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On December 01 2010 15:19 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:16 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Professionalism is a requirement for running a tourney, even if youre overwhelmed, hes WATCHING A GAME, not playing it.
Its REALLY easy to respond (even when livecasting)... This. Although you shouldn't be chatting while watching a game, at least get a co-host so you can watch and they can reply to people. I play in pretty small tournaments ($25 prize), and they have like 2 mods per division, which helps out a lot. But, really, you shouldn't be overwhelmed if you decide to run a tournament, ESPECIALLY if you've run one before.
i watched his tournament for a while
he had co-hosts the entire time i was watching
(response and Vansetsu[the guy the OP says was added to the brackets])
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On December 01 2010 15:16 gurrpp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
Its still a dick move to basically ignore someone, mislead them/not inform them as to whether they are still going to have to play a game--wasting their time, and then not so much as apologize, removing a guy from your real id list and ignoring him.
exactly , I agree 100 percent . ( granted the OP is correct , which it sounds like it is so ) , giving the organizer the benefit of the doubt initially is not a problem for me .
However, if the OP is correct , proceeding to string him along , then ignore him after stringing him along , and removing him from your friends list , becuase even THAT was too much work ; well that is just absurd.
Here is an outlandish idea . I know its radical ,but bare with me guys . DO NOT try to do an unfeasible amount of work at once to the point of it radically-interfering with the way you treat the participants , and if you do mistreat someone , an apology is always an option , just a thought .
EDIT: ( It seems he decided the inertia was already moving in that direction, so may as well be as freaking rude as possible , way to be consistent bro )
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The fact that he very recently edited his thread means he is aware of this thread, and choosing not to respond.
(Plexa pmed him, so if he was on here to edit, he received the PM)
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Because theres no good explanation he could possibly give
im voting for a ban from tl
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On December 01 2010 15:25 DiracMonopole wrote:
The fact that he very recently edited his thread means he is aware of this thread, and choosing not to respond.
(Plexa pmed him, so if he was on here to edit, he received the PM)
Last edit was 13:20, this thread was created at 14:00. And he's still on the TL.net list.
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My bad, I was confused by the posts talking about how Tqskullz wasnt listed - I assumed it was on the thread here where he wasnt listed(where is is in fact still listed) and therefore the thread must have been edited.
Serves me right for not checking for the edit myself.
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I thought it suspicious that he hadn't responded in 5 pages until I realized that this thread was only made an hour and a half ago. Hold your horses and see if he responds, kids.
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Honestly, you guys are demanding a very prompt response. It could take awhile for him to even become aware of this thread and stuff.
I'm curious to see the outcome though, get me some snacks while I watch this thread.
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I just find it funny that he hasn't posted yet. Just be mannered and at least respond to the kid. You took the responsibility to run the tournament - run the tournament. I hope this gets fixed.
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Well, his next scheduled stream is in just a few hours, so he doens't have very long to figure out what he is going to try and say.
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On December 01 2010 15:12 Plexa wrote:
I'm not going to do anything until I see a statement, I've sent him a PM requesting one. If he doesn't respond then it's probably best to defeature his tournament until he does, and if the allegations are true then I don't think it's right for him to have his tournament featured on TL ever.
Agreed. This is a very professional way of handling this.
Although, there's a great chance that the host will just respond: oh i messed up, forgot this, forgot that. totally wrong on my part. will make sure not to let that happen again ... which I think is complete BS.
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Damn, seems like a really bad situation. Hopefully we hear a statement soon. If not, bring out the ban hammer.
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On December 01 2010 15:12 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 14:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
My best guess is that they made a mistake somewhere, accepted more people into the tournament than can hold, and had trouble resolving it. Running a tournament is not an easy task. It requires far more multitasking than sc2, and when you have too many things to deal with, sometimes you may be forced to ignore people. I don't think they were deliberately trying to be unprofessional, they probably just had poor planning combined with unanticipated complications. When this happens, the best thing you can do is to be as cooperative as you can. If that means that you no longer have a spot in the tournament, then you have to accept it. Even though you don't get the tournament experience that you came for, do your best to make sure that everyone else in the tournament does. Ray, I know you personally and respect you but your analysis of the situation is completely off-base. I have run tournaments and it's not as difficult as some people make it out to be, Challonge pretty much takes care of the work for you. Your attitude of "suck it up" may be appropriate if it was an online weekly tourney with no prize, but an invite-only tournament when the organizer personally invites you, gives you a bye when your opponent doesn't show, and then replaces you is a completely different matter.
another very well thought out post . this logic is undeniable ,and I agree wholeheartedly . If you cant do the work , dont have the tournament , or get more help , it is real simple .An open tournament for a mouse-pad is one thing , but a tournament you were invited to with 5 bills on the line , and several hours of YOUR time waiting for nothing more than to be rudely blown off , is completely unreasonable to be profusely- euphemistic .
Given the fact he showed no remorse , offered no apology , and intentionally ignored the issue after wards is beyond fail . Well I hope you do not want this to be standard practice in an invite only tourney to put it simply . The industry is already designed to prop up those with names , and make it easier for them to make money at e-sports , without having poeple sabotage unknowns chances to get known
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened.
What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a scam appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the scammer to find more victims?
Edit: My apologize for the inappropriate tone.
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On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims?
Little extreme comparison, this isn't nearly the same as a rape scenario.
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On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
Doing something like this would make it not a tourney but paying for publicity. Tournaments have rules, rosters, and stick to them. Paying for publicity means you have money and you do whatever you can to get people to know you/your product using your money. Throwing some guy out for someone more famous means you're using your money to just try and get whoever is more famous on your stream for more viewers. Call it a showmatch if you will, or a series of showmatches, but that's definitely not a tournament.
I hope all of this ends up not being true but he sure has a lot of damning evidence to explain away.
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On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims?
Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape?
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On December 01 2010 15:06 travis wrote:
What an asshole, I'll be sure to never watch that stream again.
Unless adequate explanation is given it would actually please me greatly to see this guy banned from tl.net. This is much worse than some shitty posting.
(I tend to believe everything the OP says just based on how well he explained himself)
This right here , which I kinda eluded to with an earlier post .
I personally have been banned for grammar issues alone , or being somewhat rude to a worshiped member . Yet this somehow is ok .
Someone try to make sense of that
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On December 01 2010 15:46 10fps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape?
Often extreme examples are used to denote what actually happened... but I think that's a bit too far as well : P that said, I am curious about what mr. FireFlash has to say about this.
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On December 01 2010 15:46 10fps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:41 furymonkey wrote:On December 01 2010 15:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.
I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney. Sure, you can always be a douche if you have the money. I glad the OP spoke out, from the information in this thread it seems this wasn't the first time it happened. What we merely trying to do is to confirm and warn other people in the community, if what OP said was true. This is same as what you would normally do when a rapist appeared, unless you prefer the victim to suck it up and let the rapist to find more victims? Did you...did....did you just compare being booted unfairly out of a 500$ SC2 tournament with....with rape?
yeah... Godwin's Rape Law? Just saying, you might have gone a little too far with that. We get your point though, but watch it a bit since there's a line you may have crossed for some people. Rape has some bad connotations that I don't think we need to pull into this. It doesn't seem like you were trying to incite hate or anything fierce of that sort, so I think you may want to tone it down a bit  .
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