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JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 01 2010 07:23 GMT
#141
[image loading]

From the stream. Hoping for a explanation.. =/
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
December 01 2010 07:23 GMT
#142
That's really pathetic.

Can't help feeling like it was just because Lz is "known" - nothing against him cos its obv not his fault, sure he knew nothing about this.

Still not only his actions but the way he handled it was extremely unprofessional.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 07:24 GMT
#143
It is important for players to know that the tournaments they participate in are legitimate.

They also need to know that the prize money is given fairly to whomever performs better. If they can be dropped apart from the rules, then the tournament is completely fake, and the competition is completely invalid.
Zeles
Profile Joined October 2010
United States335 Posts
December 01 2010 07:24 GMT
#144
This doesn't surprise me...when an Asian guy he was casting on his stream went AFK he made a remark saying "He probably went to get some rice". That was my first impression of the guy and this thread confirms my thoughts.
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:27:04
December 01 2010 07:26 GMT
#145
omg, now you guys want to sue him, that will sure help build e-sports in north america, now that sponser's will fear being sued by the players lmao.

This guy messed up and did a horrible job organizing his tourney, He didnt commit murder. The OP even states that when brandon asked him if he ever got to play his game, that the OP DID NOT RESPOND! that right there is grounds for removal from the tourney.

brandon should be scolded and warned, but anything beyond that is ridiculous.
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shabinka
Profile Joined October 2008
United States469 Posts
December 01 2010 07:28 GMT
#146
On December 01 2010 16:26 TheGiftedApe wrote:
omg, now you guys want to sue him, that will sure help build e-sports in north america, now that sponser's will fear being sued by the players lmao.

This guy messed up and did a horrible job organizing his tourney, He didnt commit murder. The OP even states that when brandon asked him if he ever got to play his game, that the OP DID NOT RESPOND! that right there is grounds for removal from the tourney.

brandon should be scolded and warned, but anything beyond that is ridiculous.

Did you read the entire post?
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:31:05
December 01 2010 07:28 GMT
#147
On December 01 2010 16:06 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:
Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2

XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327.

and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64


Yes I know Ngry we talk on vent and last night he waited 3 hours for lzgamer but he never showed up so he told the admin and the admin at first said that if he doesn't show he gets the walkover. Ngry talked to him a little later and he did give Ngry the walkover but yeah guess he just decided to switch him out for another for whatever reason.

Hopefully he resolves this or something ^^


Yea, I think this kinda proves to be what everyone already assumed. LZGamer didn't show up for the Ro64 vs his opponent NGry. Now what should have happened, if LZGamer had a good reason for not making it to ask NGry if he would play LZGamer and let NGry decide to take the Bye or not. But, instead Brandon just replaces a guy he probably thought was disposable. He made a very poor decision and should have kept everything in fair play. Especially when money is on the line.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 01 2010 07:29 GMT
#148
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


Mods can see a list of people who are "active" on TL... and Plexa's said that he was active on TL so should have gotten the PM already.
SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
December 01 2010 07:30 GMT
#149
this isn't "messing up". this is being a dick. he didn't accidentally remove someone from a tourney, ignore said person, and then add a more known person
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 07:30 GMT
#150
In his defence, my first impression of him was positive @ zeles. I also don't know if he was joking when he said what you heard. Let's not turn this into a thread bashing him because his mom might be ugly or anything else speculative and unrelated. He needs to answer an accusation of illegally eliminating an active player in a tournament that has a monetary prize pool that would open him up to civil lawsuits with demonstrable damages in the United States (not sure about other nations or where he is from).
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
December 01 2010 07:30 GMT
#151
On December 01 2010 16:16 adrenaLinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:
pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


fireflash's lawyer?
but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this.

yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out




Yeah we better hurry before the two years is up for the civil suit to be filed hehe
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
chocoed
Profile Joined June 2007
United States398 Posts
December 01 2010 07:31 GMT
#152
I hope this issue gets resolved and Brandon has a damn good reason for doing what he did. Yeah props to him for putting together a cool tournament but throwing fair play out and dropping an invited player without telling him in advance is a really douche move.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 07:33:39
December 01 2010 07:32 GMT
#153
On December 01 2010 16:29 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


