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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On November 30 2010 08:55 Subversion wrote: lol i've never heard of this guy. how does everyone know his playstyle? streamed tourneys? He's got 2000+ games and most of the people commenting about his play are in top 200. | ||
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
buts props to PiqLiq for getting this much attention, seems like everyone in the top 200 knows his ID so I guess PiqLiq is the winner in all this | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On November 30 2010 08:59 Subversion wrote: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool ret has got quite the banter on him Seriously. That comment needs more love. | ||
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BrickTop
United States37 Posts
When boxer/foxer/etc cheeses you clap and giggle like schoolgirls but when some unknown guy outside of the community does it you hate him? Good job. | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:08 BrickTop wrote: I find it sad how many people here hate Piqliq just because he's not part of the TL community. Because I really think it just boils down to that. He has to be a pretty solid player to be #1, I'm sure there are a lot of other players who mass games and cheese but are not even in the top 100. When boxer/foxer/etc cheeses you clap and giggle like schoolgirls but when some unknown guy outside of the community does it you hate him? Good job. It has nothing to do TL. Look at his match history and you'll see what people are talking about. I still think he has a cool TvP but that's about it. Every time I played vs his toss it was something retarded that was impossible to stop without good scouting(3 gate void ray pylon charge, 4 gate into dts, proxy gates, cannon rushes..). | ||
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InterWill
Sweden117 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:10 superbabosheki wrote: It has nothing to do TL. Look at his match history and you'll see what people are talking about. I still think he has a cool TvP but that's about it. Every time I played vs his toss it was something retarded that was impossible to stop without good scouting(3 gate void ray pylon charge, 4 gate into dts, proxy gates, cannon rushes..). How can it be retarded if he wins? | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
I never used to see him talk a lot but now he seems like he is pretty well mannered (and funny) with Mini. My favorite quote of his came after he lost a marine to probes early game after the marine snuck into the mineral line: Mini: "Brave marine" PiQliQ: "He was searching for Tassadar" PiQliQ is quickly becoming one of my favorite players to watch, period :D | ||
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Demarini
United States151 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:08 BrickTop wrote: I find it sad how many people here hate Piqliq just because he's not part of the TL community. Because I really think it just boils down to that. He has to be a pretty solid player to be #1, I'm sure there are a lot of other players who mass games and cheese but are not even in the top 100. When boxer/foxer/etc cheeses you clap and giggle like schoolgirls but when some unknown guy outside of the community does it you hate him? Good job. I hate posts like this. Until we're at the level to be playing and winning in tournaments with other pro players, we shouldn't be held in that high regard. He can't do it, yet he is "the #1 player in NA" according to the ladder. That's just stupid, and discredits what ladder means even more. Edit- Another thing about the people that say "yeah but you win". That's fine for now, but as the game develops, people will stop losing to this cheese more and more. The people that practiced and focused on just getting better by playing standard, will be better off in the long run, though they might never reach #1 on the ladder. That's why you can't respect something like this. | ||
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cmos543
220 Posts
So as far as being bad mannered from my experience he's actually the opposite. I think the reason that everyone knows who he is is that many of us have played him, and those of us that have lost to him more likely then not have lost to cheese. No one likes to loose to cheese, and you hate people that cheese constantly. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:10 superbabosheki wrote: It has nothing to do TL. Look at his match history and you'll see what people are talking about. I still think he has a cool TvP but that's about it. Every time I played vs his toss it was something retarded that was impossible to stop without good scouting(3 gate void ray pylon charge, 4 gate into dts, proxy gates, cannon rushes..). That sounds pretty awesome I'd love to see some replays of this guy. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
