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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:09 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:
Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.
lol... This is pretty blatant that he messed up and wont respond, most likely, trying to avoid the subject. I still want to know if TL will let him post tourneys etc ehre anymore after this..
I'm not going to do anything until I see a statement, I've sent him a PM requesting one. If he doesn't respond then it's probably best to defeature his tournament until he does, and if the allegations are true then I don't think it's right for him to have his tournament featured on TL ever.
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On December 01 2010 14:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
My best guess is that they made a mistake somewhere, accepted more people into the tournament than can hold, and had trouble resolving it. Running a tournament is not an easy task. It requires far more multitasking than sc2, and when you have too many things to deal with, sometimes you may be forced to ignore people. I don't think they were deliberately trying to be unprofessional, they probably just had poor planning combined with unanticipated complications. When this happens, the best thing you can do is to be as cooperative as you can. If that means that you no longer have a spot in the tournament, then you have to accept it. Even though you don't get the tournament experience that you came for, do your best to make sure that everyone else in the tournament does.
Ray, I know you personally and respect you but your analysis of the situation is completely off-base. I have run tournaments and it's not as difficult as some people make it out to be, Challonge pretty much takes care of the work for you. Your attitude of "suck it up" may be appropriate if it was an online weekly tourney with no prize, but an invite-only tournament when the organizer personally invites you, gives you a bye when your opponent doesn't show, and then replaces you is a completely different matter.
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On December 01 2010 14:59 adrenaLinG wrote:
To be honest I wish Teamliquid had a "tournament guideline" that people tournament hosts must adhere to in order to be featured on the tournament page. Or even be able to advertise it on the TL forums.
second that . but how could they keep that observed consistently , and still maintain a constant variety of favoritism , elitism , and hypocrisy
EDIT : still, seems rather obvious now that you said it .
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players.
no it's not
wtf are u talking about
anyone can make a page that records brackets, and a simple txt file of players names with real ids
thats INCREDIBLY easy to do
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From what I understand he did this in his previous tournament, too (someone in the tourney was telling me about it at the time). I was surprised that no one complained.
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On December 01 2010 14:50 habbey wrote:
@toast
sure, i just took your initial post as saying everything he was saying was conjecture which isn't true, perhaps i misunderstood.
It's cool, I'm just glad that you understand my point, people sometimes are too quick to jump to conclusions.
On December 01 2010 15:04 Smurphy wrote:
There are 6 hours of Ro64 VODs posted on the tournament's TL forum post page. Perhaps there is a moment where the messages pop up somewhere? I have no personal desire to dig through them all.
Several people have mentioned this including the OP, they may be able to narrow down where this was located.
But it would still be nice to hear from the tournament admin.
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despite the pressure...I've never heard something of this proportion, with the lack of response and ID deletes from Brandon, from any other admins of any other tournaments featured on TL.net. If what OP says is accurate...definitely never watching his stream.
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On December 01 2010 15:06 travis wrote:
What an asshole, I'll be sure to never watch that stream again.
Unless adequate explanation is given it would actually please me greatly to see this guy banned from tl.net. This is much worse than some shitty posting.
(I tend to believe everything the OP says just based on how well he explained himself)
I was about to post this. I see how there is a lot of pressure on tournament organizers especially if they are streaming at the same time but that is no excuse if the original poster is being completely truthful about what happened. After some of the posts in this thread it appears that his story is true as it has been established that Brandon both removed real.ID friends during the tournament that were asking him questions and the match between LZ (it was LZ right?) and the player who didn't show up were never played.
This is disappointing to say the least and I would really like to hear from Brandon about the situation. I certainly won't be watching the rest of the tournament.
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
True, but all the guy had to say was "hey, sorry, complications came up and i had to mix up the tourney a bit, and a few people got removed, yourself being one"
Instead of "yes" twice when asked if he was still competing.
