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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
December 01 2010 05:52 GMT
#41
My best guess is that they made a mistake somewhere, accepted more people into the tournament than can hold, and had trouble resolving it. Running a tournament is not an easy task. It requires far more multitasking than sc2, and when you have too many things to deal with, sometimes you may be forced to ignore people. I don't think they were deliberately trying to be unprofessional, they probably just had poor planning combined with unanticipated complications. When this happens, the best thing you can do is to be as cooperative as you can. If that means that you no longer have a spot in the tournament, then you have to accept it. Even though you don't get the tournament experience that you came for, do your best to make sure that everyone else in the tournament does.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 01 2010 05:53 GMT
#42
On December 01 2010 14:51 skYfiVe wrote:
From what I saw watching the stream earlier, i did see Brandon delete multiple Real ID friends mid tournament, and simply exiting chat conversations without responding or hardly looking at them.

Whether he actually meant for this to happen, had too much on his hand or whatever, just PLEASE if YOU are running a tournament, YOU need to run that tournament and NOT be the caster/streamer at the same time. ESPECIALLY when players have to wait around 2/3 hours just to play their game. This is absurd if you think this is how you run a tournament.

Whatever the outcome of this, just take the above advice please... it will allow for tournaments to run far smoother.


Yeah I saw that too. There were people msg'ing him asking him a question about opponents or something but he exited the convo instead of answering :S
When I think of something else, something will go here
Cha1R
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
December 01 2010 05:53 GMT
#43
thats so shitty. god i hate fireflash now. total disrespect.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
December 01 2010 05:54 GMT
#44
On December 01 2010 14:24 Plexa wrote:
Yeah replacing players mid tournament is very unprofessional. I would like to hear a statement about this. If we don't hear some explanations I don't think it's right for this tournament to be featured on TL any longer.



Hell yeah. I agree completely with this. And love seeing TL stand up against this kind-o-shit.

Sorry bro about hearing that. Dont get too caught up in it and make sure to keep your head up!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
December 01 2010 05:57 GMT
#45
Now I know that tensions are pretty high right now, but lets wait and see FireFlash's response. There might be another side.

However, if he did remove TQskullz for a bigger name, that's totally unacceptable, elitist, and extremely dishonest of him.
klmklm17
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada85 Posts
December 01 2010 05:58 GMT
#46
that is really tough for you man. I know as a tourney organizer that it is almost impossible to do everything BUT that does not excuse this sort of behaviour. If this is really how it went down, there is some serious problems with the organizers and they really need to look at how they are going about this
the extent of all evil is the limit of all good
Ashera
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada202 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#47
I hope this get's disputed! You deserve to be in that tournament, it's unfair that you would get kicked out to 'accommodate' for another player.
Viva la Vida
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#48
To be honest I wish Teamliquid had a "tournament guideline" that people tournament hosts must adhere to in order to be featured on the tournament page. Or even be able to advertise it on the TL forums.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
December 01 2010 05:59 GMT
#49
On December 01 2010 14:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
My best guess is that they made a mistake somewhere, accepted more people into the tournament than can hold, and had trouble resolving it. Running a tournament is not an easy task. It requires far more multitasking than sc2, and when you have too many things to deal with, sometimes you may be forced to ignore people. I don't think they were deliberately trying to be unprofessional, they probably just had poor planning combined with unanticipated complications. When this happens, the best thing you can do is to be as cooperative as you can. If that means that you no longer have a spot in the tournament, then you have to accept it. Even though you don't get the tournament experience that you came for, do your best to make sure that everyone else in the tournament does.


Did you fully read the post?? It wasn't some random tournament, this was an "invitational tourny for money". Also, he was very cooperative as he said and other witnesses confirmed this through the stream. The bracket was already made and there is no changing it past the first round far as I'm concerned.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
December 01 2010 06:00 GMT
#50
Bad move by Brandon, Sorry to hear it but you're probably not going to get a statement. He saw EG and I guess figured you didn't show along with Kizu and you were replaced. Obviously this wasn't the case. But he felt like ignoring the matter. Clearly he needs help running the tournament so it can stay organized.
donut boi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States154 Posts
December 01 2010 06:02 GMT
#51
how exactly was my post poor... is it cuz i dont capitalize the first word of my sentences? just to save milliseconds? srsly that came from the heart, u cant prohibit true emotion... grammar nazis these days...

User was temp banned for this post.
donut the bronut
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 06:03:24
December 01 2010 06:02 GMT
#52
The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:

Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.


hot fuh days
Psiven
Profile Joined May 2010
United States148 Posts
December 01 2010 06:04 GMT
#53
On December 01 2010 14:59 adrenaLinG wrote:
To be honest I wish Teamliquid had a "tournament guideline" that people tournament hosts must adhere to in order to be featured on the tournament page. Or even be able to advertise it on the TL forums.


Not all guidelines need to be written down, honestly. Common sense dictates that if you run your tournament poorly, the community will shit all over it and you won't be featured for long.
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
December 01 2010 06:04 GMT
#54
There are 6 hours of Ro64 VODs posted on the tournament's TL forum post page. Perhaps there is a moment where the messages pop up somewhere? I have no personal desire to dig through them all.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 01 2010 06:06 GMT
#55
What an asshole, I'll be sure to never watch that stream again.

Unless adequate explanation is given it would actually please me greatly to see this guy banned from tl.net. This is much worse than some shitty posting.

(I tend to believe everything the OP says just based on how well he explained himself)
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 01 2010 06:07 GMT
#56
Im sorry to hear this happened to you OP, hopefully everything can be resolved.

Just be positive keep your head up and keep going, really is horrible something like this would happen though.
fdsdfg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1251 Posts
December 01 2010 06:07 GMT
#57
In the fighting game scene I remember some players would host a tournament while competing in it. Similar to hosting a tournament while casting, it just plain doesn't work at all. People will have questions and they'll have to wait for you to finish. It makes for a very unprofessional tournament. You just need to get someone to help you run it.

It sounds like that's what happened here. He just wanted to get through the round without pausing to deal with everything because he was needed to cast every match. This should have been avoided.
aka Siyko
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 01 2010 06:08 GMT
#58
It would've been nice to have some screenshots for concrete evidence, but regardless, I'm pretty speechless. That's not just BM, it's FUBAR.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 06:12:43
December 01 2010 06:09 GMT
#59
On December 01 2010 15:02 gurrpp wrote:
The funny thing is FireFlash is trying to cover it up. He's edited the player list so tqskulls is no longer there. However, if you look at the log:
Show nested quote +

Nov 30, 00:06 EST XBLFireFlash reported a (2-0) win for TQsKuLLz.964 over Kizu.505.




lol... This is pretty blatant that he messed up and wont respond, most likely, trying to avoid the subject.

I still want to know if TL will let him post tourneys etc ehre anymore after this..

On a seperate note, how do u see the logs? o.O
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 06:13:53
December 01 2010 06:10 GMT
#60
lol you guys are acting like its the end of the world, I'm not saying what brandon did was right. But it sounds like he was just overwhlemd trying to run the tourney and made a couple mistakes. It's easy to forget a player or two when your dealing with 20+ players. You should give him a break, it's not like you paid to enter or anything, he offered you a spot and he got sidetracked and let someoen else play cause it was probably more convenient. This guy does not deserve the death sentence for trying to put on a decent sc2 tourney.....Give him a break, try looking at a situation from more than just your own perspective, he wouldnt have invited you if he didnt want you to play, but obviosuly no shows made the scheduling difficult.

I'd like to see any of the haterz in this thread put on a 500$ sc2 tourney.
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