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Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:25 GMT
#241
As well I agree with you Gulati. Like I said I was under a lot of pressure and stress tonight and I made a mistake and did my best to fix it here. I fucked up big time. Yes I accept the actions that will be taken against me and I agree with the way this is being handled. 100% even with the people who are bashing me. They all have very valid points. At this point there is nothign I can do besides fix the bracket like I did and try to move on.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
thecarmelizer
Profile Joined April 2010
United States19 Posts
December 01 2010 08:25 GMT
#242
We can speculate about the tournament organizers intentions all we like, but in the end we can't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm reminded of a situation in my life where an employer, after working for them for 6 months, stopped paying me but all the while promised my payment was coming. Naturally I could only take the lies for so long before quitting. After their continued refusal to pay what I was owed I had to hire a lawyer, file paperwork with the state labor people etc etc. only to find that this was not the first time that this company hadn't payed one of their employees. In then end I did get the money I was owed but there were no repurcussions to the company. A man should not have to fight for something that is rightfully theirs. There should be consequences to those that take something of yours willfully or otherwise but the world is what it is. I'm glad to hear the "mistake" was fixed.
Tasty.280
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:28:28
December 01 2010 08:26 GMT
#243
I could've sworn I've seen people like wysley for example, run 128 man tourneys alone? Maybe trying to find pros to replace people and all that money takes up all of Brandon's time?
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
December 01 2010 08:27 GMT
#244
Props to skullz for posting this information. I hope this encourages other players to speak out and not be internet bullied. The TL community has your back!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2010 08:29 GMT
#245
On December 01 2010 17:26 Tasty.280 wrote:
I could've sworn I've seen people like wysley for example, run 128 man tourneys alone? Maybe trying to find pros to replace people and all that money takes up all of Brandon's time?

Cmon there's no need to make posts like these. Mindless speculation isn't good for anyone.
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nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
December 01 2010 08:29 GMT
#246
After reading through a lot of this thread i dont know how it can be written off as a mistake when there is a screenshot of you clearly ignoring the dude?
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:30 GMT
#247
I do that with a lot of players as I am streamign and casting I get thousdands of whispers non stop esp from just random people in the stream.
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Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:30 GMT
#248
I make sure to read and respond when I can.
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
December 01 2010 08:30 GMT
#249
I'm still having a hard time believing that it was a mistake. There are inconsistencies between what Brandon says and what TQSkullz and Lz have said so far pointed out by several posts here.

Also, you are willing to contact Lz for not showing up, yet your response to TQ "not showing up" and asking for an explanation is ignoring him and removing him from your list?
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:32:40
December 01 2010 08:30 GMT
#250
On December 01 2010 17:25 Brandon33470 wrote:
As well I agree with you Gulati. Like I said I was under a lot of pressure and stress tonight and I made a mistake and did my best to fix it here. I fucked up big time. Yes I accept the actions that will be taken against me and I agree with the way this is being handled. 100% even with the people who are bashing me. They all have very valid points. At this point there is nothign I can do besides fix the bracket like I did and try to move on.

You could address the issue of flat-out ignoring OP's inquiries, after (as the screenshot reveals) reading it. Stress or not, if a player is asking you why he got kicked out of a bracket you tell him, or fix the mistake ASAP.
Would he even have been back in the brackets if he never made this thread? Your last posts have said "I ran tournaments, I made a mistake", but not actually anything specific.

I realize you will get a lot of whispers, but that's part of it. No organizer in anything will say "Well, I ignored phone calls and e-mails because there were so many!", it's just not enough. If there is too much to handle maybe you shouldn't be doing it on your own. Organizing an event that you can't run isn't anything to brag about, if anything you should see to it that you have enough manpower to run it in one way or another.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
December 01 2010 08:31 GMT
#251
On December 01 2010 17:25 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:22 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
On December 01 2010 17:15 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2010 17:14 qosu.tQ wrote:
Friend removes everyone in tQ, claims to still be a part of us, and then acts like he didn't remove skullz intentionally.

This really is hilarious.

Sounds like there is more to this story than what brandon is letting on.



Plexa, I'm curious what you expect of Brandon in order to fix this in the eyes of TL? It seems to me that if he fixes his bracket he should at least be allowed to continue on probation. Obviously we will all be watching him closely. I accept Brandon's apology, does skulls? Thank you LZ for being an awesome pro.

