EPTTop 200 NA 11.29.2010 - Page 9
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:32 frogmelter wrote: Incorrect. White-Ra is known for his cheesy plays but he is MANNER. PiqLiq says shit to you just to piss you off and in addition to his cheesy plays, people dislike him Yea manner or not the posts about PiQLiQ are people bashing him saying how he is terrible not good bad so on and so on. PiQLiQ is not in this thread saying IM AM THE BEST. He just plays the ladder and has a bad attitude. That should be it end of story. Its like 8 Pages devoted to 1 guy when the thread title isn't Does PiQLiQ Suck? It be different if he came in here and trolled people on TL or in this this thread. He is not. There are posts in here talking about his tactics his build orders and his cheesy play without even mentioning his BM. Look at last weeks Top 200 people started getting on Katari because he 4 gates. Its always hate every week on the number 1 player unless its someone from TL or Someone people like. Thats the point I am trying to make everyone always hates on the #1 because they disagree just with there tactics even if they have a good attitude. It is just that he is number 1 and has a bad attitude nothing more nothing less. You can't take those wins away from him and after that many games he is going to probably still play that way no matter what. He probably isnt going to go anywhere at the top of the ladder for a while either. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:00 LuckyFool wrote: Why is there so much talk about PiQliQ lol he just massgames, he's not really that good and I doubt he will win any big tournaments anytime soon. it doesn't prove the ladders bad it doesn't make anything stupid he's just at the top of the ladder right now cuz he's played like 2500 games and won enough. Big whoop. Agreed To many people are so fixated on his position on the ladder like he won GSL being that high. It is just what it is alot of games and won enough thats it. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Top of the US ladder just means you're top of the US ladder. It doesn't mean anything without context of how you're playing. Obviously PiQliQ is a cheeser who has bm, but that's what got him top of the US ladder. Most people posting in this thread are over-analyzing what it means to be in the top 200, but I'm sure any sensible person would say it's NOT a testament to a player's skill. On a happier note... I got nothing. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:58 Cel.erity wrote: All the people hating on PiQliQ, I have a poker analogy (cause poker is all I know, haha). Ok, bear with me here. Daniel Negreanu is an enormously successful poker pro (also a very nice guy). However, even though Daniel is top 5 in lifetime tournament winnings, and has a lot of titles, he is nowhere near the top 5 players in the world. In fact, any of the top 100 players in the world would be vastly favored in heads-up against Daniel, and Daniel avoids the big games for that reason. He did have a little open challenge going for awhile, but that didn't end well. The point is, he makes his money from weak players. He knows where his bread is buttered and he stays in the zone, and profits from it. He may not be top 10 in the world, but he is way better at exploiting weak players than those top 10 are. SC2 ladder works the same way, you can be #1 without being better than #2, that's just the way it is. PiQliQ is better than everybody else at laddering, but not necessarily at Starcraft, and there's nothing wrong with that. He uses a strat that is counter productive because its countered by nothing but scouting and adaption alone. He can't improve and he cant win tourneys because of this. He's a ladder player and thats all he will ever be. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:26 FindingPride wrote: He uses a strat that is counter productive because its countered by nothing but scouting and adaption alone. He can't improve and he cant win tourneys because of this. He's a ladder player and thats all he will ever be. So? That's exactly what I said. He's the best at laddering, not the best at Starcraft, thus he is #1 on the ladder. He reached his goal. Leave him alone. | ||
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Leviwtf
174 Posts
Also, being known as a cheeser/being able to "cheese" is a great advantage as it keeps your opponent honest so they don't shortcut making units in order to expand/macro a little faster. 6 Pools have been effective at the GSL level and that is the most basic cheese in the game imo. You play to your strengths not every's strength is generic macro play, 1 base all ins, cheeses, are very good builds to have for ladder and tournament play. Some might even argue that FE are the macro form of cheese. Note: I am not advocating cheesing, just staying that "all-ins" as I call them have a place in SC2. I also think Win/Loss ratio is a much better way to rank players although there should be a min number of games played, as 65% win with 500 games played is much better than 70% win of 100 games player imo. If you go by this then PiQliQ doesn't seem so great. | ||
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Lupita
