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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
December 01 2010 08:15 GMT
#221
I don't know what else this proves other than this tournament wasn't run optimally, and that lz is a gentleman and a scholar.
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:16 GMT
#222
If you don't want me here thats fine and I understand and I accept my punishment. I honestly made a mistake and corrected it. Thats all I can say

Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
MiniTsunami
Profile Joined June 2010
United States274 Posts
December 01 2010 08:17 GMT
#223
I agree with Plexa that this tournament seems to be being run very unprofessionally. Brandon's posts so far have been extremely unprofessional, and showcase his personality as someone who just doesn't care about other people but still wants to look good in the public so he can continue to cast his tournament. I've never heard of this tournament until today, but after reading this "Brandon33470"'s posts, I have lost all respect for him and any tournaments he may run.
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
December 01 2010 08:17 GMT
#224
I definitely empathize with you OP
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StimCraft
Profile Joined March 2010
United States144 Posts
December 01 2010 08:17 GMT
#225
Not like I didn't predict this before it started:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167773&currentpage=2#35

lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 01 2010 08:17 GMT
#226
I can understand the outrage over this, but everyone with nothing constructive or helpful to add should just stop posting and making a big deal out of it. It's not helping flooding the thread with useless posts.

If you were watching the stream and have some helpful comments/evidence, then talk about it.

If you are one of the participants and have some comments about the tournament, post.

If you are one of the organizers, please explain.

Mods, well mods will do their job.

Everyone else, if you have nothing helpful to add, stop making the issue more confusing. Stop flooding the thread with useless posts. It's just making things worse.
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MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:28:30
December 01 2010 08:17 GMT
#227
On December 01 2010 17:00 Broodwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 16:52 MrProphylactic wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:50 gongryong wrote:
adrenaLinG December 01 2010 16:16
On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:
pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


fireflash's lawyer?
but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this.


yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out


MrProphylactic December 01 2010 16:19
On December 01 2010 16:14 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:06 blade55555 wrote:
On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:
Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2

XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327.

and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64


Yes I know Ngry we talk on vent and last night he waited 3 hours for lzgamer but he never showed up so he told the admin and the admin at first said that if he doesn't show he gets the walkover. Ngry talked to him a little later and he did give Ngry the walkover but yeah guess he just decided to switch him out for another for whatever reason.

Hopefully he resolves this or something ^^

So instead of having Ngry play vs LZGamer later on(even though this would be really bad as well but at least almost makes sense), he's going to replace a random player with LZGamer?

Yeah, seems like I fully support closing the tournament thread,banning organizer, unfeaturing etc. This is totally messed up and might be illegal as well, you have his realID so that can be handled as well if it turns out to not be legal.




No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time

EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards .


it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws?



The USA has something called Fair competition laws . They are implied in all money competitions


No, we don't have anything called "Fair competition" laws. That's a non-US term. We have antitrust laws. Please stop, you're sidetracking talking about something you don't really know much about.



LMAO , YOU ARE ABOUT 3 PAGES Too LATE GENIUS , here try my second post or so , where I equate fair competition laws to antitrust laws , and by the way collusion and fair competition are a subset of antitrust , get a brain please , the difference iw purely semantic ( which ironically enough I already pointed out )
You remind me of my 5 year old niece walking into an adult movie way over her head mid-way through , and she pretends she knows what is going on .
The semantic turn you just took is absurdly incorrect , lol , as I ALREADY USED THAT TERM LIKE 3 PAGES BACK .
On a side Note I think a comic could get endless human behavior material at these forum type sites . The type of responses I see here never cease to amaze me . Please do not stop however, if you were to stop this type of nonsensicality , where would I get my daily explosion of sympathetic laughter .
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
December 01 2010 08:18 GMT
#228
On December 01 2010 17:12 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:07 Slardar wrote:
I'd just like to say Thanks to Brian for taking his time to run tournaments like this and be a presence in E-sports.

As for this thread, I'd be willing to let it all slide really, just take this as constructive criticism. We can all do some things better, perhaps in this case you should be more vigilant with the players in the tournament and how they are taken care of.

Let it slide as he's a "presence in E-sports", are you kidding me? If fans of the game can't even take this tournament seriously because of how unprofessionally it was run everyone should just move on because he's 'helping e-sports'?

This whole situation is beyond unaccapteble, and the 'clarification' Brandon provided is hardly adequate. "Oops, glad you told me you were left out of the tournament again, I was busy the other few times" is not bloody enough.


Look man, the simple matter of fact is you can analyze and draw conclusions however you want them, at least he's organizing and running the show I'll give him credit and it's probably not as easy as it looks(hell if I'd know.) He's trying to make amends with every post, It can be that there was an ulterior motif to the actions but I doubt anybody can really "prove" any of it. Best thing to do is let it slide, if anyone is to be the judge let it be Plexa.

(For example, is it mere coincidence that Lz posted such a mannerly post nullifying the situation moments after Brandon made his post? Or is it Brandon getting Lz to help cover up the problem? Does it really matter?)
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 01 2010 08:18 GMT
#229
On December 01 2010 17:11 Brandon33470 wrote:
Our $1000 Invitational went perfectly fine last week with all these players in it as well. There was not one problem and the only problem of this entire tournament this time was the TQSkullz issue which was just brought to my attention and fixed instantly.

