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MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
December 01 2010 08:43 GMT
#281
Kind of makes one wonder if a pattern emerges from all the no shows , being the same poeple that were ignored frequently
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:44 GMT
#282
InControL was trying to contact him a week before the actual start date, to play. InControL could not play the night of the Round of 64 so I told him to play the week before and informed OwmyGroin. InControL said he tried day after day to get ahold of him and he wouldnt respond/wasn't on. Follow up with InControL if you would like.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2010 08:44 GMT
#283
On December 01 2010 17:42 Bluetea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:27 OwMyGroin wrote:
uhh yeah also you gave incontrol a walkover vs me when i couldnt add him maybe cause his identifier is wrong or something and he also did not contact me and when i messaged you i had got no response.


Yet another allegation needing to be answered. Were you too "stressed"?

On December 01 2010 14:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 10:52 UnholyRai wrote:
incontrol forfeitted?


I guess. Gf's grandfather was dying in the hospital and they didn't reach out to me at all so they just w/o'd me.

lol

Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:46 GMT
#284
InControL was not on tonight for his matchup so yes, I advanced without him. Didn't show up till almost 11:30 PM Eastern. Didn't leave a message on my facebook which he has or anything. I had to conclude it as a no show.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
December 01 2010 08:46 GMT
#285
One thing bothering me though Brandon

Why did you remove tqskullz from your friendlist? and if it was during the tournament, no idea how you could find the time to do that considering how stressed out you were
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:48:03
December 01 2010 08:47 GMT
#286
I still would like to hear about
1) the tQ stuff (removing people from your FL etc)
2) Ignoring other players

I mean the fact you were stressed and ignoring players I can understand, but why remove him from your FL? That I don't get.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:47 GMT
#287
It was after the tournament round was over, I take the players who are not in the bracket and remove them because I am at my Real ID Friends List Limit.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
December 01 2010 08:48 GMT
#288
I would simply call for better treatment of participants in tourneys from now on. It is ridiculous for me to sit there and think that I'm annoying Brandon or something when I have no choice but to message him to ask why in the world I'm not in the bracket.

as for the tournament, I am not interested in this particular tournament anymore because I did get brushed off by Brandon in a very rude manner. The ro32 was over and after it was over I asked why I got removed and his response was to remove me from his real ID friends with no explanations given to anything. On top of that he mislead me into thinking I would still be playing which is just even more disrespectful and then ignores me completely after its all over. Sorry but that's DISRESPECT to other people and their time.

Also, it's a good idea to let some wild card players into the invitational tournaments. Not being known doesn't make them a poor player. Unknown skill needs opportunity. This closed circuit stuff is frustrating for a lot of players.
Liquid crystal display everyday.
sup3rchan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada127 Posts
December 01 2010 08:52 GMT
#289
I think you guys should give him a break.
Yeah he fucked up, but everyones human and obviously he has proven to have the dedication for success in previous events. So he's doing the best he can to remedy the situation - what do you guys want from him? Skullz, I feel for you man and I would be really pissed if that happened to me. But what you originally asked for and wanted was just for things to get back to what they were supposed to, and you got it. Does he really need to beg and grovel at TL's feet asking for forgiveness? I think us as a starcraft community should be more forgiving - and this attitude would encourage others to run their own tournaments and promote the esports community.

This is just my two cents, I don't know either guy, but this is honestly what I feel after reading (okay, im on page 12/15) this thread. Cheers
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:52 GMT
#290
Honestly Skullz I am sorry. I really mean that. I mean't no disrespect to you and I am very sorry for wasting your time tonight because of my mental error / mistake. I also apologize to the entire Team Liquid staff for the frustration in this topic. I am very honored to be a featured tournament here at Team Liquid and I will do whatever it takes to fix my image/ prove myself to the members here at TL that I will change.
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
Hasire
Profile Joined February 2010
United States125 Posts
December 01 2010 08:53 GMT
#291
On December 01 2010 17:52 Brandon33470 wrote:
Honestly Skullz I am sorry. I really mean that. I mean't no disrespect to you and I am very sorry for wasting your time tonight because of my mental error / mistake. I also apologize to the entire Team Liquid staff for the frustration in this topic. I am very honored to be a featured tournament here at Team Liquid and I will do whatever it takes to fix my image/ prove myself to the members here at TL that I will change.


The issue I am seeing is that you are only talking about one of SEVERAL problems being brought up, over and over.

We get it, you removed him by "mistake". We get it, you were "stressed".

