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On December 03 2010 05:41 gozima wrote:
Do you honestly believe ESPN will be remotely interested in promoting some niche RTS game that draws at most some 20-40 thousand online viewers?
ESPN viewership is in the millions, and I doubt advertisers would be interested in promoting SC2.
Lets be happy with our little corner of the internet and help ensure that it stays alive for years to come. Expanding our E-Sports universe is going to take baby steps not giant leaps of faith.
hey... do millions watch Magic the gathering or spelling bees? probably not.... so as long as we're a better idea than those we can get ourselves up on TV (by ourselves/we, i mean Starcraft 2)
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ESPN is not all about sports
Entertainment and Sports Programming Network
So even for those who does not consider e-sports as sports, it still has a place in ESPN. Furthermore they also cover Poker quite extensively so i don't see why not. I do believe it's still too early and i'd much rather it to be a concerted team liquid reddit, husky effort ( basically all big sc2 community out there). We can provide them actual figures , signatures, maybe get big shots from MLG to chip in and have MLG broadcasted on ESPN for a start.
Noble effort but a little bit too early imo. You can't rush this as well otherwise it will end up just like CGS
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On December 03 2010 11:43 Aporetics wrote:
PS
What the community can do:
1. Generate top players who are personable and fun to watch (like Jinro, et al.)
2. Generate professional commentators who can simultaneously appeal to new and to veteran audiences.
3. Maintain our hallmark goodwill and enthusiasm as a community: gl hf gg! (Seriously, what other sport breeds such sportsmanship?)
4. In professional sports, franchises invest in developing talent by (a) having "minor" leagues, and (b) having "scouts." For those who have never been involved in high-level sports, scouts don't just go around finding undiscovered talent: when they find it, they develop it. A scout becomes a personal coach to the talent he finds.
SC2 Teams are like this, but I hope to see the community develop more organized ways of developing talent. A fundamental part of this is keeping the community a positive place, supportive of players. Getting into SC2 is logistically hard enough. The first thing we can do is make the sacrifice worthwhile.
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They could even produce this ENTIRELY ONLINE.
Perhaps TeamLiquid should sit down with Hulu.
This might be a nice way to introduce starcraft into the mainstream.
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Great thought, who knows it could work considering the amount of channels Espn has. I could see them plugging this on Espn3 more than anything. Though the goal may be set a bit to high.
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On December 03 2010 12:03 dtz wrote:
ESPN is not all about sports
Entertainment and Sports Programming Network
So even for those who does not consider e-sports as sports, it still has a place in ESPN. Furthermore they also cover Poker quite extensively so i don't see why not. I do believe it's still too early and i'd much rather it to be a concerted team liquid reddit, husky effort ( basically all big sc2 community out there). We can provide them actual figures , signatures, maybe get big shots from MLG to chip in and have MLG broadcasted on ESPN for a start.
Noble effort but a little bit too early imo. You can't rush this as well otherwise it will end up just like CGS
The most basic problem isn't an issue of e-sports vs sports. It's the fact that people here are vastly overestimating GSL/MLG and vastly underestimating all the sports that ESPN broadcasts. Whatever the most watched e-sports event in the history of e-sports is is absolutely NOTHING compared to even the 'niche' stuff on the network. It can't even begin to touch things like basketball/football/baseball.
SC2 is nowhere near being an option for most legit broadcasting stations.
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On December 03 2010 05:36 Minzy wrote:
it doesnt have to be a prime time slot to begin with. i mean if theyre going to show "proffesional fishing", why not starcraft.
The sad truth is that there are more people interested in watching fishing, bowling, or any other more obscure sport than there are interested in watching SC2.
Tens of thousands of viewers is a very very small number comparatively to ratings that even the most obscure sounding programs pull in.
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I watch almost every Sportscenter and almost every GSL game. That being said.... there is a better chance of me building a time machine and winning GSL season 1 than ESPN showing starcraft 2.  I've never met a single person in real life that would watch a GSL game for more than 30 seconds and every person I know watches Sportscenter. Which do you think ESPN is going to show? They show poker because people actually watch it but seriously.... look at how many views the GSL videos have compared to how many people watch ESPN. Not even comparable.