Yes I messed up, you have to understand one person running a 64 man tournament while live streaming the entire thing by myself and getting everyone lined up on a scheudle as well as casting can be very stressful. I made a mistake I admitted I made the mistake and I fixed my mistake


I honestly don't see how you this issue was just brought to your attention. TQSkullz clearly tried to contact you but you ignored him and removed him from your friends list. It would appear you're only attention to this now because your name has been tossed into the open. But that stuff is not that important now. Point is if you're going to run a tournament of this magnitude you should be prepared for it right?
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
December 01 2010 08:19 GMT
#230
Just wanted to pipe in to say, good job on this one TL I'm proud of you.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:20:44
December 01 2010 08:20 GMT
#231
Alright. He really screwed up. But at this point jumping all over the guy won't improve the situation more than simply letting plexa look over what happened with all of this pointless ranting. In fact not clouding the waters is the best thing we can do at this point.
j0k3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States577 Posts
December 01 2010 08:20 GMT
#232
On December 01 2010 17:16 Brandon33470 wrote:
If you don't want me here thats fine and I understand and I accept my punishment. I honestly made a mistake and corrected it. Thats all I can say



Not really, because things like this are bound to happen in a 1 man show with over 128 players to communicate with and organize. Why in the name of god are you against having help? AS stated above me, bring in other admins to do the behind the scenes work, contacting players about estimated times to show up, updating brackets, reviewing reps etc. I find it ludicrous to manage this beast of a tournament with $500 on the line all by yourself. You claim you can do a good job, but from all evidence that's not what has happened so far. I was a fan of yours in the beginning (for the $1000 tourney) but the arrogance and also disrespect for participating players has really driven me away.
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:21 GMT
#233
I thought I was after running our $1000 Tournament with no problems what so ever

ROOTQXC won 1st Place
Duffman won 2nd Place
AllAboutYou won 3rd place

anyone who has played in my tournament I have ran or still running can vouch I do a very good job and I am always trying to answer questions on battle.net its just hard to answer all the whispers while live streaming a match / casting.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
December 01 2010 08:21 GMT
#234
I think everything has come to light of the situation and the thread might derail into a bash on the tournament host (not that he doesn't deserve it) but it might be best to lock/close the thread now.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 08:22 GMT
#235
On December 01 2010 17:15 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:14 qosu.tQ wrote:
Friend removes everyone in tQ, claims to still be a part of us, and then acts like he didn't remove skullz intentionally.

This really is hilarious.

Sounds like there is more to this story than what brandon is letting on.



Plexa, I'm curious what you expect of Brandon in order to fix this in the eyes of TL? It seems to me that if he fixes his bracket he should at least be allowed to continue on probation. Obviously we will all be watching him closely. I accept Brandon's apology, does skulls? Thank you LZ for being an awesome pro.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
December 01 2010 08:23 GMT
#236
I think the point TL is trying to get at is why the confusion occurred in the first place, because it seems that there have been recommendations to have a staff for this tournament. Just because one tournament ran successfully last week, that does not mean that no adjustments should be made to future tournaments operations.
C r u m b l i n g
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:24:12
December 01 2010 08:23 GMT
#237
On December 01 2010 17:11 Brandon33470 wrote:
Our $1000 Invitational went perfectly fine last week with all these players in it as well. There was not one problem and the only problem of this entire tournament this time was the TQSkullz issue which was just brought to my attention and fixed instantly.

Yes I messed up, you have to understand one person running a 64 man tournament while live streaming the entire thing by myself and getting everyone lined up on a scheudle as well as casting can be very stressful. I made a mistake I admitted I made the mistake and I fixed my mistake


All respect for you running a tournament, but this is hardly about that. You removed 1 player and replaced him with another one just to increase the esteem of the tour. And didn't even tell him, just trying some casual ignoring to see if he would go away?

You can't really claim you accidently removed a person from the bracket and put in lzgamer without realising it because you were under stress...

Imo you're spineless and an utter disgrace for in e-sports.
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sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
December 01 2010 08:23 GMT
#238
On December 01 2010 17:07 Brandon33470 wrote:
I remove everyone after I see they are not on the bracket anymore. Its just something I do, this was just brought to my attention about TQSkullz. I apologize sincerely and actions were taken and Skullz has been added back to the bracket.

http://challonge.com/xblstarcraft2

That's a pretty damn bad thing to do when they're asking you questions relating to the tournament and their games. -_-
1000 at least.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
December 01 2010 08:23 GMT
#239
On December 01 2010 17:14 qosu.tQ wrote:
Friend removes everyone in tQ, claims to still be a part of us, and then acts like he didn't remove skullz intentionally.

This really is hilarious.

sounds like a frenemy
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2010 08:25 GMT
#240
On December 01 2010 17:22 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:15 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2010 17:14 qosu.tQ wrote:
Friend removes everyone in tQ, claims to still be a part of us, and then acts like he didn't remove skullz intentionally.

This really is hilarious.

Sounds like there is more to this story than what brandon is letting on.



Plexa, I'm curious what you expect of Brandon in order to fix this in the eyes of TL? It seems to me that if he fixes his bracket he should at least be allowed to continue on probation. Obviously we will all be watching him closely. I accept Brandon's apology, does skulls? Thank you LZ for being an awesome pro.

I just see Brandon posting about running successful tournaments and saying people have been restored to the bracket - that doesn't magically fix the situation. There are multiple issues to be addressed here (him supposedly removing everyone from tq from his friends list, other accusations of poor player treatment etc) and further I am interested to see what skullz has to say. To clarify, his event is still listed on the calendar and I haven't taken any action yet. I simply believe there is more to this story that what's been said and I'm not just going to close it because Brandon replied.
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