Now answer the remaining questions to "do whatever it takes to fix your image".
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:56 GMT
#292
I still would like to hear about
1) the tQ stuff (removing people from your FL etc) - Tournament players who are no longer on the bracket I remove from my Real ID to free up space for futrue tournaments and events - I am currently at the max pretty much.

2) Ignoring other players - I only really ignore players while I am casting / live streamign a match I find it rude to the viewers as well to be chatting and missing events going on in the real game, hense why I set myself to "busy"
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
December 01 2010 08:56 GMT
#293
On December 01 2010 17:47 Brandon33470 wrote:
It was after the tournament round was over, I take the players who are not in the bracket and remove them because I am at my Real ID Friends List Limit.

No offense at all, but I highly doubt that. Reason being:
You have me on your RealID, I did not play in this tournament and have never played in your tournaments. We were RealID when you became one of the managers for our team, as you were RealID with sKuLLz, DanTe, ox since we are all on the same team. You didn't add skullz to play in the tournament, you guys were RealID friends long before that.

I know that you have removed sKuLLz and ox from your list, have you removed any others from tQ?

We watched you ignore skullz on Bnet as you were casting. Once he called you out for ignoring him (I can see you ignoring me on your stream) you replied that he was still in the tournament, and proceeded to ignore him until you stopped casting. At that point, you removed him with your friends list without ever answering him.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 08:58:12
December 01 2010 08:57 GMT
#294
I would also like to know why there are logs indicated you moved Skullz through the tournament as a W.O victory and then replaced him with LZgamer? Something just doesn't add up here. The post above mind also makes me suspicious of your actions.
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faction123
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Belgium949 Posts
December 01 2010 08:57 GMT
#295
brandons posts are pretty much total bullshit and I really hope people don't actually believe a word he's saying. yep, you ignored someone for hours and replaced them with a more well-known player then removed them from your friends list, but you can explain it all!!!

laughable
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
December 01 2010 08:59 GMT
#296
Brandon, your apology is appreciated. I'm sorry it had to come to this to get this ironed out and I'm not like "oh it's all about me!" kind of guy. I thought it was a really nice gesture to invite me and I hope to participate other tournaments.

LZGamer may continue in the tournament. I appreciate LZ's reply to the situation as well. I'd appreciate a spot in one of the next tourneys instead.
Liquid crystal display everyday.
Hasire
Profile Joined February 2010
United States125 Posts
December 01 2010 08:59 GMT
#297
On December 01 2010 17:56 Brandon33470 wrote:
I still would like to hear about
1) the tQ stuff (removing people from your FL etc) - Tournament players who are no longer on the bracket I remove from my Real ID to free up space for futrue tournaments and events - I am currently at the max pretty much.


From the sounds of things, you have a deeper connection to the tQ members than just a tourny. In fact, you (apparently) removed skullz as he was messaging you about being in the tourny still.

2) Ignoring other players - I only really ignore players while I am casting / live streamign a match I find it rude to the viewers as well to be chatting and missing events going on in the real game, hense why I set myself to "busy"


There is already a SS of you closing a PM window from Skullz on the menu screen, not in game, so you're dodging the question again.

If you can't run your tourney while streaming, you shouldn't be streaming.
Brandon33470
Profile Joined October 2010
United States200 Posts
December 01 2010 08:59 GMT
#298
LzGamer was supposed to take the spot for Kyhol not TQSkullz and I put them in the wrong spot and then Zelniq ended up going to play ROOTCatz but forfeited because Kyhol was not on. The whole thing got mixed up
Everything I do... I do it BIG! http://www.justin.tv/FireFlashTV
sc2lime
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada513 Posts
December 01 2010 09:00 GMT
#299
On December 01 2010 17:56 Brandon33470 wrote:
I still would like to hear about
1) the tQ stuff (removing people from your FL etc) - Tournament players who are no longer on the bracket I remove from my Real ID to free up space for futrue tournaments and events - I am currently at the max pretty much.

2) Ignoring other players - I only really ignore players while I am casting / live streamign a match I find it rude to the viewers as well to be chatting and missing events going on in the real game, hense why I set myself to "busy"

I thought you said he was still in the bracket? Plus, when you saw his message about whether or not he is still in the tourny (then proceeded to close the chat box), it was during a brief break and not during a game being played.
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 09:09:23
December 01 2010 09:01 GMT
#300
On December 01 2010 17:37 Broodwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 17:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
On December 01 2010 17:00 Broodwich wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:52 MrProphylactic wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:50 gongryong wrote:
adrenaLinG December 01 2010 16:16
On December 01 2010 16:11 gongryong wrote:
pi_rate_pir_ate December 01 2010 16:05
Plexa, he might not be on until Thursday. He said he was spending tomorrow with his fiancee. Seems fair to give him at least until then to respond.