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While I think people are on the mark when they say that ESPN probably isn't going to be airing SC2 games at this point in time, the OP is on the right track. You have to lay the groundwork by showing there is some level of interest there. While the chances of near term success are low, the chances of them deciding to broadcast SC2 is zero if it's not even on their radar at all.
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On December 03 2010 05:41 gozima wrote:
Do you honestly believe ESPN will be remotely interested in promoting some niche RTS game that draws at most some 20-40 thousand online viewers?
ESPN viewership is in the millions, and I doubt advertisers would be interested in promoting SC2.
Lets be happy with our little corner of the internet and help ensure that it stays alive for years to come. Expanding our E-Sports universe is going to take baby steps not giant leaps of faith.
Boxer vs. NaDa had 1.4 million viewers.
it's a niche RTS game... no arguing against that. But look at the potential! You said it yourself "ESPN viewership is in the millions"
But I think TV is not going to be the way to reach the mainstream anymore. Esports needs a way to show an intense game via facebook/youtube/etc.
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Being a dad now and having a kid in my arms for most of the time that I'm home, I would love to be able to grab the TV remote and throw a SC2 championship up on the TV while I play with my kids.
That is an effect you are not going to get out of YouTube or Facebook and is exactly why you need ESPN to have a major SC2 Tourney, even if its just once a year.
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as much as I'd love to see sc2 on espn, you guys are crazy lol. First of all SC2 doesnt fit espn's program line up at all, either does it fit the demographic that already watches espn. Football football, basketball, soccer, baseball, more football, oh yea then 2 hours of starcraft, lmao not gonna happen.
You guys would be better served bothering g4tv, they might actually do it, since there viewership has been dropping as of late and they actually have broadcasted live video game tourneys before.
just because starcraft is an e-sport doesnt mean it should be on a sports channel, dont be a fool.
you guys are dreaming too big too fast, if you were to say, have a college based tournament in the states and canada, that might make it on espnU but never never nevewr espn or espn2, those are 2 of the most popular if not teh msot poopular cable channels in north america.
ESPN is not "looking for more programming" they have plenty, if you notice espn is basically the only channel that doesnt go infomercials for 4 hours at 3am, and theres a reason for that.
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not a good video to send. I think the video alone is going to make them say no. If ur gonna show something, i HAS to be HD, and It has to not have corny music. If it was like a compilation of exciting moments where u can hear the crowd and the commentators going nuts it would be much better. Also you should use the korean commentators since they sound more exciting as well as more serious that Tastosis(love them though, but idk if ESPN would appreciate completely random corny jokes.) These are ppl who have never ever seen an RTS be played. If you give them low quality they are just going to close it and forget about it.
I have yet to see a good highlights video from sc2. I think we need desperately need one.
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hey... do millions watch Magic the gathering or spelling bees? probably not.... so as long as we're a better idea than those we can get ourselves up on TV (by ourselves/we, i mean Starcraft 2)
At first I was thinking.. yeah ESPN and E-sports as if.
But that brings up a good point, they broadcast some serious garbage. I bet if you told ESPN execs 20 years ago they'd be playing HOURS of texas hold'em each week, including a Tuesday primetime slot... they have laughed you out of the room.
They also have run programming based on competitive Madden football.. so it isn't like they don't acknowledge competitive gaming.
Obviously if everyone who ever played SC2 emailed ESPN it wouldn't matter, they aren't broadcasting SC2 anytime soon. However, it is worth getting up with whatever other media outlets around, smaller TV stations, etc. because that is where it would have to start. If down the road it really picked up steam then who knows, have to start somewhere.
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On December 03 2010 13:17 TheGiftedApe wrote:
as much as I'd love to see sc2 on espn, you guys are crazy lol. First of all SC2 doesnt fit espn's program line up at all, either does it fit the demographic that already watches espn. Football football, basketball, soccer, baseball, more football, oh yea then 2 hours of starcraft, lmao not gonna happen.
You guys would be better served bothering g4tv, they might actually do it, since there viewership has been dropping as of late and they actually have broadcasted live video game tourneys before.
just because starcraft is an e-sport doesnt mean it should be on a sports channel, dont be a fool.
you guys are dreaming too big too fast, if you were to say, have a college based tournament in the states and canada, that might make it on espnU but never never nevewr espn or espn2, those are 2 of the most popular if not teh msot poopular cable channels in north america.