99% of the players out there would understand, and not be upset (disappointed, yes, but wouldnt make a deal of it), HOW he handled it is why a lynching is happening :p
Professionalism is a requirement for running a tourney, even if youre overwhelmed, hes WATCHING A GAME, not playing it.
Its REALLY easy to respond (even when livecasting)...
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
Its still a dick move to basically ignore someone, mislead them/not inform them as to whether they are still going to have to play a game--wasting their time, and then not so much as apologize, removing a guy from your real id list and ignoring him.
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OP, you could always try and contact his sponsors about the way he mishandled this event if you feel that badly wronged. It probably won't do much for you now, but it will certainly make them reassess the people that they let dole out their money.
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'm making the assumption in this post that the original poster was originally scheduled to play against player K, K didn't show, the original poster was in the proper place at the proper time and messaged the proper people, the original poster was dropped and LzGamer was then given a 2-0 "bye" against K. I can understand being overwhelmed and making mistakes. However, changing the brackets, giving a player a bye, and dropping a player for no reason CANNOT be acceptable for mere "convenience" from ANY perspective.
Once again I'd like to add the "I assumed that" CMA statement.
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On December 01 2010 15:16 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult. True, but all the guy had to say was "hey, sorry, complications came up and i had to mix up the tourney a bit, and a few people got removed, yourself being one" 99% of the players out there would understand, and not be upset (disappointed, yes, but wouldnt make a deal of it), HOW he handled it is why a lynching is happening :p
?? No, the players would still be pissed. It's an invitational which he already made into the ro32... then he was removed and replaced. It would still be fucking retarded if the admin "mixed up the tourney a bit."
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Boycotting tournaments/stream/website until further notice. I hope this gets resolved peacefully. Honestly, by avoiding the problem he is making an enemy of the TL community. If he just admits his faults or explains himself, it would make things a lot easier on him.
I severely doubt LZ would take a "free win" just because the admin gave it to him. I'm sure it was a human error, and not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.
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On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log: Show nested quote +
Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.
I made sure to check the thread earlier, and when I checked, TQskullz was listed as a player.
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
No. I recently helped run a $700 tournament. We had some fuck ups, but we would NEVER replace a player mid tourney. That has nothing to do with being overwhelmed, that has to do with being an immoral hack. This couldn't happen accidentally as far as I see. There's a paper trail showing Skullz as a player, the event runner new this. You can't blame it on workload, it was intentional.
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On December 01 2010 15:16 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Professionalism is a requirement for running a tourney, even if youre overwhelmed, hes WATCHING A GAME, not playing it.
Its REALLY easy to respond (even when livecasting)...
This.
Although you shouldn't be chatting while watching a game, at least get a co-host so you can watch and they can reply to people. I play in pretty small tournaments ($25 prize), and they have like 2 mods per division, which helps out a lot. But, really, you shouldn't be overwhelmed if you decide to run a tournament, ESPECIALLY if you've run one before.
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That really sucks. (I am Skillet btw.) I originally applied for the tour and was even on the confirmed list. Then I was left out of the brackets and message'd Fireflash (Brandon) about it and he said he'd get me in and that it was just a mistake.
While running a tournament isn't easy, things like this shouldn't happen. I think the best solution is to make a thread on TL notifying players of the tournament well ahead of time. Once brackets are made (obviously) nothing should be changed except for substitution for no shows. Trying to cater to known players is fine when it comes to accepting players and making the order for the replacement list for no-shows, but you can't toy with someone's spot when they've been selected and done nothing wrong...
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On December 01 2010 15:19 DiracMonopole wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:
Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.
I made sure to check the thread beforehand, and when I checked, TQskullz was listed as a player.
I'm talking about the challonge page:
http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2
I looked at the player list, and I'm pretty sure tqskulls is no longer listed.
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Yeah I will also support the op by not watching his stream. That is just a low level move and just because the op is not some high level pro doesn't mean he doesn't deserve common courtesy of at least notifying him that he has been removed instead of just leading him on thinking he is still in the tourney, then following up by the cowardly move to remove him from friends and ignoring him
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