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skYfiVe December 01 2010 14:51
From what I saw watching the stream earlier, i did see Brandon delete multiple Real ID friends mid tournament, and simply exiting chat conversations without responding or hardly looking at them.
Whether he actually meant for this to happen, had too much on his hand or whatever, just PLEASE if YOU are running a tournament, YOU need to run that tournament and NOT be the caster/streamer at the same time. ESPECIALLY when players have to wait around 2/3 hours just to play their game. This is absurd if you think this is how you run a tournament.
Whatever the outcome of this, just take the above advice please... it will allow for tournaments to run far smoother.
blade55555 December 01 2010 14:53
Yeah I saw that too. There were people msg'ing him asking him a question about opponents or something but he exited the convo instead of answering :S
Yeah i could confirm this one too.
adrenaLinG Canada. December 01 2010 14:59
To be honest I wish Teamliquid had a "tournament guideline" that people tournament hosts must adhere to in order to be featured on the tournament page. Or even be able to advertise it on the TL forums.
Agree.
OP, what doesn't kill you makes you a stronger SC player! yeah!
Watching the stream i didnt notice your messages but for sure fieflash was dodging everyone.
I wish he releases a statement on this.
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On December 01 2010 15:46 10fps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape?
NO , he compared ignoring a rape that happened , to ignoring any given wrong doing that happened in general , He merely used an extreme to illustrate the point ; extremes are often useful this way .
Easier to keep an extreme out of the Grey areas of relative morality , there isn't a lot of play morally to use as a saving grace where a brutal rape is concerned , thus is makes the logic stand out more .
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On December 01 2010 15:43 DreamSailor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Little extreme comparison, this isn't nearly the same as a rape scenario.
Yes you're right. What I was referring to was a similarity how a victim might not speak out for whatever reason, which might cause more victims to appear, and the fact that raping can occur from a totally innocent motive, like inviting someone to your house (invitational tournament). Except the consequence is in a totally different level.
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On December 01 2010 15:46 10fps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape?
you're right. the tourney is much more serious
...i'll get back under my bridge now
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You know this type of thing happens all the time at tourneys, If I was you I would just get my tourney fee back and talk trash so nobody will go to his tournaments again. I played at a TF2 and a Cod4 tournament and this team that knew the organizer lost their games or would just win 1 game (instead of the regulation 3 required) and they would still go into the next round. It pisses me off a lot when this shit happens but even more so since I hold Starcraft in a higher regard than lower popularity FPS tourneys. Its just depressing to see some guy get away with bs like this when everyone is just trying to have a good time.
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Everyone should boycott this tourney.
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On December 01 2010 15:49 rackdude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:46 10fps wrote:On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape? yeah... Godwin's Rape Law? Just saying, you might have gone a little too far with that. We get your point though, but watch it a bit since there's a line you may have crossed for some people. Rape has some bad connotations that I don't think we need to pull into this. It doesn't seem like you were trying to incite hate or anything fierce of that sort, so I think you may want to tone it down a bit  .
It's not all bad... right...?
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
yeah because adding a completely new player in is soooooo convenient when youre juggling in so many things at once, right?
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On December 01 2010 15:21 gurrpp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:19 DiracMonopole wrote:On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:
Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.
I made sure to check the thread beforehand, and when I checked, TQskullz was listed as a player. I'm talking about the challonge page: http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2I looked at the player list, and I'm pretty sure tqskulls is no longer listed.
Well done Sherlock Holmes! I checked your information, the entry you mention is still there and it's obvious to me that the substantial part of the OP is true.
Seeing in different threads how Teamliquid is temp banning even renowned players, I have faith in TL taking the proper steps to punish the TDs behavior. This would also strengthen the OPs beliefe in justice, as the warmhearted responses of the TL-Forum-Members in this thread allready do. Dont let the cynical attitude win.
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Hm. Let's not derail the topic further, it's far too important. I shouldn't have started it either, this topic in particular should stay on point.
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
i'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
still not an excuse. he invited them. its not like the OP or the other players forced themselves into the tournament. its about being responsible. well he could still come out and explain, and apologize if indded it was error in his part. so far we have none of those, hence all this flak on him
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I think the fairest solution would have been just to replace the no-show player with the new player (in this case lzGamer) and it would have been a win-win for both sides. Ofc. OP would end up meeting a tough opponent very early on, but its much better than being removed summarily from the tournament.
Edit: Just checked the logs on challonge
Nov 30, 00:36 VET XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505
Skullz gets a bye over kizu.
Now here is the funny part, The participants list still lists
39 GosH.412 -
40 Kizu.505 -
41 Zelniq.473 -
But out of nowhere TQsKuLLz is removed from the list and someone else ( LZgamer) is added in his place? I mean, this looks like the most retarded solution ever.... Any guy with half a brain would just replace the no-show (Kizu) in this case with a new player. Its JUST SO FREAKING OBVIOUS.
Fail tournament organizer is fail.
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Wow my condolences tQsKuLLz.
I'm really digging how battle.net 2.0 leaves a "paper trail" for these situations. Also for all the other responders saying how most people are "overreacting"... a simple "oops... i messed up and apology and probably a solution made" would alleviate the situation. It is very likely that tQsKuLLz would not mind rejoining the tournament in some fashion or given a seed spot in a future tournament however there has been no response from the runner of tourney. Its just like most jobs or careers... you going to mess up at some point but the true professionals man up to their mistakes instead of trying to ignore or pass the buck.
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Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2
XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327.
and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64
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On December 01 2010 15:56 Piledriver wrote:
I think the fairest solution would have been just to replace the no-show player with the new player (in this case lzGamer) and it would have been a win-win for both sides. Ofc. OP would end up meeting a tough opponent very early on, but its much better than being removed summarily from the tournament.
He probably meant to do something like that, but when he did it accidentally removed the OP instead of removing the no show player, causing this problem.
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LZGamer already was in the tournament, one of the many reasons why it makes no sense.
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On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327. and the brackets say it was a noshow for NGry in r64
Wow, I didn't notice that. I only noticed the tqskullz log. Could there be any other discrepancies in the logs vs brackets? It doesn't seem so, since there's only one no-show spot, but who knows.
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On December 01 2010 15:12 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:09 Malpractice.248 wrote:On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:
Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.
lol... This is pretty blatant that he messed up and wont respond, most likely, trying to avoid the subject. I still want to know if TL will let him post tourneys etc ehre anymore after this.. I'm not going to do anything until I see a statement, I've sent him a PM requesting one. If he doesn't respond then it's probably best to defeature his tournament until he does, and if the allegations are true then I don't think it's right for him to have his tournament featured on TL ever.
It's good to see something is being done about this, I would be really angry if this happened to me.
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On December 01 2010 16:01 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:56 Piledriver wrote:
I think the fairest solution would have been just to replace the no-show player with the new player (in this case lzGamer) and it would have been a win-win for both sides. Ofc. OP would end up meeting a tough opponent very early on, but its much better than being removed summarily from the tournament. He probably meant to do something like that, but when he did it accidentally removed the OP instead of removing the no show player, causing this problem.
The gist of the problem is he was a douche and didnt respond and try to cover shit up then f removed.
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