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Bobgrimly
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand250 Posts
December 01 2010 08:34 GMT
#261
Brandon... to solve all this and stop any undue hate it is very simple. Answer why you ignored a player in your tournament when he was specifically asking about his removal.

Mistakes happen. But trying to gloss over a mistake without a proper explanation will not help people trust you. Answer that question and hopefully everything will be roses again.
For the swarm
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
December 01 2010 08:36 GMT
#262
On December 01 2010 17:25 Brandon33470 wrote:
As well I agree with you Gulati. Like I said I was under a lot of pressure and stress tonight and I made a mistake and did my best to fix it here. I fucked up big time. Yes I accept the actions that will be taken against me and I agree with the way this is being handled. 100% even with the people who are bashing me. They all have very valid points. At this point there is nothign I can do besides fix the bracket like I did and try to move on.


Heh you're not very good at being slick, although I guess you are putting in your best effort. It's pretty clear that Plexa is asking you to address the other allegations of misconduct which you are ignoring by stating that you've been successful in the past, and your attempt at apologetic humility isn't really convincing to anyone. I think in the eyes of the community here, you are guilty until you presume yourself innocent from the complaints. So... can you please go through the allegations if you want to clear your name? Starting with why you would try to remove skullz from your friends list or why you ignored that player who you kicked from the game without explaining your reasoning for its postponement (or even the postponement itself).

Because from a business perspective, you're obviously trying to keep your tournament with as much publicity and views as possible, and being featured on TL is a huge part of that. And as a TL member I would hate to see mishandled tournaments featured and would hesitate to click on tournaments as a whole if they were, which means featuring such a tournament would be a detriment to the site itself.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 08:36 GMT
#263
Most people only go the speed limit if police are around. It doesn't mean they all lose their drivers license. Let's be ready to forgive, and glad that the tournament hasn't ended already.

Locking the post and stating the course of action that Admins are planning to take might be wise.
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:36 GMT
#264
I contacted Lz during the day asking him if he still wanted in because I had a no show advancement last night as Lz missed as well. I was simply there to cover incase of a no show and I believe I mixed the players up when changing the bracket. Like I said I have to talk with the mods as well.

I was stressed out tonight cuz comcast going down, response having to leave early and having a couple no shows.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
December 01 2010 08:37 GMT
#265
On December 01 2010 17:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:00 Broodwich wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:52 MrProphylactic wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:50 gongryong wrote:
adrenaLinG December 01 2010 16:16
On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:
pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


fireflash's lawyer?
but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this.


yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out


MrProphylactic December 01 2010 16:19
On December 01 2010 16:14 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:06 blade55555 wrote:
On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:
Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2

XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327.

and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64


Yes I know Ngry we talk on vent and last night he waited 3 hours for lzgamer but he never showed up so he told the admin and the admin at first said that if he doesn't show he gets the walkover. Ngry talked to him a little later and he did give Ngry the walkover but yeah guess he just decided to switch him out for another for whatever reason.

Hopefully he resolves this or something ^^

So instead of having Ngry play vs LZGamer later on(even though this would be really bad as well but at least almost makes sense), he's going to replace a random player with LZGamer?

Yeah, seems like I fully support closing the tournament thread,banning organizer, unfeaturing etc. This is totally messed up and might be illegal as well, you have his realID so that can be handled as well if it turns out to not be legal.




No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time

EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards .


it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws?



The USA has something called Fair competition laws . They are implied in all money competitions


No, we don't have anything called "Fair competition" laws. That's a non-US term. We have antitrust laws. Please stop, you're sidetracking talking about something you don't really know much about.



LMAO , YOU ARE ABOUT 3 PAGES TOo LATE GENIUS , here try my second post , where I equate fair competition laws to antitrust laws , and by the way collusion and fair competition are a subset of antitrust , get a brain please
You remind me of my 5 year old niece walking into an adult movie way over her head mid-way through , and she pretends she knows what is going on .
The semantic turn you just took is absurdly incorrect , lol , as I ALREADY USED THAT TERM LIKE 3 PAGES BACK .
On a side Note I think a comic could get endless human behavior material at these forum type sites . The type of responses I see here never cease to amaze me . Please do not stop however, if you were to stop this type of nonsensicality , where would I get my daily explosion of sympathetic laughter .


Just stop. One of the two of us has passed the bar and is a corporate lawyer, and actually knows what they are talking about.

You, on the other hand, made rambling arguments that completely missed the point of my critique of your semantics and then hilariously bad mannered me in a way that's liable to get you warned.

So yeah, I'm not going to waste my time discussing this further or sidetrack the thread.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
December 01 2010 08:37 GMT
#266
shit happened. brandon apologized and admitted his mistakes. lesson is learned.
eventhough he hasn't the best personality in my eyes I think he can continue what he was doing, for the sake of esports.
Its grack
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
December 01 2010 08:37 GMT
#267
Jesus christ you guys, leave the guy alone, he probably made the mistake.... it's even fixed now, why does everyone keep bashing him, it's not like he's ripping anyone off of their money or anything

he isn't doing anything wrong at all

and nobody bothered to ask themselves what would brandon gain from deliberately doing all of this..?