ESPN is not "looking for more programming" they have plenty, if you notice espn is basically the only channel that doesnt go infomercials for 4 hours at 3am, and theres a reason for that.
Did you read any of the other posts? Talking about the other crap they show at those times? I think sc2 could easily beat any of those for time slots...
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Here's something I've never understood and I hope someone can explain it to me... why would anyone want pro-gaming to become popular? One of the main reasons it's so enjoyable (for me) is because it's a niche scene. It's like being in a special club that very few other people know about. You tell your friends about it and they go "No way! That's real??" Then they seek it out and you can talk about it with those friends, and you're all in that cool club.
What would be the benefit of pro-gaming becoming more widespread and being broadcast on ESPN? More commercials? A greater chance that players would take the fall for money? The luxury of watching the games on a chair in front of the TV as opposed to a chair in front of the computer? Or do people need validation for their enjoyment of progaming? Like "More people like it, so it's ok I do!"
Someone please explain :/
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On December 03 2010 13:49 NukeTheStars wrote:
Here's something I've never understood and I hope someone can explain it to me... why would anyone want pro-gaming to become popular? One of the main reasons it's so enjoyable (for me) is because it's a niche scene. It's like being in a special club that very few other people know about. You tell your friends about it and they go "No way! That's real??" Then they seek it out and you can talk about it with those friends, and you're all in that cool club.
What would be the benefit of pro-gaming becoming more widespread and being broadcast on ESPN? More commercials? A greater chance that players would take the fall for money? The luxury of watching the games on a chair in front of the TV as opposed to a chair in front of the computer? Or do people need validation for their enjoyment of progaming? Like "More people like it, so it's ok I do!"
Someone please explain :/
You don't have to hide it in public anymore like you're a little freak. A lot of time if you accidentally bring it up in public you sound like a freak because you're a minority.
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On December 03 2010 13:49 NukeTheStars wrote:
Here's something I've never understood and I hope someone can explain it to me... why would anyone want pro-gaming to become popular? One of the main reasons it's so enjoyable (for me) is because it's a niche scene. It's like being in a special club that very few other people know about. You tell your friends about it and they go "No way! That's real??" Then they seek it out and you can talk about it with those friends, and you're all in that cool club.
What would be the benefit of pro-gaming becoming more widespread and being broadcast on ESPN? More commercials? A greater chance that players would take the fall for money? The luxury of watching the games on a chair in front of the TV as opposed to a chair in front of the computer? Or do people need validation for their enjoyment of progaming? Like "More people like it, so it's ok I do!"
Someone please explain :/
I agree with you. Well I guess the truth is I'm neutral. Aside from possible benefits to players, there really isn't all that much benefit to it that I can see. And since I am not and will not become a pro player, of course I'm going to look at it from the point of view of a spectator. I've never had any issues watching starcraft on the computer, dating back to BW I liked heading on over to sc2gg and throwing on some of my favorite casters, including NukeTheStars, while working on homework, or eating dinner, or even with a couple of friends to watch some games.
The difference to me as a spectator between seeing something on TV or the internet is minimal. Especially with the production value we've seen from Korea it's not like we're missing that either. I wouldn't care if starcraft became more mainstream, but I wouldn't care if it didn't either. I am happy with where it's at now.
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On December 03 2010 05:34 Holcan wrote:
as if 7,000$ prize pools are interesting when ESPN is used to covering athletes with over
$100 million. And 10-20 thousand viewers is nothing compared to to the hundred of thousands of viewers they get for individual regular season games, let alone playoffs which yield millions of internationally interested fans. Its a wasted effort to contact ESPN, you'd be better off asking G4TV to have a more dedicated segment, but even still if everything is on the internet for Esports why do you want to include a media outlet that isnt declining in popularity? The people who want to follow sc2, can and do, so trying to force it into the mainstream is futile.
Another good idea would be getting college media outlets to cover the CSL, which probably has the draw of a chess tournament, and a debate team.
Who gives a shit? Try anyway. Nobody ever got anywhere with your kind of attitude. Itd be better to say you tried and get shot down than to not try at all.
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I just don't think the audience is there for SC2 to be broadcasted on the biggest sports channel in the US. Poker isn't really a sport but the WSOP brings in a surprisingly large amount of viewers.
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