" 165 votes
pewzzri
Profile Joined June 2010
23 Posts
December 04 2010 23:48 GMT
#2291
I think the only change that will get removed is the bunker one (since they wrote it) if they really wanted to test and see how the things worked out wouldn't they release it in korea only then? they have themself said that they lead the way in tactics and gameplay, they just don't wanna release a patch and have some major failure like ultra+planatery like last time is my guess.

Otherwise i think the fungal nerf is good TvZ, finally you can drop again after midgame and the removal of hold-down-a-key is awesome, macro is pretty simple with MBS. And if you think sc2 should be about thinking and not about hand speed well why not find other people that think alike and then you can play 1v1s on slowest were it wouldn't matter -.-
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
December 04 2010 23:49 GMT
#2292
What does the 'even creep spread' mean in real terms?
bobcat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States488 Posts
December 04 2010 23:49 GMT
#2293
On December 05 2010 08:23 summerloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 08:18 FrankWalls wrote:
On December 05 2010 08:06 Carras wrote:
if u cant fungal phoenixes the ZvP wil be complely broken..


i think that is a bit of an overreaction good sir


i think thats pretty much how it is, p is already good vs z, but with phoenixes being counterable only by going slow, expensive, fragile hydras, i srsly dont see how z can win vs p

if they balance that out with a buff to hydras then that would be ok, and maybe make hydras counter mutas more so that zvz doesnt degenerate into muta massing with fg no longer targetting air


Corruptors should still dominate phoenixes if I remember correctly. Hydras can still protect a small staionary location (base), and spore crawlers will still hold them off.

Phoenixes are now to zerg what mutas have been to protoss for a long time. Except you have a ground unit that can kill them cost effectively.
"I just want to see bobcat wrist deep in someone's mother's anus" 165 votes
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#2294
On December 05 2010 08:49 Dragar wrote:
What does the 'even creep spread' mean in real terms?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166707
Hello
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
December 04 2010 23:53 GMT
#2295
On December 05 2010 07:04 N0cturnal wrote:
yeesh cmon blizz, I made this icon in like 5 mins

[image loading]


Is it just another league like diamond or plat or does it function differently?

I remember during Blizzcon they mentioned that it would use a different system than the points shenanigans from the lower leagues. Or was that just Grandmaster?

So obfuscated.
thesauceishot
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada333 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 23:55:59
December 04 2010 23:55 GMT
#2296
I almost wish these patch notes weren't posted here. People are acting like they're official to come in the future. In the strategy forums and everywhere. Why don't people understand what a PTR is? T_T
positron.
Profile Joined May 2010
634 Posts
December 04 2010 23:57 GMT
#2297

On December 05 2010 07:24 TekKpriest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:16 woody60707 wrote:
I think the nerf to FG comes in part from air units clumping. FG was never meant to lock down your whole army, or even a most of it. 6-8 MM's or 1-2 thors (3 if you were lucky) for Terran. Same with lots/stalkers, zerg, ect.

Just the DOT (damage over time) is crazy powerful when landed on that tight ball of 16+ mutas/Phoenixes.

Now maybe the nerf goes to far with all units. Limit FG to 4-5 air units maybe would be better.



Zerg has to spread Mutas vs Thors etc.


So tell me why dont terran spread his units? if a fungal stops a whole army, its the terrans fault not the "OP" FUNGAL...


Yea sure. Spreading mutas means don't focus fire. Just fly over and hit s. I am sure that take lots of micro. Don't even compare that to spreading marines against bling. There are about 200000 ppl who can spread mutas and about 200 who can spread marines well enough for it to be effective.
razboi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States67 Posts
December 05 2010 00:03 GMT
#2298
On December 05 2010 08:53 ltortoise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:04 N0cturnal wrote:
yeesh cmon blizz, I made this icon in like 5 mins

[image loading]


Is it just another league like diamond or plat or does it function differently?

I remember during Blizzcon they mentioned that it would use a different system than the points shenanigans from the lower leagues. Or was that just Grandmaster?

So obfuscated.


I think it's becuase it's just beta and it's easier to get in(since there is less ppl playing,same thing during beta diamond was much easier to get into). But i'm sure on release they will do what they said. They said that the top 200 will be in master league. And i believe the top 2%? will be in grandmaster league.
Kokujin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States456 Posts
December 05 2010 00:04 GMT
#2299
hahaha comparing splitting marines to magic box...
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
December 05 2010 00:05 GMT
#2300
After playing a few PvZ games, I can say I really miss flux vanes. And the ability to hold down a hotkey and have it register as pressing the key repeatedly. Following your scouting probe and warping in zealots are both so annoying now!
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
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