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On December 01 2010 16:52 Brandon33470 wrote:
This was all a huge misunderstanding and TQSkullz will be put back into the actual Bracket. I had 2-3 Mods this time with me and I should of kept it to myself and ran things by myself. I will add TQSkullz back to the Bracket where he belongs.
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight.
Isn't the RO32 over already? What about the removal of the RealID friend? What about the complete lack of responses?
So many unanswered questions right now, I'm sure mine are just the tip of the iceberg.
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On December 01 2010 16:52 Brandon33470 wrote:
This was all a huge misunderstanding and TQSkullz will be put back into the actual Bracket. I had 2-3 Mods this time with me and I should of kept it to myself and ran things by myself. I will add TQSkullz back to the Bracket where he belongs.
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight.
Busy isn't the best excuse to ignore the players in your tournaments. But who am I to judge right?
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On December 01 2010 16:54 Lz wrote:I dunno what to say about this.. I was contacted.. asked why i didnt show (and i wasnt sure what he was refurring too..) there is so many tournaments in sc2 its hard to keep track of everything you get invited too / signup for.. so he told me which tournament and i told him "oh sorry i guess i forgot" and he said there was alot of people who didnt show up.. and asked if i wanted to (take somone's place.. where both players didnt show up). So it seemed ok.. since it would have ment somone would have got a bye in the RO32. But After reading this.. I had no idea I replaced somone who did show up/expected to play in this tournament. So i just wanna say I'm sorry this happend.. I will gladly Give you my spot which is actually your's in the first place. If you so wish  -Jacob LzGaMeR Winstead~
Lz is so manner!
Sounds like the guy thought you were a no show (forgot he communicated with the OP) and isn't man enough to admit his mistake.
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On December 01 2010 16:54 Lz wrote:I dunno what to say about this.. I was contacted.. asked why i didnt show (and i wasnt sure what he was refurring too..) there is so many tournaments in sc2 its hard to keep track of everything you get invited too / signup for.. so he told me which tournament and i told him "oh sorry i guess i forgot" and he said there was alot of people who didnt show up.. and asked if i wanted to (take somone's place.. where both players didnt show up). So it seemed ok.. since it would have ment somone would have got a bye in the RO32. But After reading this.. I had no idea I replaced somone who did show up/expected to play in this tournament. So i just wanna say I'm sorry this happend.. I will gladly Give you my spot which is actually your's in the first place. If you so wish -Jacob LzGaMeR Winstead~
That is very big of you LzGaMeR!
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On December 01 2010 16:52 Brandon33470 wrote:
This was all a huge misunderstanding and TQSkullz will be put back into the actual Bracket. I had 2-3 Mods this time with me and I should of kept it to myself and ran things by myself. I will add TQSkullz back to the Bracket where he belongs.
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight.
This seems like a very unsatisfactory response. Feels to me like someone trying to weasel out of something that they fucked up big time, without repercussions.
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Like i stated in my other post as well, I am currently a manager of TQ as well and making them a website. As well as working with Zander for Tournamnet mods. I had 64+ whispers and streaming non stop and was just misunderstood at the time. I thought TQ was a no show from the Round of 64 when it was the other person who was the no show. Bracket has been corrected
http://challonge.com/xblstarcraft2
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Lz December 01 2010 16:54 I dunno what to say about this.. I was contacted.. asked why i didnt show (and i wasnt sure what he was refurring too..) there is so many tournaments in sc2 its hard to keep track of everything you get invited too / signup for.. so he told me which tournament and i told him "oh sorry i guess i forgot" and he said there was alot of people who didnt show up.. and asked if i wanted to (take somone's place.. where both players didnt show up). So it seemed ok.. since it would have ment somone would have got a bye in the RO32. But After reading this.. I had no idea I replaced somone who did show up/expected to play in this tournament. So i just wanna say I'm sorry this happend.. I will gladly Give you my spot which is actually your's in the first place. If you so wish -Jacob LzGaMeR Winstead~
Brandon33470 December 01 2010 16:52
This was all a huge misunderstanding and TQSkullz will be put back into the actual Bracket. I had 2-3 Mods this time with me and I should of kept it to myself and ran things by myself. I will add TQSkullz back to the Bracket where he belongs.
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight.
There you go. All's well now? xd
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On December 01 2010 16:54 Lz wrote:I dunno what to say about this.. I was contacted.. asked why i didnt show (and i wasnt sure what he was refurring too..) there is so many tournaments in sc2 its hard to keep track of everything you get invited too / signup for.. so he told me which tournament and i told him "oh sorry i guess i forgot" and he said there was alot of people who didnt show up.. and asked if i wanted to (take somone's place.. where both players didnt show up). So it seemed ok.. since it would have ment somone would have got a bye in the RO32. But After reading this.. I had no idea I replaced somone who did show up/expected to play in this tournament. So i just wanna say I'm sorry this happend.. I will gladly Give you my spot which is actually your's in the first place. If you so wish -Jacob LzGaMeR Winstead~
Aww...LZGamer just went way up in my fanboyism.