United States290 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:58 Cel.erity wrote: All the people hating on PiQliQ, I have a poker analogy (cause poker is all I know, haha). Ok, bear with me here. Daniel Negreanu is an enormously successful poker pro (also a very nice guy). However, even though Daniel is top 5 in lifetime tournament winnings, and has a lot of titles, he is nowhere near the top 5 players in the world. In fact, any of the top 100 players in the world would be vastly favored in heads-up against Daniel, and Daniel avoids the big games for that reason. He did have a little open challenge going for awhile, but that didn't end well. The point is, he makes his money from weak players. He knows where his bread is buttered and he stays in the zone, and profits from it. He may not be top 10 in the world, but he is way better at exploiting weak players than those top 10 are. SC2 ladder works the same way, you can be #1 without being better than #2, that's just the way it is. PiQliQ is better than everybody else at laddering, but not necessarily at Starcraft, and there's nothing wrong with that. that analogy doesnt work. Negreanu=Boxer in SCBW. He was good once but once the game evolved he couldnt hang. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:32 frogmelter wrote: Incorrect. White-Ra is known for his cheesy plays but he is MANNER. PiqLiq says shit to you just to piss you off and in addition to his cheesy plays, people dislike him -_- this guy just compared white-ra's playstyle to piqliq. Ban imo. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:41 Cel.erity wrote: So? That's exactly what I said. He's the best at laddering, not the best at Starcraft, thus he is #1 on the ladder. He reached his goal. Leave him alone. not every response is in disagreement... findingpride described the situation in a straightforward way which some will find more useful than your poker detour | ||
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
On November 30 2010 06:16 mcleod wrote: Piqliq #1 lol and this is why ladder means nothing he's an ok player , but literally cheeses every single game and when i say "cheeses" i dont mean strong 1 base play, i mean he either goes cannon rush/DT/mass void ray You are freaking clueless, he is a terran player and I played him several time, he never cheesed User was banned for this post. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
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Lalgee
United Kingdom65 Posts
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:58 Cel.erity wrote: All the people hating on PiQliQ, I have a poker analogy (cause poker is all I know, haha). Ok, bear with me here. Daniel Negreanu is an enormously successful poker pro (also a very nice guy). However, even though Daniel is top 5 in lifetime tournament winnings, and has a lot of titles, he is nowhere near the top 5 players in the world. In fact, any of the top 100 players in the world would be vastly favored in heads-up against Daniel, and Daniel avoids the big games for that reason. He did have a little open challenge going for awhile, but that didn't end well. The point is, he makes his money from weak players. He knows where his bread is buttered and he stays in the zone, and profits from it. He may not be top 10 in the world, but he is way better at exploiting weak players than those top 10 are. SC2 ladder works the same way, you can be #1 without being better than #2, that's just the way it is. PiQliQ is better than everybody else at laddering, but not necessarily at Starcraft, and there's nothing wrong with that. that analogy doesnt work. Negreanu=Boxer in SCBW. He was good once but once the game evolved he couldnt hang.[/QUOTE] lol Negreanu was never considered a top player at all. Yes in tornaments he was good and TV made him out be a god but he was never considered the best at any form of poker. He also likes it up the bum.... Apparently. | ||
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
It seems like people are hating because PiQliQ experiments with a lot of crazy strategies and *gasp* perfects his various cheese on the ladder. How does that make any sense?? Isn't that what everybody here always advocates? I can't understand how he could've played so few standard games to be so talented in his game vs. TT1. Some players say he only cheeses and my best guess is that they played him while he was practicing various cheese over and over. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On December 01 2010 07:30 Sfydjklm wrote: -_- this guy just compared white-ra's playstyle to piqliq. Ban imo. white ra at least during the beta when i used to watch a lot of his replays was* well known for his cheese (not to be confused with all-in, just catch opponent off gaurd). maybe once or twice in a bo7, but that was enough to freak his opponent out and make his opponent play standard and on their toes. no need for bans in this instance | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On December 05 2010 13:51 skipdog172 wrote: I just watched TT1 get crushed on his stream in a completely standard game by PiQliQ. No major blunders(like a rare game ending mistake that rarely happens) by TT1 that I could clearly see. He made some micro mistakes and PiQliQ didn't. No cheesy gimmics. TT1 just got outplayed. If you're talking about the Lost Temple game - you obviously missed the major blunder. | ||
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