EPTTop 200 NA 11.29.2010 - Page 8
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
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johngalt90
United States357 Posts
kind of sucks ladder points have become irrelevant, think blizzard needs to fix the ladder system for diamond at the very least. edit: forgot to quote this: Dunno if anyone else feels the way I do about it but here are the numbers that matter.. Win/Loss Ratio%: LiquidHuk-73.81% EGIdra- 73.46% Select- 72.31% Rootqxc- 71.25% Alot of other top 200 are in the mid 60% range but most in the 50% ehhhhhhh spamming games not impressive | ||
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
As for his playstyle.. as grubby once said: lameing is just another word for playing good. | ||
bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Cheese is awesome food. Cheese is #4 in Top 200. Cheese lets you win vs better players. Cheese is how Boxer got into OSL finals. Cheese is the bane of Gracken. Given the current maps, I'm not surprised people choose to cheese. Can't blame people for trying to win  | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
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Puosu
7111 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:41 psion0011 wrote: I'm surprised there are so many scrubs on a site dedicated to competitive gaming. Making up your own rules and restrictions so you feel better about yourself. Does no one remember playing to win anymore? Old stuff but http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html You're going to have a hard time finding anyone on TL who gives a shit about what Sirlin says after his idiotic comments about SC. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:43 Puosu wrote: You're going to have a hard time finding anyone on TL who gives a shit about what Sirlin says after his idiotic comments about SC. What did he say? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
Say what you want about sirlin, playing to win is absolutely integral to the development of the game. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 30 2010 17:51 Sadistx wrote: People still saying cheese like it's bad. Cheese is awesome food. Cheese is #4 in Top 200. Cheese lets you win vs better players. Cheese is how Boxer got into OSL finals. Cheese is the bane of Gracken. Given the current maps, I'm not surprised people choose to cheese. Can't blame people for trying to win I'm actually lactose intolerant. So with me, its personal. And PiQLiQ is not creative at all. He does the same shit over and over again. If you need a new cheese hero, a neo-tlo of cheese if you will, RuFF is your man. RuFF is just as irritating as PiQLiQ in cheesiness but at least after a game vs him you can go "mmm i never seen that shit before." Not to mention he is capable of expanding. RuFF for governor of Wisconsin! | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:56 Slayer91 wrote: I love cheesers. You need to practice against it, its just as viable as normal strats. I hate how foreigners seem to have a sort of honour code against cheesing. Koreans integrate allins and cheese into their repertoire and many a foreigner got knocked out of GSL because of cheese. (TLO for example) Say what you want about sirlin, playing to win is absolutely integral to the development of the game. people hate on piqliq because he epitomizes everything people hate. the power of cheese, the percieved imbalances, teh volatility of the game. And most importantly doubt in foreigner scene; if we allow people like him take nr1 spots are we already miles behind? | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On November 30 2010 08:25 FataLe wrote: Yeaaa Kowiiiiiii #7! You baller, you. Anyway I've seen PiQLiQ play. He might be cheesy but that does not mean he isn't solid. Kids crazy good. His lategame is fully abusive of Terran which is good. Play your race to it's potential right? Not what other people deem "proper" or "good" play. Kid doesn't care, that's why he's #1 and your not. the fact your a kowi fan, then go onto defend people that do nothing but cheese, does nothing but make me smile. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On November 30 2010 06:17 Whiplash wrote: Rank 136 wooh ^^ moving on up! Go Whiplash! Go vT! | ||
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:56 Sfydjklm wrote: I'm actually lactose intolerant. So with me, its personal. And PiQLiQ is not creative at all. He does the same shit over and over again. If you need a new cheese hero, a neo-tlo of cheese if you will, RuFF is your man. RuFF is just as irritating as PiQLiQ in cheesiness but at least after a game vs him you can go "mmm i never seen that shit before." Not to mention he is capable of expanding. RuFF for governor of Wisconsin! go watch the replay of PiqLiq vs Mini where he goes mass PF I had a pretty negative view PiqLiq but after watching a few replays ive been shown hes actually quite solid and creative. as much as i hate losing to his "cheeses" i gotta give props to where they are due Please dont bring up Ruff, this guy is a joke , hes not even creative , he just all ins with his scvs and cheeses non stop with no follow ups ( atleast from my expierience in TvT ) any game that goes over 5 minutes and he gets dominated | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 01 2010 02:48 mcleod wrote: go watch the replay of PiqLiq vs Mini where he goes mass PF I had a pretty negative view PiqLiq but after watching a few replays ive been shown hes actually quite solid and creative. as much as i hate losing to his "cheeses" i gotta give props to where they are due Please dont bring up Ruff, this guy is a joke , hes not even creative , he just all ins with his scvs and cheeses non stop with no follow ups ( atleast from my expierience in TvT ) any game that goes over 5 minutes and he gets dominated well, its much easier to cheese tvz creatively then it is tvt.  | ||
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Ncinerate
172 Posts
He is nuts though. His style is absolutely padded room quality. Mass PF? Check. 12 ghosts running around sniping things? Check. Nukes and ravens and T1 armies beating mass colossus with sentry backup? Why not! Watching his replays is like watching me toy with a bronze league player. It's like he decides to attempt to win with the wackiest strategy possible and just runs with it. The guy doesn't seem to have a build order, he just goes with the flow. Anyway, he's earned his spot on the ladder. Smacking down high 2k-low 3k diamonds at an above 50% ratio is proof of skill in my book. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On December 01 2010 04:58 oZii wrote: If PiqLiq is a cheeser or terrible or whatever and people disagree. The crazy thing is there are alot of posts in here and none of them are from PiQLiQ where is claiming to be the best in the world or unbeatable. Its everyone not liking him just cause they don't like his tactics. He might not even care about ladder for all we know. If he cheese with no remorse then who says he cares about traditional things dealing with SC like the ladder. Incorrect. White-Ra is known for his cheesy plays but he is MANNER. PiqLiq says shit to you just to piss you off and in addition to his cheesy plays, people dislike him | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 30 2010 06:11 CruelZeratul wrote: 29. EGiNcontroL, new Korean powers? Tyler still not number one btw Why should he be? If I know anything about the way Nony plays it's that he doesn't mass ladder games. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Daniel Negreanu is an enormously successful poker pro (also a very nice guy). However, even though Daniel is top 5 in lifetime tournament winnings, and has a lot of titles, he is nowhere near the top 5 players in the world. In fact, any of the top 100 players in the world would be vastly favored in heads-up against Daniel, and Daniel avoids the big games for that reason. He did have a little open challenge going for awhile, but that didn't end well. The point is, he makes his money from weak players. He knows where his bread is buttered and he stays in the zone, and profits from it. He may not be top 10 in the world, but he is way better at exploiting weak players than those top 10 are. SC2 ladder works the same way, you can be #1 without being better than #2, that's just the way it is. PiQliQ is better than everybody else at laddering, but not necessarily at Starcraft, and there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
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