I hope somehow this isn't true because I enjoy the tournament, but I don't really want to watch tournaments that drop people. It is definitely a legal issue when money is on the line. Anytime prize money is offered the people offering it are responsible to their government's laws about honest and fair practices.


fireflash's lawyer?
but to be fair to him also, give him reasonable time to respond to this.


yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out


MrProphylactic December 01 2010 16:19
On December 01 2010 16:14 Shikyo wrote:
On December 01 2010 16:06 blade55555 wrote:
On December 01 2010 15:59 inf3rnus wrote:
Found this in the logs in http://challonge.com/XBLStarcraft2

XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for NGry.791 over EGLzGamer.327.

and the brackets say NGry's opponent was a no show in r64


Yes I know Ngry we talk on vent and last night he waited 3 hours for lzgamer but he never showed up so he told the admin and the admin at first said that if he doesn't show he gets the walkover. Ngry talked to him a little later and he did give Ngry the walkover but yeah guess he just decided to switch him out for another for whatever reason.

Hopefully he resolves this or something ^^

So instead of having Ngry play vs LZGamer later on(even though this would be really bad as well but at least almost makes sense), he's going to replace a random player with LZGamer?

Yeah, seems like I fully support closing the tournament thread,banning organizer, unfeaturing etc. This is totally messed up and might be illegal as well, you have his realID so that can be handled as well if it turns out to not be legal.




No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time

EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards .


it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws?



The USA has something called Fair competition laws . They are implied in all money competitions


No, we don't have anything called "Fair competition" laws. That's a non-US term. We have antitrust laws. Please stop, you're sidetracking talking about something you don't really know much about.



LMAO , YOU ARE ABOUT 3 PAGES TOo LATE GENIUS , here try my second post , where I equate fair competition laws to antitrust laws , and by the way collusion and fair competition are a subset of antitrust , get a brain please
You remind me of my 5 year old niece walking into an adult movie way over her head mid-way through , and she pretends she knows what is going on .
The semantic turn you just took is absurdly incorrect , lol , as I ALREADY USED THAT TERM LIKE 3 PAGES BACK .
On a side Note I think a comic could get endless human behavior material at these forum type sites . The type of responses I see here never cease to amaze me . Please do not stop however, if you were to stop this type of nonsensicality , where would I get my daily explosion of sympathetic laughter .


Just stop. One of the two of us has passed the bar and is a corporate lawyer, and actually knows what they are talking about.

You, on the other hand, made rambling arguments that completely missed the point of my critique of your semantics and then hilariously bad mannered me in a way that's liable to get you warned.

So yeah, I'm not going to waste my time discussing this further or sidetrack the thread.



Just stop what correcting your ridiculous posts , not as long as you continue to make
them . I guess since the last post you made has been clearly shown to have absolutely no relevance to anything I said in the post history , I guess you will invariably move to ,well poisoning and academic measuring to prove your point now , since logic has clearly failed you .
At this point I might expect someone with at least marginal social skills, and no limited ego-mania issues coupled with a comical splash of insecurity to apologize followed by some humorous non sequitur.
With you however we just get the non sequitur without the humor .


I will spell it out for you since you seem to be a little slow today .


1. you criticize me for my terminology , or lack there of
2. I used the very terminology in a previous post , thus your post is irrelevant , you were working from an incomplete post history .
3 . have I made the previous two points too complected for you to understand , becuase I will keep restating them over and over until you address them if you respond as if you are still correct in your criticism being anything other than semantics ( in which I preemptively have used in correct form to your criticism , really you dont have an argumentative leg to stand on , do yourself a favor , and the forum , just retreat to your cave )
My points here are quite simple and no amount of educational measurement , will erase your mistake


at this point you might want to just say you were wrong , becuase I dont care how many degrees you have , it doesn't change the fact you made a mistake , and it is in the post history , I can re-post the very part I state it is called antitrust in the USA many pages before your criticism .
NOW DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING EVEN MARGINALLY RELEVANT TO ADD . OR MORE APPEALS TO IGNORANCE IS ABOUT ALL i CAN EXPECT

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