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On December 03 2010 09:51 Doctorjorts wrote:
Starcraft II has nothing to do with sports. It lacks the gross-out-but-can't-look-away factor of professional eating, it doesn't have the oh-those-poor-children factor of spelling bees, and anyone that hasn't played the game would be completely lost. I understand you would have a different casting strategy by trying to dumb things down, but seriously, do you think anyone who hasn't played Starcraft is going to try to figure out the difference between a marine and marauder?
Do you understand how complicated Football is? do you really know every rule to Football? How about basketball? Did you even know they cant have cream cheese in the lockers in the ACC? There are people at universities hired to specifically read the rule books because they are so big. Have you ever heard Artosis and Tasteless explain the game for people who "are new to the game"? they make side comments all the time about it. All you have to get across is the "Idea" of the game not every minor detail.
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On December 03 2010 09:47 Zim23 wrote:
If people who love video games think there's no chance then how the fuck are we going to convince other people?
Wisdom.
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Why not try and contact the guy in the MLG/ESPN press release?
He's not active, but here's his twitter:
http://twitter.com/rpp5
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It sounds way too choppy and forced now. It has to sound natural, but backed up with evidence. More sentence variety, and don't just do fact after fact. Elaborate on stuff.
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On December 03 2010 10:03 mardi wrote:
it appears that ESPN responded to the email sent by the guy in reddit.
Did reddit post the response?
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On December 03 2010 10:54 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 10:03 mardi wrote:
it appears that ESPN responded to the email sent by the guy in reddit. Did reddit post the response?
its in the first post...It was the response I was most expecting.
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On December 03 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:
It sounds way too choppy and forced now. It has to sound natural, but backed up with evidence. More sentence variety, and don't just do fact after fact. Elaborate on stuff.
Problem is 1,000 characters without spaces doesn't leave much room for elaborating. What's there right now is 1,000 characters exactly. =/
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I agree that G4TV or a similar station would be a better target for this type of campaign. G4 has said in the past that the reason they don't cover e-sports in general is because it is simply too niche even for their audience. Now, with the rise of SC2, there's a chance that G4 could be convinced, but ESPN is a bit of a pipedream.
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My opinion is that "Teamliquid TV" would come before ESPN or G4.
I believe that things happen slowly. From one day to another we will not see a channel like ESPN broadcasting StarCraft (at any time of the grill).
I think it is an assault on a huge castle. At the moment, impossible.
On the other hand I think a very small channel or simply too small will not help. I'm tired of seeing programs, shows and interesting proposals simply ruined because no one sees that channel and the conclusion is "Ok, we were wrong, televise this or doing this type of program does not work."
Teamliquid TV is a possibility in some sense. At the moment no one could reach the cable TV channels, but "TL" has an amazing infrastructure now.
We have "Streamers" in several languages, different programs, dozens of commentators and, above all, a community and a public that supports the entire infrastructure as well as tournaments, progamers within the community, links to associations, brands and companies. I think there's enough material.
I think it's a matter of organization, also to observe deep as project and create a TV programming, but on the Internet.
Again, it's my opinion.
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I don't know what is sadder - the ones posting negative non-constructive stuff for no other reason than they are negative no-sayers - geez guys
or the parochial USA centric blinkered attitudes a lot of you portray -
ESPN would not be interested because E-sport is only big in China Taiwain and Korea - what - you think ESPN isn't interested those markets? China is the biggest market in the world...
Go for ESPN man - they will jump at it if presented properly
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ESPN broadcasts Magic The Gathering? SCII doesn't seem that farfetched now.
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Here's how it works:
You tell them how to MARKET the show, and on the merit of that potential, they'll become interested.
This poses a serious problem. Why?
Because it requires an educated audience. ESPN appeals to people value "manliness," and feats of strength. Hence, ESPN's stable audience (the one they will "sell" to their advertisers) will not react well to programming whose dramatic appeal consists in "geeking out."
If you really want to pitch it, you have to think like their managing board.
I think it would be cool. Best of luck. I hope my points help.
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Power to you man, the worst they can say is no, amirite? I will actually do this purely for the support. Good Luck
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PS
What the community can do:
1. Generate top players who are personable and fun to watch (like Jinro, et al.)
2. Generate professional commentators who can simultaneously appeal to new and to veteran audiences.
3. Maintain our hallmark goodwill and enthusiasm as a community: gl hf gg! (Seriously, what other sport breeds such sportsmanship?)