I feel people are just trying to stir up drama, not really wanting this situation to be fixed
lostshard
Profile Joined July 2009
United States95 Posts
December 01 2010 08:38 GMT
#268
Lz has earned exalted reputation with Lostshard.
Well its good to hear that the tourney runner responded, however I agree with most not leaving a paper trail as a runner leaves a lot of questions for players and viewers alike. The good that came out of this is that Lz truly is a baller for offering to give up his spot and that Tqskullz helped point out things to avoid if one plans to run a tourney in the future. Also love the TL team for upholding standards ^_^
The Insane
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2010 08:38 GMT
#269
On December 01 2010 17:36 Brandon33470 wrote:
I contacted Lz during the day asking him if he still wanted in because I had a no show advancement last night as Lz missed as well. I was simply there to cover incase of a no show and I believe I mixed the players up when changing the bracket. Like I said I have to talk with the mods as well.

I was stressed out tonight cuz comcast going down, response having to leave early and having a couple no shows.

Be sure to update us with what your mods said (I thought you were running this alone?)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 08:39 GMT
#270
On December 01 2010 17:34 Bobgrimly wrote:
Brandon... to solve all this and stop any undue hate it is very simple. Answer why you ignored a player in your tournament when he was specifically asking about his removal.

Mistakes happen. But trying to gloss over a mistake without a proper explanation will not help people trust you. Answer that question and hopefully everything will be roses again.



If it was a mistake, he might actually not know why he did it. He may not have realized what he was doing. Sometimes I answer my wife and later realize I don't even know what she said: especially while playing Starcraft2...sorry honey
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:39 GMT
#271
I had 2 mods tonight, Zoia in chat and Vansetsu in chat / casting after response left. I have to chekc with Zoia about the chat logs and see exactly what was going on.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
December 01 2010 08:41 GMT
#272
On December 01 2010 17:39 Brandon33470 wrote:
I had 2 mods tonight, Zoia in chat and Vansetsu in chat / casting after response left. I have to chekc with Zoia about the chat logs and see exactly what was going on.


Uh dude, the screenshot of you specifically ignoring your player occurred in the chat of the Starcraft II game client. Something tells me that's not going to appear in your stream chat.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:42:27
December 01 2010 08:41 GMT
#273
On December 01 2010 17:37 Fayth wrote:
I feel people are just trying to stir up drama, not really wanting this situation to be fixed

Somewhat agree at this point. The only relevant people here now are people with legitimate information. Here's what I'm going to do
1) I would like to hear from brandon about the other allegations, once he clarifies this I will..
2) Lock the thread
3) PM skullz about what's gone on and see what he has to say about it, reopening the thread is there is still an issue
4) PM brandon to send me the information once he gets it from his mods, which I will post in this thread as an update
5) If anyone has an relevant information to this please PM me and we can go from there
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#274
On December 01 2010 17:37 bokeevboke wrote:
shit happened. brandon apologized and admitted his mistakes. lesson is learned.
eventhough he hasn't the best personality in my eyes I think he can continue what he was doing, for the sake of esports.


shit happened indeed. the only thing left is to find whether it was really just a innocent mistake or is there more behind it. honestly his way of handling the tournament makes so sense to me whatsoever but that's just my opinion. up to the mods to decide on this one.
qosu.tQ
Profile Joined October 2010
United States32 Posts
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#275
Also, Fireflash, as a reader of the english language I don't exactly see your name on the roster here.

http://teamtq.webs.com/teamtq.htm
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#276
No but TQSkullz was in chat talking with my mods as well during the stream, thats what I am talking about.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Bluetea
Profile Joined August 2010
United States185 Posts
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#277
On December 01 2010 17:27 OwMyGroin wrote:
uhh yeah also you gave incontrol a walkover vs me when i couldnt add him maybe cause his identifier is wrong or something and he also did not contact me and when i messaged you i had got no response.


Yet another allegation needing to be answered. Were you too "stressed"?
All these bitches is my sons.
Artisan
Profile Joined February 2010
United States336 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:44:25
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#278
Guilty or not this could serve as a warning to work better at setting up tournaments or about dropping players. I feel like this thread is beating a dead horse, lets give him the benefit of the doubt as he has hosted multiple tournaments on teamliquid. The issue is fixed for now and perhaps if a similar situation happens again then take action?
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 08:42 GMT
#279
On December 01 2010 17:41 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:37 Fayth wrote:
I feel people are just trying to stir up drama, not really wanting this situation to be fixed

Somewhat agree at this point. The only relevant people here now are people with legitimate information. Here's what I'm going to do
1) I would like to hear from brandon about the other allegations, once he clarifies this I will..
2) Lock the thread
3) PM skullz about what's gone on and see what he has to say about it, reopening the thread is there is still an issue
4) PM brandon to send me the information once he gets it from his mods, which I will post in this thread as an update
5) If anyone has an relevant information to this please PM me and we can go from there


Fair and Wise.
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
December 01 2010 08:43 GMT
#280
TL drama.. Gotta love it.

brb getting some popcorn.
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