Mods can see a list of people who are "active" on TL... and Plexa's said that he was active on TL so should have gotten the PM already.
I didn't say that I'm watching his activity like a hawk
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.
He has until the next broadcast for his tournament, that seems fair in my eyes.
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pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 07:34 GMT
#154
On December 01 2010 16:29 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


Mods can see a list of people who are "active" on TL... and Plexa's said that he was active on TL so should have gotten the PM already.



Thanks for pointing that out. Just because he is active doesn't prove he will have received a message, but hopefully he will see it before he goes to sleep! I know that sometimes I just leave my computer on. Obviously I think this is a pretty bad situation, but if I have to I will start defending him because he does deserve not to be quickly judged.
divertiti
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada106 Posts
December 01 2010 07:34 GMT
#155
On December 01 2010 16:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:
[image loading]

From the stream. Hoping for a explanation.. =/



This isn't any type of mistake, this is as deliberate as they come. Hope you get some justice OP.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 07:35 GMT
#156
On December 01 2010 16:32 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:29 meeple wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


Mods can see a list of people who are "active" on TL... and Plexa's said that he was active on TL so should have gotten the PM already.
I didn't say that I'm watching his activity like a hawk
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:05 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.
He has until the next broadcast for his tournament, that seems fair in my eyes.



That sounds very fair. I sure hope this is all untrue. For once I really appreciate the active MODS on TL! Thnx Plexa.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
December 01 2010 07:36 GMT
#157
On December 01 2010 16:30 MrProphylactic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:16 adrenaLinG wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:
pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


fireflash's lawyer?
but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this.

yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out




Yeah we better hurry before the two years is up for the civil suit to be filed hehe

it might be upgraded to a hate crime now, making it a criminal prosecution, because of his derogatory comments[1].

[1] See Zeles (2010, November 30). Removed without reason, beware!. Teamliquid Forums. Retrieved November 30, 2010 from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7146156
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
December 01 2010 07:36 GMT
#158
On December 01 2010 16:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:
[image loading]

From the stream. Hoping for a explanation.. =/

hahaha busted
i love tl
more weight
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
December 01 2010 07:39 GMT
#159
On December 01 2010 16:26 TheGiftedApe wrote:
omg, now you guys want to sue him, that will sure help build e-sports in north america, now that sponser's will fear being sued by the players lmao.

This guy messed up and did a horrible job organizing his tourney, He didnt commit murder. The OP even states that when brandon asked him if he ever got to play his game, that the OP DID NOT RESPOND! that right there is grounds for removal from the tourney.

brandon should be scolded and warned, but anything beyond that is ridiculous.



I think your sequence of events is a tad bit warped here . Um first of all he didn't respond the first day (R64) and was advanced in the field regardless as his opponent did not show . The problem with the OP happened the following day AFTER he was advanced through the brackets into the Round of 32 . So let me get this straight , I am still painfully attempting to follow your thought process . From what I can gather your point is ; " he could have been booted the day before , therefor he is justified in mistreating him the following day ." Please clarify , becuase this makes absolutely no sense to me .
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
dopesauce
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
52 Posts
December 01 2010 07:41 GMT
#160
Besides reading the thread didn't anyone actually watch the stream? I spent a good hour of torture trying to watch my favorite NA players being unprofessionally cast throughout the entire night. I had enough and turned off the stream for state of the game/HuK. There was no synergy amongst casters and the fact that they kept overlapping and interrupting each other was annoying. Then he goes on a rant about how he is doing it for the love of the game and refusing donations but then asks for them?

I am sure running a tournament is an enormous headache, but even watching this one being cast was an absolute travesty and there should be no reason as to why it is on featured team liquid. Its crazy how many top players were training all day for this tournament and how poorly it was ran from organization to the actual live stream of matches.
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