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youre not gonna have any luck at all with ESPN. now with g4 tv, that might stnad a chance with say the finals of some major tournament
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Why is there no mention of Eurosport's esports coverage in the letter. The first episode on the Global Challenge Shanghai had more then 1 million viewers. Way more relevant then husky's subscriber number or the korean viewer numbers because it is a similar market.
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On December 03 2010 11:31 RhodanP wrote:
I don't know what is sadder - the ones posting negative non-constructive stuff for no other reason than they are negative no-sayers - geez guys
or the parochial USA centric blinkered attitudes a lot of you portray -
ESPN would not be interested because E-sport is only big in China Taiwain and Korea - what - you think ESPN isn't interested those markets? China is the biggest market in the world...
Go for ESPN man - they will jump at it if presented properly
Honestly, I think the solution is not to "try their luck" with a lot of television or associations.
If we can do things right the first time in one go, perfect. Say "Hey, what can go wrong?" Well ... the worst that can happen is that the first impression will be horrible and they will refuse to read more letters like this.
That's what can happen.
A move like this should be supervised by Teamliquid.
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On December 03 2010 11:39 Aporetics wrote:
Here's how it works:
You tell them how to MARKET the show, and on the merit of that potential, they'll become interested.
This poses a serious problem. Why?
Because it requires an educated audience. ESPN appeals to people value "manliness," and feats of strength. Hence, ESPN's stable audience (the one they will "sell" to their advertisers) will not react well to programming whose dramatic appeal consists in "geeking out."
If you really want to pitch it, you have to think like their managing board.
I think it would be cool. Best of luck. I hope my points help.
I agree with this totally. the reason poker took off like a wild rocket is because this audience could still consider it "manly" enough to at least put up with it being on TV. Even if they dont consider it a sport. And also the fact that online poker is a MASSIVE money hog dosent help our cause.
however G4 would be better off by launching a SC league... it would appeal to their target audience much more than their now DISMAL programming. Would be fairly cheap to produce (with prize pool/production being the only recurring costs) and would provide advertisers with a viewer base they want to target MUCH more than with Cops/cheaters etc. They could even produce this ENTIRELY ONLINE.
Show thats Cheap,Marketable,Cutting edge, low production budget,video game oriented, and huge growth potential? why arent they already doing this?
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Here's my version.
I am writing to urge you not only on behalf of me or the people that have actively helped with this letter. I am writing on behalf of modern society as a whole, of the booming age where technology has morphed our modern day lives, changed the industry, and created specifically a new thriving phenomenon, known as E-Sports. (SOMEHOW NEED TO BRING UP SC2 IN THIS SENTENCE)
As well all know ESPN is the monopoly of sports broadcasting. But we also know that you also show special programs from spelling bee's to even Magic the Gathering. Speaking on behalf of over a million people, we believe that E-Sports(electronic sports) is growing like never before, specifically one game, a strategy RTS game called Starcraft.
The original Starcraft is considered a national pastime in South Korea, with regular showings on TV and years of long-standing and stable tournaments. (REPHRASE BETTER). Amassing a massive cult following, it was only when the sequel, Starcraft 2, came into existence that E-Sports has begun to explode.
The fastest selling strategy game of all time, Starcraft Two has surpassed all expectations having regular audience viewings ranging from from 20000 viewers reguarly watching games live from a single stream to the 300,000 subscribers that famous SC2 commentators such as "Husky Starcraft" have. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people meet on websites such as Teamliquid and Reddit daily to discuss, debate, and watch Starcraft.
The time to capitalize on this is now. If from only the internet Starcraft Two can thrive so greatly, then imagine how much could happen if it was shown on ESPN. Viewers ranging from not only in America, but from China, Korea, and much of Europe(all having a big E-Sports base). By showing SC2 matches on television, not only would it be watched, but it would grow in ways we can only imagine. On behalf of hundreds of thousands of people, we write this, asking you to please consider showing SC2 matches.
feel free to edit it from here. I like the general way this is going.
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It's great that some people are so enthusiastic about the game and the pro scene and it paints a bright future for esports. Realistically, i don't see this happening quite yet as it isn't as popular and mainstream as we would like it to be. However, there is nothing wrong with dreaming so good luck!
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