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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Broodwich
United States393 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:19 MrProphylactic wrote: No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards . FYI, this isn't close to accurate. This isn't really collusion. The poker site issue is when people play together. Brandon's not doing this to make Lz gamer win. He's not doing this for a slice of the winnings, and his motive in keeping Lz isn't to upset competitive balance, it's to draw viewers. Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to quash the baseless legal speculation. Everyone else is already covered it, 99% sure he's hosed and if so I've been very impressed with your response Plexa. Nice to see you quickly stand up for the guy here. | ||
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achacttn
Australia82 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:41 FinestHour wrote: Will the ro16 have to be cancelled on thursday if he does not replay back? it just wont be featured by TL, thats all. the tournament will still take place, probably. | ||
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MrProphylactic
296 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:42 Broodwich wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 16:19 MrProphylactic wrote: No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards . FYI, this isn't close to accurate. This isn't really collusion. The poker site issue is when people play together. Brandon's not doing this to make Lz gamer win. He's not doing this for a slice of the winnings, and his motive in keeping Lz isn't to upset competitive balance, it's to draw viewers. Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to quash the baseless legal speculation. Everyone else is already covered it, 99% sure he's hosed and if so I've been very impressed with your response Plexa. Nice to see you quickly stand up for the guy here. FYI It is 100 percent correct , as I said it violated fair competition laws , then proceeded to state in which collusion is the more known subset member used by poker sites . Here is a tip , You may try to understand something before you disagree with it . Yes collusion is a form of fair competition laws . nothing I stated was incorrect , please demonstrate if it is . lol your speculation as to what the English words I used in the specific sequence, and their meaning is way off ; speaking of speculation . Now back up reread my post . then reread your response , and try to find where I say all forms of fair competition are forms of collusion .Or where I imply this was collsu8ion , or where I imply they are mutally exclusive or inclusive . Fail big-time . I can see you are trying to put words in my mouth . Try again , unlike you I have this bad habit of preferring to understanding something before I choose to disagree with it .I know I dont fit in real well here as a result . On a side note the motives do not have to be singular for it to be collusion . Lz gamer can merely going for money , where Brandon is trying to attract more popular people , both have to be aware they are violating fair competition however . ( that is irrelevant however to my first point as I stated it violated fair competition , and merely added as a side note collusion is the more known member of this set of definitions . but the fact of the matter is . it DOES a violate fair competition laws . And I never said this would fit the poker sites form of collusion , you very unskillfully took what I said out of context . I merely said it falls under fair competition laws , just as this does . lmao some people like to argue so much , they look for them where they do not even exist . too funny | ||
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Ajunta
Germany522 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:23 JoeSchmoe wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/OKHUw.jpg) From the stream. Hoping for a explanation.. =/ this is the nail in the coffin! I just love the sense of justice on TL. :D "Let the unjust be punished for we shall not tolerate the weak-minded" | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:42 Broodwich wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 16:19 MrProphylactic wrote: No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards . FYI, this isn't close to accurate. This isn't really collusion. The poker site issue is when people play together. Brandon's not doing this to make Lz gamer win. He's not doing this for a slice of the winnings, and his motive in keeping Lz isn't to upset competitive balance, it's to draw viewers. Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to quash the baseless legal speculation. Everyone else is already covered it, 99% sure he's hosed and if so I've been very impressed with your response Plexa. Nice to see you quickly stand up for the guy here. You sound like someone skilled at the art of lawyering. Can you tell us a bit about the impending hate crime prosecution because of his insensitive racial comments and how it will relate and affect the civil suit? | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
To be fair, I want to hear the other side of the story before I boycott or have any personal opinions. I feel everyone should also be doing the same. Big Props to Plexa for taking something like this seriously, I'm curious to see what Brandon's explanations are. Sorry to hear it sKuLLz. | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:41 dopesauce wrote: Besides reading the thread didn't anyone actually watch the stream? I spent a good hour of torture trying to watch my favorite NA players being unprofessionally cast throughout the entire night. I had enough and turned off the stream for state of the game/HuK. There was no synergy amongst casters and the fact that they kept overlapping and interrupting each other was annoying. Then he goes on a rant about how he is doing it for the love of the game and refusing donations but then asks for them? I am sure running a tournament is an enormous headache, but even watching this one being cast was an absolute travesty and there should be no reason as to why it is on featured team liquid. Its crazy how many top players were training all day for this tournament and how poorly it was ran from organization to the actual live stream of matches. I watched a lot of the stream. It wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either. Do we need to flame him for that here? If you have a general complaint about his streaming post it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171449 Hopefully this is all untrue and he will improve as a streamer to the benefit of us all. If it is true hopefully he will own up, make things right, and TL will forgive him and we can all move on. | ||
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Broodwich
United States393 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:45 adrenaLinG wrote: You sound like someone skilled at the art of lawyering. Can you tell us a bit about the impending hate crime prosecution because of his insensitive racial comments and how it will relate and affect the civil suit? 100% guilty. They'll take all his moneys. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:45 FinestHour wrote: I just noticed he posted his facebook in the original tournament thread...hohoho Why does that even remotely matter? | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Edit: TL is waiting for response from XBLGaming tournament before taking any action. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
I happened to notice he was a fine looking fellow, thats all. | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
adrenaLinG December 01 2010 16:16 yes but we must sue him before the statute of limitations runs out MrProphylactic December 01 2010 16:19 No might about it , it is illegal . It is called fair competition : or otherwise known as collusion , poker sites deal with these types of laws all the time EDIT . IF this was legal , tourney directors could sell seats for a percentage of winnings , and just boot out poeple , by waiting to sell them as the tournament gets later in field , they can charge a higher percentage etc. this is just an example of where one could take this type of collusion . One could narrow brackets as they saw fit to give the players they are "invested in " more of winning chances . Basically tournaments such as these are supposed to be based on the accepted standards of fair competition laws , and this most assuredly does not conform to those standards . it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws? | ||
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Broodwich
United States393 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:48 bokeevboke wrote: Why $500 XBLGaming tournament is still on upcoming events? Why TL is still supporting those douchebags? Read the thread yo. They're giving the tournament a chance to respond before acting. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
Odds are that he has seen this thread if he visited his own. | ||
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Brandon33470
United States200 Posts
I am sorry about the delayed response tonight TQSkullz as I was very very busy tonight. | ||
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MrProphylactic
296 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:50 gongryong wrote: it depends. OP did you have some sort of contract or did they send you tournament by-laws? The USA has something called Fair competition laws . They are implied in all money competitions otherwise known as antitrust laws in the USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law and for those who doubt collusion is a from of antitrust laws , ( This is for the person r that seems to think collusion is not fair competition laws from what I could gather from his response , well he wasn't real clear as he took everything I tried to say out of context , but here you , heres a simple wiki link , gives a brief history on antitrust concepts go educate yourself ... | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
So i just wanna say I'm sorry this happend.. I will gladly Give you my spot which is actually your's in the first place. If you so wish  -Jacob LzGaMeR Winstead~ | ||
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