Also, he's pretty well known by now, so top players can expect cheesy/unorthodox/turtle play. Even with knowing that, they often still lose. So props to PiQLiQ. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On November 30 2010 08:57 Mellotron wrote: People didnt say he wasnt solid, they said he was cheesy and bad mannered/disrespectful. "Abusive" play isnt considered respectable to everyone, so it cant be factually called "good". "Play your race to its potential" could mean many different things to many different people, and its obvious that some people dont see potential in his style by the comments in this thread. The "kid" obviously does care, or else he wouldnt be mass gaming. And the reason he is number 1 is because he is playing mass games with strats that are winning him games, not because other players "arent him". Lastly, i highly doubt he is a kid. I dont know why some people think its valid to discredit criticism by claiming its jealousy fueled. How many youtube vids are there of some terrible band that someone commented how terrible it is just to have some 13 year old respond with "ur just mad cuz ur not famous"? Meanwhile, that band is horrible, and marketing sells them rather than actual musical ability. So as you can see, not all criticism is based in jealousy. On the other hand, i dont refute that his results are interesting, and i look forward to seeing more of his replays/results. I actually dont mind abusive playstyles. Sometimes abusive is what they call it before they start calling it standard. Wow dude. First of all you're right, people didn't say he was not solid. My mistake, but it is certainly implied. Next, obviously playing your race to it's potential does mean a myriad of different thing you are correct. I'm not saying he was necessarily playing his race to it's potential but he is abusing it. He doesn't care about what people think of him, is what I was saying. Maybe I need to clarify I bit more, I don't know. But the strategies he is using is generally looked down upon (as evidenced by the amount of people hating? definitely not supporting them) What do you mean people aren't him? Ofc they aren't. What are you blabbering about? Where did you get jealousy from? I'm merely stating that he is number #1 because he doesn't care about what strats he uses and mass games. That's why he's #1 and your not. Take a look at Minigun's style for example. He plays "standard" 80% of the time and he's gotten very far off of mass gaming. Is he #1? No. The difference is PiQLiQ isn't playing "standard" and masses games, he is #1. Geez, I shouldn't have to make myself clear, I thought my sentence was well worded :\ | ||
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InterWill
Sweden117 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:16 Demarini wrote:Another thing about the people that say "yeah but you win". That's fine for now, but as the game develops, people will stop losing to this cheese more and more. The people that practiced and focused on just getting better by playing standard, will be better off in the long run, though they might never reach #1 on the ladder. That's why you can't respect something like this. I don't agree with this at all. You play to win. If people adapt and stop losing to your way of playing you adapt and win or don't and lose. There are no extra points for winning the correct way and complaining that you lost to cheese will not help you. Watch the replay. Learn from your mistakes. Don't be a scrub, just play to win. As long as he keeps winning, the incentive to change strategies and tactics should lie with the people who are losing to him. Asking a winning player to change his game when he's winning, well, why? | ||
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Lalgee
United Kingdom65 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On November 30 2010 06:16 mcleod wrote: Piqliq #1 lol and this is why ladder means nothing he's an ok player , but literally cheeses every single game and when i say "cheeses" i dont mean strong 1 base play, i mean he either goes cannon rush/DT/mass void ray getting to rank 1 with cheesing, you would have to play the same people mutliple times, i don't see why cheesing automatically means his feat is nothing. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
PiQLiQ may cheese in many of his games as P, but hey, its beating everybody, so why not? And they say cheese doesn't work past plat! <3 PiQLiQ | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4501 Posts
On November 30 2010 09:26 InterWill wrote: I don't agree with this at all. You play to win. If people adapt and stop losing to your way of playing you adapt and win or don't and lose. There are no extra points for winning "the correct way" and complaining that you lost to cheese will not help you. Watch the replay. Learn from your mistakes. Don't be a scrub, just play to win. As long as he keeps winning, the incentive to change strategies and tactics should lie with the people who're losing to him. Asking a winning player to change his game when he's winning, well, why? This. He's not playing by the "norm" or what we think is "correct" play, and look how far that has got him. His recent match history is something to be looked at and learned from. You play to win. He wins, how, is irrelevant. He's not being a sheep and following what most people do, he plays his own way and it WORKS. When people wise up to most of the things he does I'm sure he'll change again, because that's the type of player he his, It's very effective. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
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MDew
United States256 Posts
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