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Obvious lie is obvious, Fireflash.
When you're trying to cover your ass, it's best to not half-ass it.
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I just read this entire thread, just because I felt sorry for tQsKuLLz and was trying to find an excuse for the organizer (Brandon) his behavior. Sadly, there was nothing really helpful and there were many posts from users who better did not post.
The fact that Plexa is on this matter makes me happy for the OP. But my bet is that Brandon will come up with a lame excuse in an attempt to shuffle this under the table.
Also, there is only so much you can do when you are a player in somebody his tournament. I have a feeling people are forgetting that. What I remember from this:
1) OP had a free win in r64 and notified Brandon. Brandon was busy and didn't answer this immediately. After a couple hours Brandon saw this message and asked to confirm.
2) In r32 OP got removed, maybe because he didn't confirm his freewin. But this would be unacceptable because he stated his freewin already, he simply didn't confirm it later. And he didn't confirm it because Brandon asked him several hours after he stated the freewin.
3) Extreme douchebaggery today from Brandon, ignoring the player completely. And this is what upsets me the most. If there was an exception, then Brandon should have answered (the screenshot) the OP immediately instead of closing the chat window. But Brandon told the OP that he would play later on in the r32. Thus, if OP really got kicked out then Brandon should be punished.
I feel for you tQsKuLLz.
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On December 01 2010 16:42 Broodwich wrote:
Everyone else is already covered it, 99% sure he's hosed and if so I've been very impressed with your response Plexa. Nice to see you quickly stand up for the guy here.
Totally agree! I am also very impressed by TL's willingness to support the often ignored downtrodden!
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You gotta give a better response than that. So what, you're gonna put him back in his place and pretend that he moved on through a couple rounds? That doesn't even make sense.
Running things by yourself was the exact advice this thread was trying to give you, and your response is 'I should have kept it to myself' ... Somehow I find this really ironic.
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He is in the spot where he would be because Cheese was a no show tonight. Therefore TQSkullz would move on. As if nothing happened.
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Man my bullshit radar just went off.
He messaged you multiple times and you blatantly ignored him.
Oh well.
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On December 01 2010 16:52 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:50 gongryong wrote:adrenaLinG December 01 2010 16:16 On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.
I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices. fireflash's lawyer? but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this. yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out MrProphylactic December 01 2010 16:19 On December 01 2010 16:14 Shikyo wrote:On December 01 2010 16:06 blade55555 wrote:On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327. and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64 Yes I know Ngry we talk on vent and last night he waited 3 hours for lzgamer but he never showed up so he told the admin and the admin at first said that if he doesn't show he gets the walkover. Ngry talked to him a little later and he did give Ngry the walkover but yeah guess he just decided to switch him out for another for whatever reason. Hopefully he resolves this or something ^^ So instead of having Ngry play vs LZGamer later on(even though this would be really bad as well but at least almost makes sense), he's going to replace a random player with LZGamer? Yeah, seems like I fully support closing the tournament thread,banning organizer, unfeaturing etc. This is totally messed up and might be illegal as well, you have his realID so that can be handled as well if it turns out to not be legal. No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards . it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws? The USA has something called Fair competition laws . They are implied in all money competitions
No, we don't have anything called "Fair competition" laws. That's a non-US term. We have antitrust laws. Please stop, you're sidetracking talking about something you don't really know much about.
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On December 01 2010 16:52 Brandon33470 wrote:
This was all a huge misunderstanding and TQSkullz will be put back into the actual Bracket. I had 2-3 Mods this time with me and I should of kept it to myself and ran things by myself. I will add TQSkullz back to the Bracket where he belongs.
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight.
Exactly what misunderstanding was there? You told Lz that you would give him a spot that was apparently available due to neither player showing up, then proceeded to ignore TQSkullz. There is a log of you reporting a 2-0 win for TQ? You say that you confused TQ for his opponent who didn't show, then you told Lz neither player showed up?
I seem to be missing something, so I would appreciate some explanations here.
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On December 01 2010 16:51 Broodwich wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:48 bokeevboke wrote:
Why $500 XBLGaming tournament is still on upcoming events? Why TL is still supporting those douchebags? Read the thread yo. They're giving the tournament a chance to respond before acting.
however, this is an international event[1] and such a crime[2] would constitute a shock of the conscience and could be classified under peremptory norms, allowing for the use of preemptive action by way of opinio juris.
[1]: Streaming to global viewers a Korean e-sport that is widely popular across many nation-states in the international community
[2]: It is even comparable to rape, see: furymonkey (2010, November 30). Removed without reason, beware!. Teamliquid Forums. Retrieved November 30, 2010 from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7145579
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EDIT: cheese was a no show apparently so no need for what i said
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Cheese was a no show tonight.
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On December 01 2010 17:00 Zeles wrote:
Man my bullshit radar just went off.
I didn't wanna be the one to say it lol 
I feel for you Skullz 
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