I just see Brandon posting about running successful tournaments and saying people have been restored to the bracket - that doesn't magically fix the situation. There are multiple issues to be addressed here (him supposedly removing everyone from tq from his friends list, other accusations of poor player treatment etc) and further I am interested to see what skullz has to say. To clarify, his event is still listed on the calendar and I haven't taken any action yet. I simply believe there is more to this story that what's been said and I'm not just going to close it because Brandon replied.


Plexa,
I completely agree. Thanks for the clarification. Hopefully we will all hear from skullz and TQ. I did also hear him apologize, say that it is his fault, and that he will fix it. Anyhow, I'm going to nap till GSL, you're awesome Plexa.
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:32 GMT
#252
Honestly I am done. I will let the mods / admins here at TL take whatever actions they must. I fixed the issue that was announced and all I can say is I will make a better effort in running the tournament properly. I am sorry to everyone in the starcraft 2 community for this.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
December 01 2010 08:32 GMT
#253
Zerothegreat December 01 2010 17:21
I think everything has come to light of the situation and the thread might derail into a bash on the tournament host (not that he doesn't deserve it) but it might be best to lock/close the thread now.


agree.
1. close thread
2. admin organize some sort of inquiry involving the right people into the snafu (if only to determine whether the it deserves a feature on TL)
3. admin (or someone) mediate a discussion between skullz, lz, and brandon to sort out what to do (if it still matters)

all other posts are irrelevant.
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 01 2010 08:32 GMT
#254
So instead of telling him "hey wait ill talk to you soon" you lead him on to think hes going to play. I don't think this was a mistake. Why lead him on ? That was just mean.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
December 01 2010 08:32 GMT
#255
Yeah I smell a lot of domesticated male Oxen dung in the area . But at least it is getting repaired after the fact . Still makes one wonder if anything would have been done if the community didn't throw such a stink .
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
SkCom
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada229 Posts
December 01 2010 08:33 GMT
#256
On December 01 2010 17:30 Sein wrote:
I'm still having a hard time believing that it was a mistake. There are inconsistencies between what Brandon says and what TQSkullz and Lz have said so far pointed out by several posts here.

Also, you are willing to contact Lz for not showing up, yet your response to TQ "not showing up" and asking for an explanation is ignoring him and removing him from your list?


exactly
this whole thing really isn't making much sense
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
December 01 2010 08:33 GMT
#257
TL is here to help; I am quite certain you will be able to find an array of candidates begging to help moderate tournaments for you. Trust is a hard thing to find online (as evident by the problems going on in this thread), but it's always best to hedge your exposure by incorporating more administrators to run a tournament, because there is far higher minutia of detail with respect to accountability for actions, whereas with one person in charge, you can't kick him, because... then you kick out 64 other people competing for a prize pool.

To TL: I don't think it's fair to bash Brandon to the ground because of this incident, however I also don't think that he should be given a slap on the wrist and let free. The best way to handle this situation from my standpoint is to incorporate a staff to manage your tournaments, and to reply to Plexa's requested information.

In my eyes, doing the above-stated actions will exonerate you from anything I can think of.
C r u m b l i n g
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:33 GMT
#258
On December 01 2010 17:32 PanN wrote:
So instead of telling him "hey wait ill talk to you soon" you lead him on to think hes going to play. I don't think this was a mistake. Why lead him on ? That was just mean.



Because he was in the bracket. I have to talk with my mods and see what exactly happen. He was in the bracket when we started.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
December 01 2010 08:34 GMT
#259
On December 01 2010 17:25 thecarmelizer wrote:
We can speculate about the tournament organizers intentions all we like, but in the end we can't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm reminded of a situation in my life where an employer, after working for them for 6 months, stopped paying me but all the while promised my payment was coming. Naturally I could only take the lies for so long before quitting. After their continued refusal to pay what I was owed I had to hire a lawyer, file paperwork with the state labor people etc etc. only to find that this was not the first time that this company hadn't payed one of their employees. In then end I did get the money I was owed but there were no repurcussions to the company. A man should not have to fight for something that is rightfully theirs. There should be consequences to those that take something of yours willfully or otherwise but the world is what it is. I'm glad to hear the "mistake" was fixed.



Doesn't have to be beyond resonance doubt in a civil case, only preponderance of truth hehehehe
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2010 08:34 GMT
#260
On December 01 2010 17:32 PanN wrote:
So instead of telling him "hey wait ill talk to you soon" you lead him on to think hes going to play. I don't think this was a mistake. Why lead him on ? That was just mean.

How much effort did you exactly put in before switching LZ in? Did you even try to see what the deal is with a no-show in an invite tournament?
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